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Shadow5YA · 2011-12-09, 11:44

In before Kuroi CHECKMATE

LeaD36 · 2011-12-09, 12:01

Senseless drama added for higher ratings / more viewers
Btw do you know why the producer isn't on this pic? http://www.hotimg.com/image/YBu4PvG
that's right, he was in the hospital due to an injury and couldn't make it in the for the shoot
i'm kidding, he's dead

Von Himmel · 2011-12-09, 12:20

...Haruka should've understand that things won't stay the same....Well, I kinda understand how she felt, but she should keep up with how things changed and look forward on what kind of future it will hold. Having something different for the future doesn't mean that it will be worse than the past. Heck, it might even be more better than the past

After watching the episode myself, I must say that Haruka...is not really at fault

She's just trying to act strong in her own way even though her shell got broken later in the end. What's to blame is those people in stage management

who the heck opened that hole during recess!?

What I like about this episode are relation BGM, little match BGM and the ending BGM. Nice choice of songs for this episode's atmosphere. Also Mikimiki being awesome as she's always been ;_; It's a good thing that she didn't try to hold back and is trying her best to get the lead role for her honey. Though one might argue that it's cruel of her to do that because Haruka is at that state

I think it's not that she didn't realize (or at least, she understand a bit) about Haruka's circumstances..Its just that she has things that she needs to achieve (in this case, getting the lead role) and she prioritized that first than the other (in this case, caring about Haruka). Maybe she believes that Haruka can overcome it and that's why she can focus on getting the lead role.

....or maybe not. I guess we shall see how it will develop next week.

....also, I think I'll stick with Haruka's avatar for another week

She needs more moral support ;_;

shinku no kage · 2011-12-09, 12:32

W-T-F

Spoiler for episode 23:

LoweGear · 2011-12-09, 12:53

I think chikorita157's post helped clear mine up on the matter on why Haruka's arc is infinitely more depressing than Chihaya's (even though both are excellent):

Spoiler for Arcs:

While I love the Chihaya episode to death *points to sig*, this episode is even more poignant and even more hopeless in tone than any other previous episode was before it, and that was well before the WHAM moment at the end.

Episode 24 is going to hurt isn't it?

DXMichael · 2011-12-09, 12:58

Ahh man, this episode was filled with sorrow from start to finish. It must be hard for Haruka to act happy and keep everyone's spirits up all the time, especially after she gets told bad news that slowly picks away at her. Didn't help that Miki told her they shouldn't work together, which is what all the idols have been doing up until that point. Also, with there show being cancelled which was one of the rare opportunities all of them were actually together, it was quickly becoming more than Haruka could handle. It wasn't nice seeing Haruka sad for me, especially since she's suppose to be the happiest of them all and lifts there spirits.

I sure do hope Miki or anyone else doesn't confront her and blames her for the producers accident next episode, that would suck.

ZhangKhaiEn · 2011-12-09, 13:08

This face.. it's a mixture of sorrow and hatred isn't it?

Spoiler for Miki in ep23 credits:

inisipis · 2011-12-09, 13:18

Haruka have always been the singular source of strength of the group throughout, from their squalid anonymity to the trials and tribulations of fame. Her inexhaustible enthusiasm is something always to be count on whenever troubles arises to rally them on to persevere.
But, as always life must move on and nothing should stay as it is. Being the default persona of us viewer it is through her eyes that we see this somewhat sad event. We get to see that it's only her that seemed conscious of this experience, making it all the more sad.
Now as the players move on to their seprate ways, what does a group cheerleader be when there is no longer a group.

Everyone else are living the life that they dreamed. All seemed to be moving forward. We felt something for Haruka as she clings to such happy moments and feels that she's being left in the dust by rest. Even though she could be more subtle, I don't blame Miki for telling the truth when it's rather obvious and such pleasantries would look spurious. Unfortanately Haruka doesn't have any support like Chihaya does to motivate her to move on and find her own dream, plus the Producer went down the hole, so to speak

We get to see the breaking up of the group and seemingly losing their keys support. Let's see how the team will rally themselves in helping their "lost" teamates in the coming episodes.

