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Old 2011-11-12, 00:06   Link #7381
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@ Zero I'm at school right now, I can't read it yet.

Side note - New draft idea using the lethal chef concept
Use it for Cecilia Daydream rather than new fic...please.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:13   Link #7382
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Use it for Cecilia Daydream rather than new fic...please.
Obviously But it won't be a daydream. Maybe an epilogue chapter for Daydreams?

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Old 2011-11-12, 00:19   Link #7383
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@ Meister - Star Wars: Force Unleashed is a good example of a Sue done right. Twilight is the opposite. Not a twilight hater, but the plot is obviously a wish fulfillment story.
I could HARDLY call Starkiller as a Sue done right, especially if we go by game events where the plot basically RESOLVED and CHANGED for him.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:19   Link #7384
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4. Edward acts like an abuser does in real life; Stalking her and forbidding her from seeing her friends just because.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:21   Link #7385
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EPIC WIN ENSUES!

Wait, is that you?
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:22   Link #7386
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I could HARDLY call Starkiller as a Sue done right, especially if we go by game events where the plot basically RESOLVED and CHANGED for him.
Even in TvTropes, there's an everlasting epic debate about whether there's 'Sue done right' or not.

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Old 2011-11-12, 00:25   Link #7387
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Even in TvTropes, there's an everlasting epic debate about whether there's 'Sue done right' or not.

Edit: Sorry for DP
If you know star wars, Starkiller is the main protagonist that could practically destroy people with force powers, has so much force affinity, Darth Vader goes OOC and takes him in as his apprentice. He goes head to head vs the emperor and SURVIVES to a small degree, but still...He then single handedly starts the Rebellion, logo is based on HIS ship. He also meets Yoda. Now, is that a canon sue or what? Bad thing is that GL actually says this piece of crap is actually canon!
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:27   Link #7388
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If you know star wars, Starkiller is the main protagonist that could practically destroy people with force powers, has so much force affinity, Darth Vader goes OOC and takes him in as his apprentice. He goes head to head vs the emperor and SURVIVES to a small degree, but still...He then single handedly starts the Rebellion, logo is based on HIS ship. He also meets Yoda. Now, is that a canon sue or what? Bad thing is that GL actually says this piece of crap is actually canon!
What. The. Hell.

Definitely Sue on so many levels.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:27   Link #7389
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Wait, is that you?
- He he he he he
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:31   Link #7390
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The simple answer to that, Zero, is no.
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Captain Titus of the Ultramarines is who I'd call Sue Done Right.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:35   Link #7392
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Shouldn't Accelerator be considered as a Sue done right?
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:36   Link #7393
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Captain Titus of the Ultramarines is who I'd call Sue Done Right.
Done right cos it was Imperial Propaganda for the fans to adore Ultramarines... profit ensues!

Random Commissar: "HERESY!"

FUCK YOU!

*BANG!* *BANG!*

Random Commissar: "For...the... Emp-"

*BANG!*

That takes care of it, anyway, Tropes are not bad after all (for publisher at least)

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@Blitz I plan to make a deconstruction of "Another Male I.S. Pilot" with Yoshi, and maybe, Dan (I know, Ridiculous). Here's the starting point, the rest is discussed with Eratas but I want you to comment about it.

I felt myself this is futile and risky but can't kill that damned bunny.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:49   Link #7394
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Done right cos it was Imperial Propaganda for the fans to adore Ultramarines... profit ensues!

Random Commissar: "HERESY!"

FUCK YOU!

*BANG!* *BANG!*

Random Commissar: "For...the... Emp-"

*BANG!*

That takes care of it, anyway, Tropes are not bad after all (for publisher at least)

EDIT:

@Blitz I plan to make a deconstruction of "Another Male I.S. Pilot" with Yoshi, and maybe, Dan (I know, Ridiculous). Here's the starting point, the rest is discussed with Eratas but I want you to comment about it.

I felt myself this is futile and risky but can't kill that damned bunny.
Please, don't include Dan...him piloting an IS makes NO sense whatsoever. make him like a soldier, mechanic w.e like that is fine, but NOT a pilot.
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:51   Link #7395
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Please, don't include Dan...him being an IS makes NO sense whatsoever. make him like a soldier, mechanic w.e like that is fine, but NOT a pilot.
Okay, Dan as... hmm, forget it.

