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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 4 Rating
Perfect 10 48 36.64%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 46 35.11%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 20.61%
7 out of 10 : Good 6 4.58%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 1.53%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.76%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.76%
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Old 2011-01-28, 04:50   Link #81
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I don't if anybody mentioned this but I think what the zombies were making was mustard gas. Can anyone help me with this, the only bottle I could see was "Super wash".

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Old 2011-01-28, 05:17   Link #82
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The way Homura talks about the MGs who have died, you'd think she wished to be young forever.
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Old 2011-01-28, 05:25   Link #83
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How to profit from killing a newbie mahou shoujo if you're a mahou shoujo

i) Show up at a witch
ii) When the newbie is about to kill the witch blast the both of them
iii) Collect grief seed
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Old 2011-01-28, 05:34   Link #84
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Just finished watching the episode. The mood and the pacing is almost perfect for me. And the visuals are great this time around too. Homura and Madoka's little talk was pretty interesting. As for Sayaka, Sayaka's first fight wasn't that much. I'm hoping to see more of Sayaka as a mahou shoujo in the upcoming episodes.

9/10 from me.
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Old 2011-01-28, 05:35   Link #85
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No Sayaka! It's a trap probably.

I don't trust kyuubey, I think even something is going to happen to that boy too, surely the wishes can't be that good the way this is turning out.
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Old 2011-01-28, 06:47   Link #86
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A bit morose, wouldn't you say? Whose to say they'd fight to the death? And we all die sometime. Bringing her back would allow her to live a life with an actual friend and comrade, and perhaps the two of them(or three with Sayaka), working together, could live a long and fulfilling life.

Plus, the limitations of the wish still weren't shown. Thus, one could easily wish that all witches would be gone forever, thus no one would have to fight and die. As long as that idea is holding over the entire show, it means everything else is a farce. The whole plot can be solved in a minute.

I don't mean that it's actually possible, but the idea should be brought up. Otherwise, all we've got is false drama from characters who are too stupid to live.
It's not so much about the limitations, it's more about the price one have to pay for the wish and the possibility that it can go wrong, at least not the in way you guys expect.

Characters are NOT stupid, they have been shown the price they have to pay for their wishes, and episode three have hammered the point by showing Mami's brutal demise. It's only natural to be relunctant.
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Old 2011-01-28, 06:49   Link #87
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First, Homura says, "We all fight for our wish." This supports my speculation that the magical girls have to keep fighting to keep their wishes in force.
That brings me to an idea. Sayako got dumped by Touma, made a huge mistake during a witch fight, Kyoko blasted both the witch and Sayako to death, then that a$$hole found his fingers dying again, got kissed by another witch and walk towards an incoming train~
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Seriously? When I contemplate what a little devil he might be, I find him absolutely terrifying. Wherever there is a person in a desperate situation, some expressionless stuffed animal is there, watching over them, plotting. Sends shivers down my spine.
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Old 2011-01-28, 07:32   Link #88
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Old 2011-01-28, 07:51   Link #89
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Old 2011-01-28, 08:07   Link #90
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all i can say is... I WANT THE NEXT EP!! XDD yeah, i'm that excited.XD
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Old 2011-01-28, 08:22   Link #91
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They couldn't have telegraphed all those death flags any more obvious even if they tried.

If Madoka's correct than I'm sort of correct when I assumed that Mami did intend to have an Obi-Wan sacrifice in order to drill into their heads just how deathly serious this entire business of magic is. Perhaps she had a fatalistic desire to die, but wanted to do so in a way of warning others that whatever they choose, this is the reality they all have to face, so that they can think of their choices carefully unlike her who didn't have one.

In a way she and Homura had the same thing in mind: to show Madoka just how potentially bleak their reality is, but unlike Homura who wants to stop her from becoming one by any means necessary, Mami wants her to have the freedom to choose but knowing the full details of such a reality if she so chooses to enter it. Of course now Sayaka's in the fray, and I'm going to assume that after seeing the decapitating demise of Mami knows full well what may happen to her if she makes even one mistake. It's not my place to question her reason because reasons are as unique and personal as the person who makes them, but I assume she does so with full realization that she can die any time.

At this point besides the setup I see nothing that shows Madoka mirroring Faust in either Marlowe or Goethe's version (I'm not familiar with the even older ones), however based on what we've seen of the new girl, SHE in fact might actually fit the Faust (the worldly and abusive motif anyway).
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Old 2011-01-28, 08:27   Link #92
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MeoTwister5: What I saw in immediate parallel would be in the level of naivety in the scholar of the ivory tower and that 14 years old girl from the outset. Kyoko the amoral as described by Gen is not that of Faust to Goethe's eyes.
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Old 2011-01-28, 08:44   Link #93
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Well we don't exactly know what Kyoko's personality is. If she's the amoral, doomed for hell type, then she's more the Faust of Marlowe's play than Goethe's version.

