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Old 2011-03-04, 16:51   Link #1021
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Personally, I think we've gotten to the point where it's quite possible that Homura is trying to stop Madoka from becoming an MG because she's tired of having to kill her best friend ala Kyoko. As for why she doesn't explain anything to Madoka, well , how much faith would you put in the words of someone who admits they plan to kill you even if you agree it would be the right thing under the circumstances?
You know she can always skip the part about "I am sick and tired of killing you", it's not like Madoka will ever ask... which is such damn annoying plot-device, but makes for more suspense and speculation. Anyway, overall what you suggest is highly unlikely, considering the first scene, unless they go for another season.

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I don't know about the others, but even Eva has a neat plot device (Rei) that allowed Shinji to ultimately decide over something that seemed unavoidable (instrumentality) in EoE.

I'm actually expecting something like that in this series. Some plot device that would let Madoka choose a different path instead of making a contract. Those locked memories about Homura might be the key to that.
I see... I was referring though to the TV ending, and my point was that both can work storytelling-wise. Madoka does not have to save the world with her choice, actually I will be surprised if she does
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Old 2011-03-04, 16:58   Link #1022
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I see... I was referring though to the TV ending, and my point was that both can work storytelling-wise.
The tv ending doesn't even use narrative-style storytelling so the comparison is pointless.

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Madoka does not have to save the world with her choice, actually I will be surprised if she does
As in Eva, I'm not expecting Madoka to save the world, I'm just expecting her to save herself.
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Old 2011-03-04, 17:48   Link #1023
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It's interesting how by becoming a magical girl, the girls gain special abilities and slowly become corrupted over time, delaying it only with the use of a Grief Seed--but eventually, even with GS, they will corrupt into a Witch.

Spoiler for Dragon Age spoiler:


So, perhaps, without Kyubey's malicious influence, magical girls could exist in a "good" fashion, cooperating as a cohesive unit to ensure the witches are eliminated, and then sacrificing themselves in a grand battle to prevent the corruption from changing them into a witch...

Could be an interesting plotbunny for a fanfic, at least.
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Old 2011-03-04, 17:51   Link #1024
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I'm just curious about this Walpurgis Night. From the subs that I've watched, Kyouko said Walpurgis is an insanely powerful witch and can't be defeated alone by either her or Homura (both are professionals). Since Kyubey said that Madoka has an immense power inside her, is it possible that when Madoka became a witch, she'll become Walpurgis?

Crazy thought: What if Walpurgis is Madoka? I mean, if Homura came from a different timelime and she's a Puella Magi, why not witches (considering they have their own dimensions)? Walpurgis might have come from a different timelime and jumps on the present timelime. This is of course based if what Kyubey said about Madoka having the power to rewrite the laws of the universe is true (but then what about time-manipulator Homura?). Homura came back to the past and tries to save Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi which in turn, Kyubey is sure of, will turn into a powerful witch. No Mahou Shoujo Madoka, no Walpurgis. Though Kyubey won't allow it since he(it?) needs energy that can only be acquired between the transition of Puella Magi to witch. No Walpurgis, no immense energy.

Those are just my crazy thoughts.
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Old 2011-03-04, 20:02   Link #1025
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Homura: "In two weeks, 'Walpurgisnacht' is coming to this town. Once I defeat 'it,' I'll leave
Her words something puzzling my mind. She might mean im gonna destroy my true form and die.
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Old 2011-03-04, 21:46   Link #1026
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Does anyone else think that the face at the end of the ED is something important? Kyuubey's true form or the final demon responsible for all this or something...
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Old 2011-03-04, 22:57   Link #1027
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I'm just curious about this Walpurgis Night. From the subs that I've watched, Kyouko said Walpurgis is an insanely powerful witch and can't be defeated alone by either her or Homura (both are professionals). Since Kyubey said that Madoka has an immense power inside her, is it possible that when Madoka became a witch, she'll become Walpurgis?

Crazy thought: What if Walpurgis is Madoka? I mean, if Homura came from a different timelime and she's a Puella Magi, why not witches (considering they have their own dimensions)? Walpurgis might have come from a different timelime and jumps on the present timelime. This is of course based if what Kyubey said about Madoka having the power to rewrite the laws of the universe is true (but then what about time-manipulator Homura?). Homura came back to the past and tries to save Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi which in turn, Kyubey is sure of, will turn into a powerful witch. No Mahou Shoujo Madoka, no Walpurgis. Though Kyubey won't allow it since he(it?) needs energy that can only be acquired between the transition of Puella Magi to witch. No Walpurgis, no immense energy.

