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Old 2011-01-25, 18:50   Link #21
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Electric weapons are banned under the rules of the Alaska treaty since it harms the pilot directly and prevents the Absolute Barrier from activating
it's intentional, in case war breaks out. Seraphim is technically a test bed of new and illegal tech built with war in mind. When it goes under the sport-competition thingy, the shocker cables are replaced with kunais.

Anti-BPS? what's that?
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Old 2011-01-26, 12:38   Link #22
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Even so, that's way overkill! After all, the girls are probably only a foot tall relative to the Cores. Just stepping on them would be enough.
War isn't merciful.
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Old 2011-01-26, 17:58   Link #23
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I see... *nods like Houki* So that's how it is...

...WAIT WHAT?!

Guess the Battletech strategy of having a lot of Elementals stick to a mech while sawing (in this case blasting) away will be the solution.


It was supposed to be anti-ADS, I stuttered mispelled. That meant anti-Absolute Defense System.
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Old 2011-01-27, 15:34   Link #24
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Phew, this was a load off my shoulders. It's about time I got all this angst on paper, so I don't have to put up with it anymore. Ah, but I digress. Here, folks, is my proposal for an Infinite Stratos AU. I would most appreciate constructive criticism, but do realize that the suspension of disbelief is required here, despite my best efforts to reproduce some semblance of verisimilitude.

How these changes will affect the core Romantic Love Comedy at the heart of IS is anyone's guess, but should I go to produce a fic, rest assured I would never part with that distinctly Japanese whackiness. ...Even if Ichika should find himself thrown into a real warzone every other weekend or so, and-or finds himself having to fight for his pride in the IS League, lest he be emasculated for life. It'd be like Valkyria Chronicles 2, but with MECHA! ...Har har har!

Ahem. Now, Before you read on, do brace yourselves for a darkly humorous info dump, tons of kudos, and some serious beeswax. You have been forewarned!

Spoiler for Infinite Stratos: For Answer - Foreword:


Spoiler for Infinite Stratos: For Answer - Glossary:
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Old 2011-01-27, 21:32   Link #25
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Very interesting introduction to your series.

Spoiler for Mecha Choice:


Also more on the whole affair of the First Raven.

Spoiler for First Raven, and the rivals for control.:
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Old 2011-01-28, 10:29   Link #27
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Very interesting introduction to your series.

Spoiler for Mecha Choice:


Also more on the whole affair of the First Raven.

Spoiler for First Raven, and the rivals for control.:
Before I say anything else, allow me to apologize in advance for any wounded egos, because lord knows every time I do so, God kills a catgirl.

Now, on the subject of mecha, well, to begin with, I was not trying to hijack the series by bringing in some new super mecha that upsets the entire power balance, considering IS themselves are already ridiculously "OP". IS ARE the NEXTs of the IS universe. Bringing in ACs short of a NEXT would be a total waste of time against an IS; hence, the drive for conventional mecha in IS: For Answer is building things smaller and making 'em more cost effective.

Massive casualties in the 80 to 90th percentile are expected any time an IS is involved in an conventional battle. Conventional forces can be equipped with reversed engineered / derivative energy shields and energy weapons, but these are still much too inferior to genuine IS weaponry / tech to be worth the investment. This is confirmed in canon, by the way.

Another reason energy-based tech is not favored in the mecha is power limitations. Conventional mecha just don't have the same absurd power generation as IS, because they are powered by banks of nanobatteries (to reduce weight and increase internal capacity for other important things) that make their artificial muscle packages work in the first place, plus all of their on-board vectronics and so on. You won't be seeing anyone running around here with a miniature palladium reactor or micro fusion reactor, no sir. Remember the objective is to be cheap and cost effective, because you will most likely die if an IS even looks at you funny.

Hell, short of throwing an Arms Fort at an IS, you are going to lose and bleed hard just about every time. Why? Let me quote a novel reader here...

"also from reading a bit more of the IS novel. the reason for the IS global domination in terms of power is because of this:

Apparently the IS could move faster than ICBMs, pilot can see everything in slow motion(similar to vanquish), they not affected by G-force so no fear of black-out/red-out and a 100% optical camouflage system. So when IS was first unveiled A single IS was able to stop a war by shooting down 2437 missiles, 207 fighter jets , disable/immobilize 5 aircraft carriers and all their naval escorts and vaporized 8 spy satellites that was tracking its movement."