LoweGear · 2011-12-09, 13:19

Now for something that isn't depressing...

Azuma Denton · 2011-12-09, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Afterwards...

Irony...
I just posted this image, and then bang, eps 23...
FUUUUUU.....

This is most depressing episode...
Am i really watching Idolm@ster?? Where is my usual "always positive" Haruka??

Chihaya arc is just sad. But this Haruka arc, it is depressing... I dont feel sad, i just feel all my energy drained away...
Poor Haruka... Being left by all her comrades...
Yukiho finally got single debuted... Ryuugu Komachi has #1 single.
Miki is getting new idol award and most likely will get lead role in musical theatre..
While Haruka... Sunday is being cancelled, her dream of friendship is slowly deteriating...

I'll just go to sleep...
Poor Haruka... ;_;

Addition:
The only thing in eps 23 that can make me smile is the "perfect" substitution of Chihaya in Sunday...
Flat as always...

Addition part 2:

blakstealth · 2011-12-09, 15:19

What the fuck is this show doing?!?!?!?!? ;____;

FUCKIN...UUGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

blakstealth · 2011-12-09, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZhangKhaiEn

This face.. it's a mixture of sorrow and hatred isn't it?

Spoiler for Miki in ep23 credits:

Spoiler:

Von Himmel · 2011-12-09, 15:35

Quote:

rony...
I just posted this image, and then bang, eps 23...
FUUUUUU.....

...You used D-mail, didn't you?

Quote:

This face.. it's a mixture of sorrow and hatred isn't it?

You know..seeing that picture makes me certain that she really loves her producer

papermario13689 · 2011-12-09, 16:33

I can't watch that damned falling scene, everything about it so sickening. The piano is tense, the shot over the hole is completely black, and the sound of Producer falling is painful.

One thing I want to ask. Did anyone else notice how some stuff changed as it went from stream-->raw-->subbed? In the streamed version, you could still see the bottom of the hole where the wooden lift was. In the raw, you couldn't see the floor anymore, and in the subbed version, the sound of Producer hitting the floor is less brutal. I think that's what I observed.

Episode 23: The Fall From Grace

com_gwp · 2011-12-09, 16:51

This episode. THIS EPISODE.

BRODUCER!! ;_;

And still, even without that cliffhanger, it was seriously depressing to see haruka like that and watch 765 prod becoming so...fragmented. This was foreshadowed all the way back since episode 5 and the last episode was building on it so we all knew it was coming, yet it more actually more depressing to actually watch it than I thought. ;_;

blakstealth · 2011-12-09, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by papermario13689

I can't watch that damned falling scene, everything about it so sickening. The piano is tense, the shot over the hole is completely black, and the sound of Producer falling is painful.

One thing I want to ask. Did anyone else notice how some stuff changed as it went from stream-->raw-->subbed? In the streamed version, you could still see the bottom of the hole where the wooden lift was. In the raw, you couldn't see the floor anymore, and in the subbed version, the sound of Producer hitting the floor is less brutal. I think that's what I observed.

Episode 23: The Fall From Grace

Streamed version of the original raw? Or is it subbed?

papermario13689 · 2011-12-09, 18:19

I got curious so I watched it streamed first. It wasn't subbed, but as I mentioned, the scene where Haruka hangs over the hole shows the floorboards of the lift, but in the original raw and subbed versions, it's just a black hole.

I hope I'm not going crazy and seeing things, but I'm almost sure I saw it.

blakstealth · 2011-12-09, 18:24

That's weird. Maybe the BD/DVD will show it. It sounded like it was a long fall.

Here's something kinda interesting to see.

Spoiler for Haruka's changes of expression in ep23:

Spoiler for An adorable scan to lighten the mood:

MeisterBabylon · 2011-12-09, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Now for something that isn't depressing...

I'm a Genie for you!

MrTerrorist · 2011-12-09, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Now for something that isn't depressing...

A Girls Generation parody. But.......why is Yayoi call Yaoi?

