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Old 2011-02-05, 17:37   Link #81
Sei-tan
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-{A} Action - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{C} Science Fiction - Time of Eve Movie

-{D} Mystery/Horror - Durarara!!

-{E} Comedy - Working!!

-{F} Romance - Kimi ni Todoke

-{G} Drama - House of Five Leaves

-{H} Slice of Life - /

-{I} Fanservice - /

-{J} Sports/Game - /

-{K} Storyline - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{L} Visual/Animation - Katanagatari

-{M} Soundtrack - /

-{N} Overall Television Series - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{O} Movie - /

-{P} OVA - Darker than Black: Gaiden

-{Q} Male Character - /

-{R} Female Character - Celty Sturluson (Durarara!!)

-{S} Villain - /

-{T} Worst Character - /
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Old 2011-02-06, 14:30   Link #82
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-{A} Action - Katanagatari

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy - Katanagatari

-{C} Science Fiction - To Aru Kagaku no Railgun

-{D} Mystery/Horror - Occult Academy

-{E} Comedy - Shinryaku! Ika Musume

-{F} Romance - N/A (meh)

-{G} Drama - Angel Beats

-{H} Slice of Life - K-On!!

-{I} Fanservice - N/A (meh)

-{J} Sports/Game - The World God Only Knows

-{K} Storyline - The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{L} Visual/Animation - Katanagatari

-{M} Soundtrack - N/A

-{N} Overall Television Series - Katanagatari

-{O} Movie - The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{P} OVA - N/A

-{Q} Male Character - Yasuri Shichika

-{R} Female Character - Nagato Yuki

-{S} Villain - The Bugged Game

-{T} Worst Character - N/A (seems a shallow category)
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Old 2011-02-06, 16:33   Link #83
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-{A} Action

Katanagatari

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{C} Science Fiction

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{D} Mystery/Horror

Shiki

-{E} Comedy

Baka to Test to Shokanju

-{F} Romance

Kimi ni Todoke

-{G} Drama

Cross Game

-{H} Slice of Life

Cross Game

-{I} Fanservice

Highschool of the Dead

-{J} Sports/Game

Ookiku Furikabutte: Natsu no Taikai-hen

-{K} Storyline

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{L} Visual/Animation

Katanagatari

-{M} Soundtrack

K-On!! Season 2

-{N} Overall Television Series

Cross Game

-{O} Movie

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{P} OVA

Shakugan no Shana S

-{Q} Male Character

Kitamura Kou (Cross Game) This was a surprisingly hard decision for me. Both Kyon and Keima Katsuragi are very interesting male characters, but in the end I had to stick with Kou.

-{R} Female Character

Tsukishima Aoba (Cross Game)

-{S} Villain

Asakara Ryoko (The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya) I have to admit I was tempted to vote for the bugged game though.

-{T} Worst Character

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Old 2011-02-08, 07:07   Link #84
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-{A} Action

Katanagatari

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{C} Science Fiction

To Aru Kagaku no Railgun

-{D} Mystery/Horror

Shiki

-{E} Comedy

Shinryaku! Ika Musume

-{F} Romance

Pass

-{G} Drama

Angel Beats!

-{H} Slice of Life

K-On!!

-{I} Fanservice

Pass

-{J} Sports/Game

Pass

-{K} Storyline

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{L} Visual/Animation

Katanagatari

-{M} Soundtrack

Angel Beats!

-{N} Overall Television Series

Katanagatari

-{O} Movie

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{P} OVA

Shakugan no Shana S

-{Q} Male Character

Kyon (The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya)

-{R} Female Character

Ika Musume (Shinryaku! Ika Musume)

-{S} Villain

Asakura Ryoko

-{T} Worst Character

Pass
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Old 2011-02-10, 09:48   Link #85
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In an epic display of douchebaggery, I will now rip off felix's idea and provide a commentary on my own choices. No one asked for my opinion but I'm going to give it anyway.

{A} Action
Katanagatari

First choice (Darker than Black: Gaiden) didn’t go though. Haven’t seen Brotherhood. The action in Railgun is too standard and the choreography and direction of UBW is poor. That leaves only Katanagatari, which has some very well choreographed and highly emotional action anyway.

{B} Adventure/Fantasy
Katanagatari

Haven’t seen Brotherhood. I honestly don’t consider Angel Beats to be that much of a fantasy and I just didn’t like LOL Heroes. So it’s either Katanagatari or Letter Bee. Both give a great magical/adventurous feel but I’d have to go with Katanagatari simply because I prefer demon swords to letters. The idea of letters having hearts never really got through to me.