I do of course agree that Madoka shows the naivete of a cloistered scholar thriving on worldly idealism. Madoka actually doesn't have to fall into immorality to get the parallelism across, as long as she is able to portray one who is nearly lost to the lust of power.

The next question though is who's going ti be Gretchen's parallel. Sayaka?
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Old 2011-01-28, 09:16   Link #94
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All I can say about this episode is...



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Old 2011-01-28, 10:00   Link #95
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My biggest complaint here is that neither girl asked if a wish could bring back the dead. It would seem to be an obvious thing to ask. Granted, they are both depressed, but it has to come up sooner or later. By not addressing it, it becomes a big ole elephant in the room, leaving them an out later to bring back Mami.

The big thing is, we don't know what limits there are on the wish, if any. We clearly know that it can save someone who is dying... but what if you could wish to end the system? Wish for all witches to go back to normal, and/or for witches to never be created nor exist within their world ever again? Wish that there was never a need for someone to become a magical girl?

To me, that's the biggest beef with this series, and it's what throws all this speculation into near pointlessness. As opposed to a series like Mai HiME, the idea that everyone can come back is right there in our faces.
I can forgive the girls for not "thinking outside the box" enough to think of wishing for all the witches to be turned to normal humans, or destroyed, but yeah, not thinking about wishing Mami back from the dead seems really, really absent-minded on their part. In fairness, Sayaka clearly had a different wish that she was already thinking of, so that can excuse her to some degree, but it's disappointing that the idea of wishing Mami back from the dead never so much has crossed Madoka's mind.


So, like yourself, that's my main issue with this episode, Kaijo.

Other than that, I felt it was a pretty good episode, where a lot is revealed and hinted at. A lot of key hints were put out there this episode, that I'll probably delve into a bit more on the spoilers and speculations thread.


One thing I'll mention here, though, is that the magical girl/witch system of this anime reminds me a fair bit of the flame haze/tomogara system of Shakugan no Shana. The two systems seem comparably "dark", and both are potentially very dangerous and lethal, for directly involved combatants as well as any innocent people caught in the crossfire.

Oh, and the bit involving Hitomi and those other humans gone crazy; it reminded me a lot of some of the more notorious cult activities of the past decade or two. You could even say that Hitomi was about to drink the kool-aid.
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Old 2011-01-28, 10:05   Link #96
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Maybe Madoka is being greedy and doesn't want to wish anything because she doesn't want to die like Mami, or she's actually just following Homura's advice.
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Evidence for Kyubey as Evil: The evil music playing when Sayaka's boy realizes he can feel his hand again. Or am I making that up?

I'm pretty sure Homura and Madoka have some sort of connection. Any of the possibilities brought up (Madoka was wished by Homura out of being a Mahou Shoujo, Madoka died as a Mahou Shoujo and was wished to life smartly by Homura (stipulating that Madoka must be brought back in a particular condition), etc.) make sense.

Also: The theory on Madoka eventually becoming a "pure" magical girl not tied to Kyubey... I'm tempted to call that new thing Puella Magi, even if that's just Latin for Mahou Shoujo. Probably just because of the false cognate of Puella and pure.

Why have Puella Magi in the title, if the show's gonna call everyone Mahou Shoujo anyway?
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Old 2011-01-28, 10:18   Link #98
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Maybe Madoka is being greedy and doesn't want to wish anything because she doesn't want to die like Mami, or she's actually just following Homura's advice.
She's not being greedy, she's just scared, which is completely natural considering what she witnessed. She knows that making a wish condemns her to a life of figthing which will almost inevitably end gruesomely for her. In these conditions, I don't know about you, but I'd think twice before wishing someone I barely knew back to life.

I really can't blame Madoka for choosing to stay away for that magical girl business.
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Old 2011-01-28, 10:19   Link #99
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Scenario
I'm a rockstar, you're a musician. We meet at a concert. I bring you along for a world tour. During a concert, i fall and injure my throat. Doctors say that a transplant of your vocal cords would save me. You would instead replace me as being unable to speak for life

Do you do it?

That is the same reason why anyone would balk at wishing for Mami's resurrection
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Old 2011-01-28, 10:27   Link #100
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She's not being greedy, she's just scared, which is completely natural considering what she witnessed. She knows that making a wish condemns her to a life of figthing which will almost inevitably end gruesomely for her. In these conditions, I don't know about you, but I'd think twice before wishing someone I barely knew back to life.

I really can't blame Madoka for choosing to stay away for that magical girl business.
Yea, scared, no greedy.
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