2011-12-09, 12:01	Link #2142
LeaD36 LeaDfactor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hungary, Budapest Age: 22	Senseless drama added for higher ratings / more viewers Btw do you know why the producer isn't on this pic? http://www.hotimg.com/image/YBu4PvG that's right, he was in the hospital due to an injury and couldn't make it in the for the shoot i'm kidding, he's dead Last edited by LeaD36; 2011-12-09 at 12:16.

2011-12-09, 12:20	Link #2143
Von Himmel 世界を繋ぐ物 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dollars	...Haruka should've understand that things won't stay the same....Well, I kinda understand how she felt, but she should keep up with how things changed and look forward on what kind of future it will hold. Having something different for the future doesn't mean that it will be worse than the past. Heck, it might even be more better than the past After watching the episode myself, I must say that Haruka...is not really at fault She's just trying to act strong in her own way even though her shell got broken later in the end. What's to blame is those people in stage management who the heck opened that hole during recess!? What I like about this episode are relation BGM, little match BGM and the ending BGM. Nice choice of songs for this episode's atmosphere. Also Mikimiki being awesome as she's always been ;_; It's a good thing that she didn't try to hold back and is trying her best to get the lead role for her honey. Though one might argue that it's cruel of her to do that because Haruka is at that state I think it's not that she didn't realize (or at least, she understand a bit) about Haruka's circumstances..Its just that she has things that she needs to achieve (in this case, getting the lead role) and she prioritized that first than the other (in this case, caring about Haruka). Maybe she believes that Haruka can overcome it and that's why she can focus on getting the lead role. ....or maybe not. I guess we shall see how it will develop next week. ....also, I think I'll stick with Haruka's avatar for another week She needs more moral support ;_; __________________ その光りは、単なる一筋の光りではない。人類の希望を繋いだ。

2011-12-09, 12:32	Link #2144
shinku no kage :Yayoi's Onii~chan: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Somewhere	W-T-F Spoiler for episode 23: OK...umm starts from the beginning of the episode OK, so this episode basically focused on Haruka and on how she slowly learns that things cant stay the same way and that everyone cant always be together like they used to be. Everyone at 765Pro are now popular idols with busy, busy schedules, I mean...go back and compare their schedule board with that of the one of the earlier episodes, its actually quite laughable how blank that board used to be. Its obvious that everyone else also wants to make an effort for Haruka but they're all also slightly more mature enough then Haruka and they can focus on their job(s) on hand. Didnt help that Namasuka Sunday is getting canceled either. ...ok, now onto the end of the episode... HOLY SH!T!! Is Producer-!!??? patiently sits by to hear the outcome of Producer Y'know, earlier on the series I probably would have snickered at this event but through the course of the series Producer has earned my respect and I really wouldnt like to see him "go" in this manner. orz __________________

2011-12-09, 12:53	Link #2145
LoweGear Device Meister Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Everywhere and nowhere at once	I think chikorita157's post helped clear mine up on the matter on why Haruka's arc is infinitely more depressing than Chihaya's (even though both are excellent): Spoiler for Arcs: While Chihaya's story was about her dealing with a particularly tragic past, Haruka showed her that she can count on her friends to support her endeavors through the best and worst of times, allowing Chihaya to finally leave behind her past and stand on her own two feet. On the flip side however, Haruka is the kind of person who needs the support of her friends to feel whole, as though being the team's eager cheerleader is her main purpose in life. Her greatest strength is also her greatest weakness unfortunately, and the solution to her problem comes from the very problem itself: her friends, who now have to stand up on their own, can't be there. Unlike Chihaya, Haruka cannot rely on the power of her friends to help her out of this particular rut, because they are drifting further and further apart. And the irony of the entire situation is that said situation arose as a result of the one thing all of the girls desired and the one that Haruka wanted to support all of the girls in: fame and success. Haruka may not be the one who singlehandedly sent the girls into stardom, but she was there to ensure that they kept moving forward no matter what. Hence why she cannot fault the girls on being busy, for it is the fruit of their combined efforts. And that's why she is totally helpless in this regard: There is really nothing else that she can do about the entire situation. Haruka's situation is not another nefarious plot by 961 against whom they can fight as an entire team, but a circumstance arising from their own success. Haruka should be happy for the entire team including herself finally reaching their heights they've only imagined before - we all do. But in the rise to the top, something else is slowly but undoubtedly being lost, and it is unfortunate that said thing is what's keeping Haruka as enthusiastic as she was: the bond between friends. While I love the Chihaya episode to death points to sig, this episode is even more poignant and even more hopeless in tone than any other previous episode was before it, and that was well before the WHAM moment at the end. Episode 24 is going to hurt isn't it? __________________ On Righteousness: "You don't just have the moral high ground, you have moral orbital supremacy being overseen from your headquarters on the armour plated moon. Your moral space fleet patrols the entire fucking solar system."