{C} Science Fiction
Time of Eve

Haven’t seen Occult Academy. Whilst Summer Wars is by far my favourite anime in this category it doesn’t really explore its Sci-fi elements in the way Time of Eve does. Same for Railgun and Haruhi.

{D} Mystery/Horror
Durarara!!

Haven’t seen Occult Academy. Highschool of the Dead has far too much soft-core porn for me to seriously consider it a horror and it has nothing in the mystery department (except why all the women in that show have such incredible boob physics). Shiki isn’t really that scary but does have a good mystery. However, I’d have to go with Durarara because it has by far the most engaging and complex mystery.

{E} Comedy
Working!

First choice (Angel Beats!) didn’t go through. Haven’t seen Ika Musume nor Gintama nor Baka to Test. That leaves only Arakawa and Working, which is a tough choice. Whilst they both provide such different styles of comedy, they were both great. I guess I’ll have to go with Working since it develops its characters a bit more than Arakawa does.

{F} Romance
Cross Game

Haven’t seen Nodame Cantibile. I dropped Kimi ni Todoke after around 7 episodes and Amagami SS after 4. I didn’t really hate Kimi ni Todoke. It’s just that it was far too girly and flowery for my tastes. Amagami SS, however, was utterly retarded thanks to having such a pathetic male lead that made me appreciate School Days all the more. That leaves only Cross Game (which was my first choice anyway).

{G} Drama
Angel Beats!

Bizarrely my first choice (House of Five Leaves) DID go through. Didn’t expect that. This is a tough category since I’ve seen all the shows and they all have some really good drama. In the end I’m going to go for Angel Beats. Yeah, that’s right Angel Beats. It’s not subtle and it’s incredibly rushed but I loved it anyway. It’s an anime that honestly tells a story about a bunch of nice teenagers that had a crappy unfair life and have to come to terms with it. And I found that touching. It may be the simple fact that I’ve been listening to Iwasawa’s song for the millionth time now. Regardless, my vote goes to Angel Beats and I don’t care what anyone else says.

{H} Slice of Life
Cross Game

Haven’t seen Soredemo nor K-On!! And to be honest I consider Working and Kuragehime to be more comedy than slice of life. That leaves only Cross Game (It was my first choice anyway, but it’s a shame Tamayura didn’t go through). I’m also wondering if we should combine the Slice of Life and Drama categories for next year.

{I} Fanservice
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I’m the one that had to count the nominations for this pathetic excuse of a category and do you want to know what the most depressing thing was? The fact that this was one of the categories that had the most anime nominated. I hate you all. And I can’t believe some people nominated Railgun. What did Railgun do to deserve that?

{J} Sports/Game
Cross Game

The only other anime I’ve seen in this category is TWOGK, which simply doesn’t compare to the quality of Cross Game. Whilst I do think that show counts and can be in this category, there has clearly been some confusion of what counts and what doesn’t. I’m going to offer the suggestion that this category be renamed to “Sports/Games/Hobbies”. This means shows like Bungaku Shoujo, Tamayura and K-On (don’t give me that look) could count in the future. It would also give this category a lot more competition, since there was only something like 8 different anime nominated.

{K} Storyline
Tatami Galaxy

First choice (Katanagatari) didn’t go through. Haven’t seen Brotherhood. This is a bit of tough one aswell. All three have very strong storylines but I’d say Tatami Galaxy tops them all. I’d actually consider Tatami Galaxy to be a slightly better version of The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

{L} Visual/Animation
Katanagatari

Haven’t seen Brotherhood. I’m not good enough to be able to tell what’s got good animation and I only have a general idea of what’s bad animation but that’s not good enough for this. Therefore, I can only base this decision on which anime has the best art in my opinion and I’d have to say Katanagatari by a wide mile.

{M} Soundtrack
Yosuga no Sora

Haven’t seen Garterbelt nor K-On. I’m still obsessed with Iwasawa’s ballad from Angel Beats but that’s the only song that got my attention out of that anime. Shiki had a decent soundtrack but I didn’t think it was truly exceptional. Yosuga no Sora, I think has a much better soundtrack.

{N} Overall Television Series
Katanagatari

Haven’t seen Brotherhood. Shiki was good but I didn’t think it was brilliant. I didn’t think it had a good start, taking so long to actually get somewhere, and I didn’t like the finale all that much either. So it’s either Cross Game or Katanagatari - two terrific anime. In the end, I’m going to have to give my vote to Katanagatari.

