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Old 2011-09-09, 23:54   Link #1141
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Well, I'd like to finish the baker thing first,
then maybe an AU where Chifuyu dies.

(Although, I'm not sure that would work.)

I still have some thinking to do.

After reading all the chapters of One Piece from the start.


EDIT: As for which I'm looking forward to, well, I read everyone's secretly.
How about Chifuyu's "soul" (technically "Digital copy of the first user's Personal Identity in form of High-Level Artificial Intelligence") residing on core 001, which then used by Tabane to create ByakuShiki?

Make Ichika stay with Houki all the time so she didn't as fierce as canon version is.
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Old 2011-09-09, 23:59   Link #1142
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Hmm, I was thinking more along the lines of
what happened to Tomoya after Nagisa died.

Anyway, I'll see what works soon enough.
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Old 2011-09-10, 00:08   Link #1143
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Well, I'd like to finish the baker thing first,
then maybe an AU where Chifuyu dies.

(Although, I'm not sure that would work.)

I still have some thinking to do.

After reading all the chapters of One Piece from the start.


EDIT: As for which I'm looking forward to, well, I read everyone's secretly.
Have you checked out IS: Project Silverback?
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Old 2011-09-10, 00:11   Link #1144
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Good luck with the fic writing detective-san.
BTW does anyone here know why OC's seem to be so hated on the infinite stratos fanfic archive? This is probably the archive where I've seen the most hate for OC's in a while
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Old 2011-09-10, 00:14   Link #1145
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Good luck with the fic writing detective-san.
BTW does anyone here know why OC's seem to be so hated on the infinite stratos fanfic archive? This is probably the archive where I've seen the most hate for OC's in a while
Probably because they have this "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" material as they call it. Look here:

Meaning of "Gary Stu" and "Mary Sue".
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Old 2011-09-10, 00:32   Link #1146
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Good luck with the fic writing detective-san.
BTW does anyone here know why OC's seem to be so hated on the infinite stratos fanfic archive? This is probably the archive where I've seen the most hate for OC's in a while
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Probably because they have this "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" material as they call it. Look here:

Meaning of "Gary Stu" and "Mary Sue".
Except for "Heart of the Machine", the OC is ALMOST close to Tatenashi-level of "Mary Sue/ Gary Stu-material" YET came as an interesting and compelling character thanks to Author's writing skill in portraying him as realistically tragic character.

Canon character Sarashiki Tatenashi SKITS in the line and awesomely escaped, simply because she is not Harem material (meanwhile, her inferior sister is), which is an Epic Fail level of achievement in a harem series. She also popular amongst the fans.

Doing an interesting character is easy, doing a interesting character with Sue/Stu-material is a gamble of the highest order for a fanfic author.
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Old 2011-09-10, 00:55   Link #1147
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Yeah, it's easy to create a sue/stu in a series that involves fighting to some extent.
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Old 2011-09-10, 01:10   Link #1148
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Yeah, it's easy to create a sue/stu in a series that involves fighting to some extent.
Great, now I have a feeling that my OCs have that...
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Old 2011-09-10, 01:44   Link #1149
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Umu, there's no need to worry, if you're afraid of that, just balance it out.
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Old 2011-09-10, 01:48   Link #1150
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Need input for Chapter 5, my head is blank AAAAAAGHHHH!!!!

My current idea is pitting Madoka against Cecilia in a demonstration match (both are gunfighters), the reason is Chifuyu too lazy to smackdab Cecilia with lecture, instead demonstrating it with Madoka.

Of course both of them are fired up, as in chapter 4 Ichika interrupted them with his authority

In the novel version, Chifuyu scold her the hell out because Cecilia always do flashy, useless things like carrying her rifle sideways etc.