100% Optical Camo, No Fear of Blacking Out / Red Out from G forces, Extrasensory 360 Vision (I'll bring up this reference too, if you like), and they have Bullet Time?

Dude, Normals / Old Gen Armored Cores are a joke. They would need strength in numbers just to take down one IS, which is the equivalent of a NEXT squeezed down to 2+ meters without the nasty after effects of Kojima Radiation.

Hey, I am not knocking on your verse here. I am just telling you that if an AC does show up in IS: For Answer, it will not be a Normal; it would have to be a NEXT, which would pretty much put the living fear of god into IS pilots. The difference in scale, despite making the NEXT a bigger target, also affords the NEXT a totally different magnitude of power and survivability that the present generation of IS just can't match.

Now, what does this all mean in in-universe terms for IS: For Answer? Lots of brutal, bloody, lop-sided battles because a single IS can turn the tide of battle. In fact, your chances of living through the day are all but decided by how many IS each side is fielding, or they are substituting the above IS with an Arms Fort. After a fashion, it's like the good old days when battles were won because X side had this famous Knight / Samurai / General on their side, while Y was S.O.L. because Y Knight / Samurai / General was at another battle.

See?

And that my friend is a lesson in verisimilitude.

Oh, and if you don't mind, allow me to correct you on just one thing: the Electronic Counter Measures fitted on OWLs does not render them invisible. If they looked invisible to you, it's because your AC didn't have night vision capability for the head part when you fought them for the first time in AC: Nexus, where Dual Face appears to kill a couple of 'em very smexily.

Now, what their ECM does do is jam sensors and disrupt fire control systems that have poor ECCM / ECM defense, meaning you can't see 'em on radar and you'll only get a few seconds to take a good shot at 'em before your FCS goes down again and has to system recover. What does this mean for an IS?

Well, those OWLs are dead meat, because the IS pilot can just Aim-Down-Sights and gun them down anyways. Sure, they can't use auto-aim, aim assist, or beyond line-of-sight guided munitions, but I imagine Infrared or Laser guided anti-tank missiles in visual range work just fine - unless the FCS for those get scrambled too. And if you decide to upgrade their ECM to the levels of Full Metal Panic's ECS, I believe that system is still vulnerable to infrared detection.

Melee specialists would have a ball making like Daizengar and "THERE ARE NONE MY SWORD HATH NOT CLEVEATH!" on OWLs. Then again, they'd do the same thing to MTs, PTs, ATs, ACs, and what have you all the same, because they are just that awesome like that, right? BADASS BOAST!

...But I am getting off-topic and nitpicky here. It's your universe, your rules, but me coming from a pragmatic, common sense oriented middle ground here, I just facepalm, man.

You gotta get your technobabble, military jargon, and vice-versa, straight. Otherwise, you just got these big gaping plot holes, and last I checked, we were not in the Naruto / Bleach fandom where that sort of thing is accepted as the norm. I understand, you want ACs to be cool, but let's practical here, you're gonna have to wait until Kojima Technology gets developed before Magi really becomes The Last Raven, probably have him settle down in Anatolia too, where he'll meet the most lovely Fiona Jarnefeldt, and get this - he'll be the first to pilot the true White Glint.

Of course, I am curious as hell how IS tactics and combat arms will have to adjust to combat NEXTs. That Primal Armor, Kojima Radiation, and so on is going to be a serious pain in the you know what. I'd say the norm for taking on a NEXT is that the IS side must have at least a 3:1 advantage, considering they can probably be instant killed by weapons with a high "Primal Armor Attunement" or "Primal Armor Piercing", since IS do not invest in honest to god armor at all.

The reason being, if the weapon in question is powerful enough to pierce the "Godly" energy shield of an IS than any armor to speak of would be utterly worthless.

Me? Well, I'd like to believe some GODLY reactive armor would buy me a few extra seconds against a hail of 30mm Kinetic Energy Penetrators, don't you?
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Old 2011-01-28, 13:20   Link #28
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Most of the convention weapons in IS' universe are mostly slightly more advanced versions (Using US standard, in before military technobabble) of Ticonderoga-class missile cruisers and Nimitz class Carriers with F/22 from local airbases for support.

I can see some plotholes with that, that was actually addressed in another forum. The whole idea is that Magi's enemies rarely have an IS on their side, maybe Phantom Task would help but given their feminist agenda and belief the IS is the only thing they need for world conquest. So at the moment, Magi's AC is "Adequate" by military standards, he can take down MTs without a problem thanks to the OP-I which gives him much more firepower than the average Bipedal AC in battle (Who are usually stuck with missiles or Radar as back units. A good thing when you are facing off against OWLs and other ECM using enemy units). This is why combined arms for MTs are stressed in battle the MT85s provide tanking for the other units. MT07s/MT91s for artillery support.