{O} Movie
Summer Wars

Haven’t seen Nanoha. I’ve read the visual novel and I know that UBW is a piss poor adaptation that cuts out 90% of the depth it had so fuck you, Studio Deen. It’s either Haruhi or Summer Wars. I admit, although I definitely love Summer Wars more, I’m not sure whether I should vote for Summer Wars considering it had a chance last year thanks to the loophole. Then again looking at the last year’s results, it only managed to get nominated for one category (this very same one incidentally) and only came second place, losing out to Kara no Kyoukai by a wide margin. Unfortunately it looks like this year it will be overshadowed by Haruhi.

{P} OVA
Darker than Black: Gaiden

Haven’t seen Shana S. God damn it, I wanted Kurenai to be on here. I thought Tamayura and Black Rock Shooter were nice and sweet but it’s clear to me that Darker than Black is in a completely different league. No contest really.

{Q} Male Character
Yasuri Shichika

Heh, this was the category that had a three way tie for fourth place. Very difficult choice here. Except for Keima, they’re all great characters (Not that Keima isn't good) but I’d say the absolute best are Shichika and Kuranosuke. I think Shichika is just slightly better.

{R} Female Character
Celty Sturluson

Haven’t seen Ika Musume. My first choice (Saten Ruiko) didn’t get through but annoyingly, Misaka did. I still don’t see what’s so great about her. It’s Aoba, Celty or Nagato, but I’d have to give my vote to Celty. It’s not every day you can vote for a headless Irish Grim Reaper that’s afraid of aliens and traffic police.

{S} Villain
Orihara Izaya

Lol, the Bugged Game. I have to admit, it’s a tempting offer but I want to be serious. Haven’t seen Brotherhood. I have no idea why Tatsumi would be nominated rather than Sunako but there you go. The scene where Ryouko stabs Kyon? Some people found it scary. I, on the other hand, couldn’t stop laughing. It was just so perfect. It could only happen to you, Kyon. But lets face it, Ryouko doesn’t compare to the King of Trolls – Orihara Izaya. First character I’ve seen that performs his villainy by pretending to be a girl on the internet.

{T} Worst Character
-

There’s a lot of debate about this category, and I’ve noticed quite a lot of members here not voting anyone so I’m wondering if it should be scrapped altogether, next year. There still seems to be some ambiguity of what qualifies as ‘worst character’. Is it a character that you hate that’s supposed to be hated and despised? I’d say that’s one of the criteria for judging Best Villain. So I can’t help but interpret it as a category where you vote for characters you think are poorly portrayed. I guess that’s why so many people don’t want to vote for it. They might believe these Choice Awards should be an opportunity to hail shows they like rather than hate on shows they don’t. My first choice (Tachibana from Amagami SS) didn’t go through. In fact, none of my nominations went through. Haven’t seen Iron Man but wow there sure are a lot of Kirino haters. Can’t say I hate her really and I don’t think she’s all that poorly portrayed. Well I think she is somewhat poorly portrayed thanks to the shows lack of direction but I don’t think it’s enough for me to vote for her. The others, I think ought to be in the Villain category, unless I’m wrong about why they were nominated.
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Old 2011-02-11, 07:31   Link #86
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-{A} Action: Fate/Stay Night

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy: Legend of the Legendary Heroes

-{C} Science Fiction: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{D} Mystery/Horror: Shiki

-{E} Comedy: Gintama

-{F} Romance: Cross Game

-{G} Drama: Angel Beats!

-{H} Slice of Life: Cross Game

-{I} Fanservice: Ichiban Ushiro no Dai Mao

-{J} Sports/Game: Cross Game

-{K} Storyline: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{L} Visual/Animation: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{M} Soundtrack: Angel Beats!

-{N} Overall Television Series: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{O} Movie: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{P} OVA: -

-{Q} Male Character: Kitamura Kou (Cross Game)

-{R} Female Character: Yuki Nagato (The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya)

-{S} Villain: King Bradley (Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood)

-{T} Worst Character: -
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Old 2011-02-11, 09:26   Link #87
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{A} Action: Fate/Staynight Unlimited Blade Works

{B} Adventure/Fantasy: Angel Beats!

{C} Science Fiction: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

{D} Mystery/Horror: Durarara!

{E} Comedy: Baka to Test to Shokanju

{F} Romance: Amagami SS

{G} Drama: Yosuga no Sora

{H} Slice of Life: Working!!

{I} Fanservice: Yosuga no Sora

{J} Sports/Game: The World God Only Knows

{K} Storyline: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

{L} Visual/Animation: Summer Wars

{M} Soundtrack: Angel Beats!