How about Deconstruction with Yoshi then?
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Old 2011-11-12, 00:55   Link #7396
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Okay, Dan as... hmm, forget it.

How about Deconstruction with Yoshi then?
Yoshi makes more sense, because of the planning we made in the discussions from way back when.
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Old 2011-11-12, 01:01   Link #7397
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I'll repeat it again, here's Yoshi from one POV

He's cool, a chick magnet, cheerful and a little laid back, but independent and very courageous. He's a test pilot of various military hardware, and now became the first user of Armor Stratos.

(Yep, if he's not a Stu I'll eat my keyboard)

But from another...

He's an amnesiac soldier who has no family, and feels like his life not worth to spend. A little suicidal in that he doesn't fear sacrificing himself. Often became a volunteer for testing new type of experimental combat unit (which often end in disaster). Body filled by scar because all those accident and spartan training he undergo as soldier. He also pilot an outdated I.S. unit with fake power source...

Uh....I'm not eating my keyboard
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Old 2011-11-12, 01:20   Link #7398
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I'll repeat it again, here's Yoshi from one POV

He's cool, a chick magnet, cheerful and a little laid back, but independent and very courageous. He's a test pilot of various military hardware, and now became the first user of Armor Stratos.

(Yep, if he's not a Stu I'll eat my keyboard)

But from another...

He's an amnesiac soldier who has no family, and feels like his life not worth to spend. A little suicidal in that he doesn't fear sacrificing himself. Often became a volunteer for testing new type of experimental combat unit (which often end in disaster). Body filled by scar because all those accident and spartan training he undergo as soldier. He also pilot an outdated I.S. unit with fake power source...

Uh....I'm not eating my keyboard
Let me modify that a bit....

He is practically like a grown up Ichika. He has a cool and indifferent attitude, he is also aware that he is a chick magnet, he is a little laid back, but independent due to life circumstances and very courageous BECAUSE he pictures himself as a true man, or what a man should be (he had a previous inferior complex about this). He's a test pilot of various military hardware, and now became the first user of Armor Stratos.

History seems ok, but you would need to explain how he went from emo in his history to cheerful and laid back. Unless, you can say that his outgoing personality is just a FRONT to his true character.
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Old 2011-11-12, 01:32   Link #7399
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Being the only survivor and amnesiac, he's practically alone. He then quickly adopted by O'Brien family and was named Joshua, after their deceased boy (who died not too long before).

And as Joshua enjoyed his happy new life, became very cheerful guy he is, and successfully entered US Navy or US Air Force (which one is better and Plot-appropriate?), his adopted parents died.

He basically lost his reason to life.

But not so fast, there's also his friend (and Natasha). There's no way he wanted to make them sad, hence he keeping his cheerful attitude.

And he deliberately volunteer for dangerous project because that way he can keep everyone safe. But since you're a nurse, you must be know that's just shallow justification. Basically, it's his other side of 'suicidal' tendencies.

But universe just didn't allow him to die no matter how horrific the accident is, though not as severe as what made him amnesiac (a plane crash).

Even after became pilot of Hirameki (ShiroKishi with cosmetic change), he's still as suicidal, opted for going Rambo.

He became less and less psychotic as he interact with Orimura family, but even in the end of story, he hasn't fully recover, but WILL, someday in the future. Because he has returned to his family.
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Old 2011-11-12, 01:37   Link #7400
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@ Blitz - Okay, let me re-think that. Commander Shepard is a good sue. This guy is charismatic enough to charm even the most unloyal asshole, almost everyone he meets (alien or not) has feelings of attraction for him, and he's the leader of a resistance who's fighting mecha cthulu's. All at the age of 29. Still badass and epic enough not to cross the line.

Also, Accelerator isn't a sue because he has a time limit on his powers amd his character is genuinely interesting.

Side note - Since it's coming up *replaces IS academy uniforms with sexy samta dresses and put misletoe everywhere* I'm gonna make a christmas fic!
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