Despite has almost equal skill (Madoka is slightly inferior actually, but she has decent experience in Kenjutsu while Cecilia has none), 'By the book' Madoka is able to corner Cecil using KuroGane+ (Hi-performance Melee IS, but armed with various guns aside from Improved Katana)

Chifuyu commented that Cecilia is smart enough to find the answer, and Cecilia being proud to admit her mistakes.
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Old 2011-09-10, 02:28   Link #1151
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Umu, there's no need to worry, if you're afraid of that, just balance it out.
And how the hell am I suppose to do that?
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Old 2011-09-10, 02:35   Link #1152
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Haha, it depends on the context of your story,
basically you have to make a tier list and make
sure the characters don't escape their spot without
sufficient development.
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Old 2011-09-10, 02:59   Link #1153
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And how the hell am I suppose to do that?
Balance each character's cool achievement with reason and flaws, a character with too much unexplainable achievement and little to no flaws = Gary Stu, a character with too much flaw = annoying & useless.

For example:

1. Shinji in the original Evangelion is whiny and emo, and always running away from his problem, and too submissive to be true, culminating in the apocalypse in "The end of Evangelion". Fans hate him despite he's the main character.

2. Shinji in the "Rebuild of Evangelion" is less whiny and less emo, and while he thought about running away, he ended up facing his problem, less submissive to the people around him, thus deservedly treated as excellent protagonist by the fans.

3. Shinji in "SRW Alpha 3" is a badass, because other super robot hero in the game sorta slapped him some hotblood virus and always encourage him to held his justice every-time he's being whiny and emo.

4. Shinji in "Shinji & Warhammer 40K" is GODLIKE BADASS, SMART, AND MANIPULATIVE. His name mentioned as if he's a God. But this Shinji ALSO being whiny an emo BECAUSE people did not accept him as normal teenage, and he carries too much burden than he actually could handle, forcing him to constantly improve.

5. SINO (Shinji-in-Name-only) is a gary stu with various achievement and being praised for solving each and every single mistake canon shinji has with little to no reasoning or flaw whatsoever. (plenty of them can be found in fanfiction)

Comparing the five examples, number 2, 3, and 4 is excellent examples because while Shinji is upgraded, it works with the story in context. Yes, even Godlike Shinji is still makes sense. Because Shinji is whiny and emo but doesn't make him annoying because it doesn't interrupt the flow of story, but going with them.

Your OC has good potential NOT to be Gary Stues, just balance it out means you can gave them some realistic flaws and realistic achievement, because a war story is asking for realistic situation.
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Old 2011-09-10, 03:19   Link #1154
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Despite that, I think the first Shinji is still the most realistic one.

Remember:

Good character does not equal likeable character.
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Old 2011-09-10, 03:54   Link #1155
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Despite that, I think the first Shinji is still the most realistic one.

Remember:

Good character does not equal likeable character.
Indeed, because I've been analyzed all of them and get to the same conclusion (I'm in a nursing school and taught a little psychology, both Freudian and Jungian).

Remember, End of Evangelion is Anno's middle finger to Japanese Otaku (at that time, during his breakdown). So, making Shinji annoying is deliberate.
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Old 2011-09-10, 04:05   Link #1156
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Can anybody please help me?
I need to see if my OC's a marty stu but I don't think the litmus test is accurate.
If i post my OC's bio would any of you please read and comment on it to see if i went overboard.
Please post a reply if you are, thank you to anyone in advance
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Old 2011-09-10, 04:33   Link #1157
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Post the bio, we'll see what we can do.
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Old 2011-09-10, 04:54   Link #1158
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Can anybody please help me?
I need to see if my OC's a marty stu but I don't think the litmus test is accurate.
If i post my OC's bio would any of you please read and comment on it to see if i went overboard.
Please post a reply if you are, thank you to anyone in advance
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Post the bio, we'll see what we can do.
Litmus? No, don't use the one based on "Gargoyles" that one is just ridiculously inaccurate despite looks complex. Especially if you use it for anime/ manga/ light novel characters.

Try the one I find, simple, but works for me 85% of the time.

But as Box (Detective-san) said, posting your bios first, using SPOILER tags if you can. How to use it? well

[ SPOILER ] Blahblahblah [ /SPOILER ]

just erase the spaces inside the box (pun unintended).
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Old 2011-09-10, 05:05   Link #1159
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It's too late to save yourself from going to pun-hell now.
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Old 2011-09-10, 06:39   Link #1160
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Alright then here goes. please give your comments and criticisms

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