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Old 2012-02-21, 09:32   Link #23181
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Next thing you know we'll begetting prtesters going "IS have feelings too!"
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:34   Link #23182
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...they don't?
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:35   Link #23183
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@ Eras

here's the list

Kirishima Heavy Industry - Japan
General Dynames - USA & Israel
Degtyarev - Russia
Saint Emerald Incorporated - Britain & Norway
Gaia Arms Fabric - Italy & Sweden
Libero Enders - South America
Schwarz Kreuz Gmbh - German
Dunois Corporation - France

@ Demi

Yes, as said before, it's high mobility space pack... but ended up used in cannonball event anyway (not in the race, but in the fight with golems & PT). Inside atmosphere, it was calibrated to compensate for the stability loss. Overall though it's still considered improvement.
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:36   Link #23184
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Question: Is it possible to do a Recursive Recursive Canon?

Is it possible to go beyond the impossible?
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:39   Link #23185
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@ Demi - They have an AI, but I sure as hell hope they don't have feelings. That means these things have free will......and you're using them for shits and giggles on tournaments and fighting.
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:42   Link #23186
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@zero: At what class of destructive power would the wings' offensive capabilities be at? a primary weapon or a anti-missile anti-personnel vulcan class?

@eras: I think it's implied that it's because Byakushiki has free will that it was able to evolve into Setsura so quickly despite being such a young unit. It's possible data from White Knight was involved but mostly it was by Byakushiki's choice.

EDIT: The fact they are also choosy about equalizers also implies sentience/free will.
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:45   Link #23187
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Or the author just wanted to make ichika look badass and shifted it. The fact that he does the shift off screen supports this.
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:48   Link #23188
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Vulcan class to distract enemies and sweeping missile around. It was supposed to be neutered, but due to the bulkiness of ByakuShiki's wings + Silver Bell, there's no place for Ichika to mount light caliber Gatling he usually carry, it was left functional.
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:49   Link #23189
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@eras: so we're giving up on canon and using logic beyond the 4th wall now?

@zero: I see. though it does leave me scratching my head a bit
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:54   Link #23190
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What canon? The one that barely seems to acknowledge itself? "Oh, ichika got into a coma and we got so worried- Hey, is he kissing Houki!? LETS SHOOT HIS HEAD OFF!"
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:55   Link #23191
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My rules on tech: Nerf or NOTHING.

Compared to your concept of Gospel indeed it's like... pathetic

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Oh god not that again, please.
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Old 2012-02-21, 09:57   Link #23192
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ERAS HAS FINALLY AWOKEN!

@zero: The only flaw I see in using the silver bell's wing cannons is that in such a weakened state, it's probably going to need continuous fire to deal with probable agile missiles and enemies. Using it as a distraction will be difficult because I'm sure using continuous fire means giving up on its use as wings+thrusters for an extended time. I think in the battle with gospel, the only time it shoots and flies at the same time at high speed is when it takes half a second to flap and send a few bolts towards the protags' way.

The way I see it... maybe keeping it at full power may actually be a good idea.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:01   Link #23193
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Hold on, I didn't say break canon rules. I'm still following any established canon. I'm just not gonna use wonky canon.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:02   Link #23194
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It's not like it's extremely dull, just less gamebreaker. Also, it's more accurate than before (mostly because less plasma need to be compressed and thus tighter magnetic bottle), therefore instead of random plasma bolt bombardment, we have a continuously firing multi-barrel plasma gun.

This allow Ichika to attack enemy and distract it using the plasma barrage and finally use Yukihira as finishing move when he managed to get into close combat. Remember, it's main function is mobility booster, he still have his main propulsion.

If only that unit is mounted into more balanced unit like Rafael, it'll still retain the full power and still inaccurate, relying on constant barrage and causing collateral damage.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:07   Link #23195
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@eras: Well I'm only sticking to tech canon and world building canon. This establish what rules I can bend so we're on even ground.

@zero: What I meant was that because you need sustained fire that makes the wings a possible liability. Imagining your design where you said that Silver Bell had to take into consideration Byakushiki's wings to install Silver Bell, I thought they'd be in each other's way a bit which leads me to the next point. Silver Bell can't be used as both offensive weapon and thruster at once, if it performs sustained fire then it basically becomes a bulky beam vulcan. If it interferes with Byakushiki's wings, then not only do you lose the mobility granted by the wings during that time, you also lose mobility due to interference to the main propulsion. Well... just saying how I see it. I probably don't have the same image of your Byakushiki as you do.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:07   Link #23196
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@ Senpai - Is kissing someone in their sleep bad? Rin tried to do it
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:10   Link #23197
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Wait... OH SHIT you're right

*Quickly went to concept draft*

And so that's epic fail of me, thank you for the explanation. Ill change it.

@ Eras
Yes, it was rude. Then again, it's more like a self-satisfying prank than anything.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:16   Link #23198
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@zero: no prob... though they really were in each other's way? The biggest issue is also the fact that the barrels are in the wing tips so if you're shooting forward then the wings have to flex forward. Good luck.

I'ma turn in for the night. happy writing guys.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:20   Link #23199
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@ Senpai - Is there a double standard here? Like its fine when girls do it but borderline rape when guys do it.
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Old 2012-02-21, 10:23   Link #23200
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Gonna sleep as well~!

But before that, I'll leave this scene here.

Spoiler for Scene~!:
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