This goes straight to hell against IS but is often a challenge for Ravens unprepared for their combined arms tactics that some groups will employ to different levels of skill.

And I won't have Magi piloting White Glint (strong believer of only O'Brian can use the NEXT), maybe a modified Global Arament NEXT customized to remind him of his old AC, but that was what he came in with.
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Glad to see you are a reasonable fellow, and I believe there is no glaring faults in your reasoning. Plot wise, though, I am sorry to say, but I think Magi is going to be eating a lot of humble cake around the IS Academy with his observer status, and the fact he is essentially an 8-meter tall guard dog. IS pilots and his kind live in totally separate worlds, not that it means he can't teach 'em a thing or two and the opposite applying to him as well.

On the subject of NEXTs, each to our own, I suppose, in how we choose to honor our dead. But if ain't a White Glint... I am personally more partial to Rayleonard's AALIYAH and Rosenthal's TYPE-HOGIRE and TYPE-LANCEL lines. GA's Sunshines always struck me as clumsy brick houses that I just had to systematically dismember piece by piece. The New Sunshines are a bit better, but still oafish. Sadly, my final AC ultimately relied upon Interior Union's LATONA line of all things; then again, I always was a lightweight / middleweight AC man. Mobility and DPS all the way. Screw armor. If I can't be hit, then I won't be killed, right?

Abu Marsh's White Glint was only good for the novelty. Performance-wise there are still much better NEXTs out and about.
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Glad to see you are a reasonable fellow, and I believe there is no glaring faults in your reasoning. Plot wise, though, I am sorry to say, but I think Magi is going to be eating a lot of humble cake around the IS Academy with his observer status, and the fact he is essentially an 8-meter tall guard dog. IS pilots and his kind live in totally separate worlds, not that it means he can't teach 'em a thing or two and the opposite applying to him as well.

On the subject of NEXTs, each to our own, I suppose, in how we choose to honor our dead. But if ain't a White Glint... I am personally more partial to Rayleonard's AALIYAH and Rosenthal's TYPE-HOGIRE and TYPE-LANCEL lines. GA's Sunshines always struck me as clumsy brick houses that I just had to systematically dismember piece by piece. The New Sunshines are a bit better, but still oafish. Sadly, my final AC ultimately relied upon Interior Union's LATONA line of all things; then again, I always was a lightweight / middleweight AC man. Mobility and DPS all the way. Screw armor. If I can't be hit, then I won't be killed, right?

Abu Marsh's White Glint was only good for the novelty. Performance-wise there are still much better NEXTs out and about.
Of course, that was why I created the Mirage Raven "Empyrean", he acts as a foil to Magi. In AC3's plot, Mirage wanted to manipulate DOVE to their own ends while Crest is bent on maintaining the social order and the same rings true here. Magi doesn't want to change the state of the world to have ACs dominating IS but Empyrean is seeking whatever it takes to make ACs replace IS as the "end all weapons"

I always felt that Global Arament was the Ersatz of Crest, plenty of ballistic weaponry and heavy NEXTs/ACs for combat. While it is nice to be using energy weapons. Sometimes a good old fashioned depleted uranium bazooka shell can hit as hard as a Kurosawa and I have an interest at making "Purebred" ACs, ACs made with only one series of parts

Spoiler for Info On Empyrean, the second AC Raven:
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Even so, that's way overkill! After all, the girls are probably only a foot tall relative to the Cores. Just stepping on them would be enough.
That pilot must be really bad if she gave the AC a chance to step on her. (And I think that the IS'es are quite tough.)

Hmm character creation... It'd be nice if someone could make a male character as the main for their fic.
The fact that he wouldn't be able to put up a fight via power-armor would score some originality.

Oh! Ideas... Coming... Maybe... I'll use this as an excuse to practice my writing skils...
Let me try to work on this.
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so after u have a good set up of these oc? I guess u will be starting a rp on a different site?.


you should have subplots play out. like your own conspiracy happening. where a group takes over the school XD
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Only problem is that why would a male character appear on IS campus if he can't pilot one of those things.

And Phantom Task gives me plenty of reason to pull a dark one on the plot.