Those are just my crazy thoughts.
Reminds me of the whole BlackBeast thing from BlazBlue. So Homura jumps back in time to prevent Madoka from becoming a Peulla Magi and QB sends Madoka-Witch back in time to stop Homura from doing so? That'd suggest QB can control witches, and so far, it doesn't seem like he could.
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Old 2011-03-05, 00:04   Link #1028
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The tv ending doesn't even use narrative-style storytelling so the comparison is pointless.



As in Eva, I'm not expecting Madoka to save the world, I'm just expecting her to save herself.
Well in Eva, you could argue that the world was Shinji's reality, so by saving himself, he was saving the world...
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Old 2011-03-05, 00:37   Link #1029
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The writer of this show is hiding something big. Walpurgis night (climax?) is coming too fast and there are still too many open episodes left to fill with just two main characters.

If he's a good writer, he's hiding a big surprise somewhere. If not, this could be a long drawn out walk to the end.
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Old 2011-03-05, 03:40   Link #1030
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There's only three episodes left...
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Old 2011-03-05, 04:12   Link #1031
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the more madoka sees before contracting, the longer she will remain a mahou shoujo due to stronger mental strength. If she is already contracted now, and you see her in this current depressed state, it wouldn't be surprising that she transforms right away.

However, that is under the assumption that there's nothing more to come. She still has one last piece of heaven to be destroyed: her family.
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Old 2011-03-05, 04:19   Link #1032
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However, that is under the assumption that there's nothing more to come. She still has one last piece of heaven to be destroyed: her family.
I keep wondering if her family will be pulled into it. It's the one part of her life that has remained untouched throughout the series. Personally, I don't think it's going to be touched. It just doesn't seem like there's enough time to weave that in plus the finale where she finally grows up and goes magical girl on us.

Hopefully her family will be one of the few rays of hope that remain to the end.
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Old 2011-03-05, 04:23   Link #1033
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I was thinking, what if Homura is Kyubey from another time line. In the other time line, Kyubey comes in contact with Madoka and told her that its species does not have the capability to feel emotions and but have created a machine that can harness the power of emotions to prevent the heat death in his universe. Madoka eventually made the decision to become a MG with the wish to give Kyubey emotions. Upon experiencing its emotions like friendship and love with Madoka over time, this Kyubey's body becomes severed from its species link/system. Perhaps becoming a black cat (personifies that it has become the "black sheep" of the family).

After a while, "black kyubey" inevitably sees Madoka slowly turn into a witch. After losing Madoka, it made a decision to try to save Madoka. Because "black kyubey" now has emotions and can use the same machine/contract system. It wishes to become a MG to go back in time to prevent Madoka from making her wish that eventually kills her. Thus, "black kyubey" becomes Homura and received time powers to be able to go back in time.

It would explain why Homura can be so cold and unfeeling. It's because in her previous incarnation as Kyubey, it was how it normally handles the situations. But when Madoka is in trouble such as in Episode 8, Homura almost breaks down emotionally. It supports why Homura seems to know everything about Kyubey in this time line. Perhaps Homura's interference in this time line also caused surprises that did not happen in her own such as Mami dying and Sayaka becoming a MG.

Perhaps the bittersweet ending is for Madoka to make a contract with Homura and wish that the Kyubey race has never gotten in touch with humans or perhaps that the Kyubey race has never existed. This would revive/reset all the other MGs such as Mami, Sayaka, Kyoko because they would have never contracted with Kyubey and eventually died. However, Homura/"black Kyubey" would also never have become Madoka's friend. Essentially Homura would die as soon as Madoka's new wish take place.

Just thought that it is an interesting theory.
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Old 2011-03-05, 04:43   Link #1034
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I think, with a lot of the theories that revolve around wishes, it's important to wonder if QB is actually bound by rules, or if he's simply following them out of his own personal sense of kindness. There's a very big difference, with the primary one being that if it's the latter, he obviously can decide to break his own rules if he feels it threatens his people's existence.