2011-12-09, 12:58	Link #2146
DXMichael Weeeeeeeee!! Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Anime World Age: 18	Ahh man, this episode was filled with sorrow from start to finish. It must be hard for Haruka to act happy and keep everyone's spirits up all the time, especially after she gets told bad news that slowly picks away at her. Didn't help that Miki told her they shouldn't work together, which is what all the idols have been doing up until that point. Also, with there show being cancelled which was one of the rare opportunities all of them were actually together, it was quickly becoming more than Haruka could handle. It wasn't nice seeing Haruka sad for me, especially since she's suppose to be the happiest of them all and lifts there spirits. I sure do hope Miki or anyone else doesn't confront her and blames her for the producers accident next episode, that would suck. __________________

2011-12-09, 11:44	Link #2141
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	In before Kuroi CHECKMATE

2011-12-09, 13:08	Link #2147
ZhangKhaiEn 張凱恩 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 中国杭州市 Age: 24	This face.. it's a mixture of sorrow and hatred isn't it? Spoiler for Miki in ep23 credits:

2011-12-09, 13:18	Link #2148
inisipis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mandaluyong, Philippines	Haruka have always been the singular source of strength of the group throughout, from their squalid anonymity to the trials and tribulations of fame. Her inexhaustible enthusiasm is something always to be count on whenever troubles arises to rally them on to persevere. But, as always life must move on and nothing should stay as it is. Being the default persona of us viewer it is through her eyes that we see this somewhat sad event. We get to see that it's only her that seemed conscious of this experience, making it all the more sad. Now as the players move on to their seprate ways, what does a group cheerleader be when there is no longer a group. Everyone else are living the life that they dreamed. All seemed to be moving forward. We felt something for Haruka as she clings to such happy moments and feels that she's being left in the dust by rest. Even though she could be more subtle, I don't blame Miki for telling the truth when it's rather obvious and such pleasantries would look spurious. Unfortanately Haruka doesn't have any support like Chihaya does to motivate her to move on and find her own dream, plus the Producer went down the hole, so to speak We get to see the breaking up of the group and seemingly losing their keys support. Let's see how the team will rally themselves in helping their "lost" teamates in the coming episodes. Last edited by inisipis; 2011-12-09 at 13:42.

2011-12-09, 13:19	Link #2149
LoweGear Device Meister Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Everywhere and nowhere at once	Now for something that isn't depressing... __________________ On Righteousness: "You don't just have the moral high ground, you have moral orbital supremacy being overseen from your headquarters on the armour plated moon. Your moral space fleet patrols the entire fucking solar system."

2011-12-09, 15:19	Link #2151
blakstealth µ's Gang or Die Join Date: Jun 2011	What the fuck is this show doing?!?!?!?!? ;____; FUCKIN...UUGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH __________________

2011-12-09, 16:51	Link #2155
com_gwp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	This episode. THIS EPISODE. BRODUCER!! ;_; And still, even without that cliffhanger, it was seriously depressing to see haruka like that and watch 765 prod becoming so...fragmented. This was foreshadowed all the way back since episode 5 and the last episode was building on it so we all knew it was coming, yet it more actually more depressing to actually watch it than I thought. ;_;

2011-12-09, 18:24	Link #2158
blakstealth µ's Gang or Die Join Date: Jun 2011	That's weird. Maybe the BD/DVD will show it. It sounded like it was a long fall. Here's something kinda interesting to see. Spoiler for Haruka's changes of expression in ep23: Spoiler for An adorable scan to lighten the mood: __________________ Last edited by blakstealth; 2011-12-09 at 18:52.