As for RPing, I was thinking of running one on Spacebattles, just that no one there seemed to know about IS in the first place...
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Only problem is that why would a male character appear on IS campus if he can't pilot one of those things.

And Phantom Task gives me plenty of reason to pull a dark one on the plot.

As for RPing, I was thinking of running one on Spacebattles, just that no one there seemed to know about IS in the first place...
The reason for why Magi and Empyrean and another Raven (I will reveal him later) is on school grounds is because the whole independant country thing. Similar to the Raven's Nest, it is "Neutral Ground". Meaning the Ravens are unafflitrated with any organization except the IS academy. This any nations who wants them for guns for hire can do so without pissing off another country and allows them as "peacekeepers".

Also, Vertex is bankrolling the Academy, who can say no to a lot of dosh coming their way? They pay 25% of the costs to the Academy, in exchange for Ravens to operate here of course
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I was actually thinking of an engineer character of sort. For more of a slice-of-life type of story.

And I'm no good when it comes to fanfics; it usually turns out to be a side-story of sorts with anything canon related appearing as camoes, easter eggs or references.
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And I'm no good when it comes to fanfics; it usually turns out to be a side-story of sorts with anything canon related appearing as camoes, easter eggs or references.
If that's what you're good at it, I don't see why you shouldn't try. Besides, in a slice of life scenario, it's still possible to explore important themes, such as the social repercussions of IS on the fabric of society. I can imagine this engineer fellow being treated something like a second-class citizen, even though it's his job to help maintain and develop new equipment for IS. Mechanics fix things. Engineers try to improve on things or make brand new stuff, ya know?
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I was actually thinking of an engineer character of sort. For more of a slice-of-life type of story.

And I'm no good when it comes to fanfics; it usually turns out to be a side-story of sorts with anything canon related appearing as camoes, easter eggs or references.
Definitely sounds much better actually. We need vehicles like this. Plus it puts you up for involvement with the darker side of IS, which to date has been somewhat lacking.
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Well, I guess, it's my turn, huh?

Spoiler for Orimura Ichika's Wingman ~ Arrives?!:


Constructive criticism is appreciated as always. In practice, this fella is gonna be a pretty funny combination of, well, just about all the traits you expect in a Whacky?Ace!Buddy-Bro-Mentor. I'm drawing influences in all sorts of places from Kousaka-sempai from Minami-ke to the obvious Galactic Pretty Boy himself of Star Driver fame.

But now that I've shown another number from my hand, I suppose, all there is left to do is follow through with a pilot episode. I kinda wanna do an action / theme heavy prologue first to set the "mood", or should I use that idea as a cool backstory moment, instead?

We'd get an early appearance by Laura Bodewig, y'know? Any takers?
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Well, I guess, it's my turn, huh?

Constructive criticism is appreciated as always. In practice, this fella is gonna be a pretty funny combination of, well, just about all the traits you expect in a Whacky?Ace!Buddy-Bro-Mentor. I'm drawing influences in all sorts of places from Kousaka-sempai from Minami-ke to the obvious Galactic Pretty Boy himself of Star Driver fame.

But now that I've shown another number from my hand, I suppose, all there is left to do is follow through with a pilot episode. I kinda wanna do an action / theme heavy prologue first to set the "mood", or should I use that idea as a cool backstory moment, instead?

We'd get an early appearance by Laura Bodewig, y'know? Any takers?
You are taking a bit off a lot of series, while I stick to one series in particular, your character uses a lot of inspiration from several animes and games. No problem, it gives a bit of a "Jack of Personalities, personification of none.". Pretty cool character though

Magi more grounded in Armored Core's roots, being personification of the corporations that run it for example. He doesn't upset the social order but understands certain things need to be done to maintain Crest's relevance to the world. He knows that the AC advertisement project is a do or die thing. Trying to replace IS as the "End All Weapons" could ruin his relationship with the I.S. Academy and get himself killed. The I.S Academy is also the only safe sanctuary the Lynx and Ravens have, considered neutral territory. They can safely accept missions and not really choose sides in a war. In exchange, he pays "Rent" to the Academy through donations. Which pleases the Japanese government a lot since it is nice to have someone lining their pockets.

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More details on Empyrean's AC: Prophet
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*looks around*

Why am I not Surprised that this thread appeared...

Might as well think out something for my Home Country of the Philippines

One, maybe 2 Personal IS units, one Publicly Owned by the state and the other Privately Owned.

And probably a Mediaman or something.

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