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Old 2012-03-27, 23:15   Link #27481
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Not necessarily, I was talking about that as metaphor such as "But it'll be X, even though Y is Z, doesn't mean X equal Z" etc.
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:17   Link #27482
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Ah, you mean how differently they view things?
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:22   Link #27483
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Yes, that.
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:27   Link #27484
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In your opinion, when does someone go from anti-hero to VP?
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:31   Link #27485
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Errrr.... what?
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:38   Link #27486
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The line bertween Anti-hero and Villain Protagonist is thin. In your opinion, when does someone cross that line?
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:46   Link #27487
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Subjective and relative.

I dunno, maybe Anti-Hero is just that, they're a genuine hero that do heroic things, with a slander of unheroic deeds. In case of Villain Protagonist though, almost everyone agree he is decidedly evil, and the circumstances allow them.

You threw me accelerator as example, I'm not familiar with him, but Leather Pants aside, everyone I asked about described him as decent anti-hero in spite of the arson and murder spree, plain because everyone making his life hell.
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:54   Link #27488
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So it depends on circumstance? Say a person who murders blatantly is a villain in an Idealistic world but an Anti-hero in a crapsack one?
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Old 2012-03-27, 23:56   Link #27489
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Again, depends.

Death Note is a Crapsack World, but the Anti-Hero is L, Light is an obvious Villain no matter what. Rance is a serial rapist, but in his kind of world (rape = depending on circumstances), he is the Anti Hero and our main character.

I'm somewhat confused with my own standard in that line. Ichika was my first Anti Hero so far (Angry, ignorant, and at certain times ruthless), with the others following his template.
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Old 2012-03-28, 00:13   Link #27490
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So what type of Anti-hero s ST Ichika?
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Old 2012-03-28, 00:33   Link #27491
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I guess current Ichika is Type 2 (Happy, ignorant snarker with hidden problem), lapses to Type 3 sometimes (angry pack lead). In the flashback, Ichika is full blown type 3 (Cynical paragon).
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Old 2012-03-28, 00:45   Link #27492
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Image Interface weapon are crippingly overspecialized and immobilize the unit immediately. Fold-Out armor took more energy needed than to summon equalizer, improvement my ass.
1. [Shenlong] and [Silverio Gospel] can both move while using their main weapons.
2. Despite what you said about mobility, image-interface weapons are still the best in IS vs. IS combat.
3. Simply using the Fold-out Armor doesn't eat that much energy, if at all.
4. I assume you got that idea from what Houki said in V6, she simply meant that using [Akatsubaki]'s speed-mode at full power will eat up too much energy without [Kenran Butou]--but only if you use it at full power, notice how she keeps switching modes in V7 and only had to use [Kenran Butou] to replenish the energy of other units...namely Ichika's.
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Old 2012-03-28, 00:49   Link #27493
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Ichika seems more of a type 4 in the backstory. Violence begets violence is the main thing.
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Old 2012-03-28, 00:56   Link #27494
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Maybe that apply, I actually afraid he was being a jerk sue or something.

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Hmm, I reread it and apparently the weakness only appears because Akatsubaki still incomplete.
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Old 2012-03-28, 01:21   Link #27495
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Maybe that apply, I actually afraid he was being a jerk sue or something.

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Hmm, I reread it and apparently the weakness only appears because Akatsubaki still incomplete.
And for that matter, Byakkushiki is too.

Tabane must have a thing for incomplete units...
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Old 2012-03-28, 01:30   Link #27496
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How is he a jerk sue?
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Old 2012-03-28, 01:43   Link #27497
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I mean mistaken for a Jerk sue.

Frankly, Ichika IS Karma Houdini. The four student he wantonly brutalize kicked out of the school, Ichika himself out of mess because the student body protected him.

Granted, Ichika never himself bullying people for the lulz, the weaker student being apathetic/cowardly about their bullying (until Ichika inspires them to take up arms and unite, that is), and the teacher is only short of blind and deaf about the crapsack situation of the school. Guess it's better Tyrannical president than pointless liberal anarchy.

(His action also more or less give a heavy jab to the school staffs, who immediately fix the school's attitude and discipline, unable to close their eyes and plug their ears anymore)

His treatment of Tatenashi in V5 does not help, it's all misunderstanding and their relationship got much better after the fight with Autumn, big time.

I am confused which one is understandable or which is shallow justification, so I'll left it to reader to judge.
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Old 2012-03-28, 01:51   Link #27498
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I've been away for so long, I no longer know what's going on

I'll try to stay up-to-date with this place's fast pace, but won't be posting anything yet...already have plans for next month
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Old 2012-03-28, 01:51   Link #27499
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Jerkass =/= Jerk Sue. It only gets to that point when

1. They NEVER get comeuppance.

2. Everybody is fine with it in-story.

3. Most egregiously, if the canon characterization gets altered so that they're fine with it. For example: A mage who's abusive with his powers and extremely unstable gets a pass from a Knight Templar Mage hunter.
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Old 2012-03-28, 02:00   Link #27500
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Still active at Nanoha forum?

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1. Ichika did, in other form, mostly self torture though, simply because he has no way to fix what broken in the past, especially to the peasant he turned into brutal soldiers. And the fact that every time he walked outside, there's always a good chance he met his old enemies...

2. Charles called him out, Ran and Cecilia is horrified (and Ran is in denial, being a fangirl avatar she is), Rin only approves because she knew the reason (She was the victim he avenged), and Houki's case would be hypocritical. Laura Congratulated him, which of course is a compliment backfire, if not a sarcastic joke... only Madoka is neutral, but that's about it, she's still saddened not knowing about it.

3. Uhh, granted he never go that far
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