His comments, especially in this last episode, strongly infer (to me at least), that he is just following rules out of kindness to an alien race that is likely so far below him/them, that they may as well be ants (again, from his point of view). At this point, I highly doubt they're actual rules he is forced to follow.

I mean, let's go ahead and accept heat death with a straight face. We're talking about amounts of time so incredibly large, that his people loose absolutely nothing by being kind and patient while adhering to a framework of rules so as to fit their own personal moral code of kindness.

One could even speculate that even if QB doesn't land Madoka, no big deal. It'd be great if he did, as anyone who might take pride in their job might feel at doing a great job, but I'm thinking his adherence to a set of rules is exactly because of the immense time scales involved with heat death. He can afford to be "nice".

I guess I very much doubt QB would grant a wish that meant the end of existence of his people etc, unless it was so cleverly worded he didn't even realize what he was granting. Still, this is just speculation like everything else in this thread. Guess we'll just have to see!
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Old 2011-03-05, 04:53   Link #1035
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either homura or madoka will die at the very end... T_T or they'll be separated once again.. and one of them will utter this

"I'll be waiting for you forever"

LOL. pretty cheesy but bittersweet.XDDD

i predict that my yuri-dar will go off the roof next episode. XD i foresee heavy implications...XDDD
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Old 2011-03-05, 05:39   Link #1036
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Reminds me of the whole BlackBeast thing from BlazBlue. So Homura jumps back in time to prevent Madoka from becoming a Peulla Magi and QB sends Madoka-Witch back in time to stop Homura from doing so? That'd suggest QB can control witches, and so far, it doesn't seem like he could.
It could possibly that it wasn't Kyubey who sends Witch Madoka on another timelime. If you're a powerful witch, you can just jump into another timelime after maybe destroying the world. Like in Mirai Nikki where Yuno have to go to another timeline after winning the game.

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either homura or madoka will die at the very end... T_T or they'll be separated once again.. and one of them will utter this

"I'll be waiting for you forever"

LOL. pretty cheesy but bittersweet.XDDD

i predict that my yuri-dar will go off the roof next episode. XD i foresee heavy implications...XDDD
Or it could be like Higurashi. Homura going back in time again and again. But seriously, if Homura doesn't like Madoka or anyone else to be a Puella Magi, why can't she just say the consequences of being one? Or is it part of the rule of being a Puella Magi to not tell anyone about it until they became one.
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Old 2011-03-05, 06:41   Link #1037
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It could possibly that it wasn't Kyubey who sends Witch Madoka on another timelime. If you're a powerful witch, you can just jump into another timelime after maybe destroying the world. Like in Mirai Nikki where Yuno have to go to another timeline after winning the game.
I thought once Madoka turns into a witch, QB basically 'wins'. So in this scenario, witch Madoka must have been powerful enough to throw off QB's plans?

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Or it could be like Higurashi. Homura going back in time again and again. But seriously, if Homura doesn't like Madoka or anyone else to be a Puella Magi, why can't she just say the consequences of being one? Or is it part of the rule of being a Puella Magi to not tell anyone about it until they became one.
She said she tried telling others about the whole soul gem thing before, but nobody believed her.

Anyways, it seems Homura knows for sure when the Walpurgis Night will occur. If Witch Madoka was chasing Homura through time, it'd be kind of strange if she always travelled back to this Night, whereas Homura could travel much further back and prepare to fight her.
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Old 2011-03-05, 06:46   Link #1038
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The writer of this show is hiding something big. Walpurgis night (climax?) is coming too fast and there are still too many open episodes left to fill with just two main characters.

If he's a good writer, he's hiding a big surprise somewhere. If not, this could be a long drawn out walk to the end.
Next episode might be Homura's back story. That could take the entire episode.
Ep 11 would be W-night (end on plot twist, eg Madoka has always wished for Homura to go back in time to save everyone)
Ep 12 Finale/Post W-night
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Old 2011-03-05, 08:39   Link #1039
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There may be a loophole in the contract system for Homura.

If Homura originally wished to go back in time, then the Kyubey in the current timeline has not technically granted a wish for Homura yet. She could be free to make another wish.
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Old 2011-03-05, 08:54   Link #1040
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But her soul is already in a Soul Gem. What's Kyubei going to do, put it into another Soul Gem?
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