{N} Overall Television Series: n/a

{O} Movie: Summer Wars

{P} OVA: Shakugan no Shana S

{Q} Male Character: Heiwajima Shizuo

{R} Female Character: Celty Sturluson

{S} Villain: The Bugged Game Orihara Izaya

{T} Worst Character: n/a
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Old 2011-02-12, 02:38   Link #88
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-{A} Action N/A
-{B} Adventure/Fantasy Legend of the Legendary Heroes
-{C} Science Fiction Occult Academy
-{D} Mystery/Horror Shiki
-{E} Comedy Shinryaku! Ika Musume
-{F} Romance Kimi Ni Todoke
-{G} Drama Angel Beats!
-{H} Slice of Life Soredemo Machi Wa Mawatteiru
-{I} Fanservice Yosuga No Sora
-{J} Sports/Game The World Only God Knows
-{K} Storyline N/A
-{L} Visual/Animation Summer Wars
-{M} Soundtrack Shiki
-{N} Overall Television Series Shiki
-{O} Movie Summer Wars
-{P} OVA N/A
-{Q} Male Character Koibuchi Kuranosuke
-{R} Female Character Ika Musume
-{S} Villain The Bugged Game
-{T} Worst Character Tony Stark
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Old 2011-02-13, 09:12   Link #89
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Right then:

-{A} Action: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy: Katanagatari
Somewhat tempted to vote for Letter Bee, but I'd rather go with my first choice here.

-{C} Science Fiction: Time of Eve Movie

-{D} Mystery/Horror: Durarara!!
Not quite mysterious, not exactly horrifying but then again it's the best show I'd seen from these choices

-{E} Comedy: Gintama
I changed my vote from Ika Musume because having rewatched that show, it's not really a comedy. It's still a good show yes, but comedic it ain't, or at least for the most memorable moments.

-{F} Romance: Cross Game

-{G} Drama: House of Five Leaves

-{H} Slice of Life: Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru
Certain nominations in this category make my head hurt ... anyway, going with my third pick

-{I} Fanservice: Ichiban Ushiro no Dai Mao

-{J} Sports/Game: Cross Game
@ TWGOK

-{K} Storyline: Tatami Galaxy

-{L} Visual/Animation: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{M} Soundtrack: Yosuga no Sora

-{N} Overall Television Series: Cross Game

-{O} Movie: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{P} OVA: Darker than Black: Gaiden

-{Q} Male Character: Kitamura Kou (Cross Game)

-{R} Female Character: Celty Sturluson (Durarara!!)

-{S} Villain: The Bugged Game (The World God Only Knows)
I actually wrote this as sort of a joke, didn't think people would've actually voted for it rofl

-{T} Worst Characte: Tony Stark (Iron Man)
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I’m the one that had to count the nominations for this pathetic excuse of a category and do you want to know what the most depressing thing was? The fact that this was one of the categories that had the most anime nominated. I hate you all. And I can’t believe some people nominated Railgun. What did Railgun do to deserve that?

-snip-

I’m going to offer the suggestion that this category be renamed to “Sports/Games/Hobbies”. This means shows like Bungaku Shoujo, Tamayura and K-On (don’t give me that look) could count in the future. It would also give this category a lot more competition, since there was only something like 8 different anime nominated.
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Old 2011-02-13, 10:10   Link #90
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Sports/Games/Hobbies sounds good. I'd also suggest having everything more organized and logical. For example, what are the elements of any anime? characters, plot, setting, animation, sound. Now, what are the types of characters in anime? protagonist, antagonist/opponent/rival/mastermind, supporting. What are the types of plot? action/adventure, comedy, romance/slice of life/drama, mystery/horror, sports/games/hobbies. What are the themes for settings in anime? fantasy, contemporary/modern, sci-fi, historical, echii, mecha. You also have a few other things such as character backstory. What are the types of animation? Tv, OVA, Movie by category, and also style. Sound in anime? soundtrack, voice actor (by character), opening, ending.

tl;dr So you have:
  1. Characters
    1. Best Protagonist
    2. Best Antagonist / Opponent / Rival / Mastermind
    3. Best Supporting Character
  2. Plot
    1. Best Action / Adventure
    2. Best Comedy
    3. Best Romance / Slice of Life / Drama
    4. Best Mystery / Horror
    5. Best Sports / Games / Hobbies Anime
  3. Setting
    1. Best Fantasy
    2. Best Contemporary / Modern Anime
    3. Best Sci-Fi
    4. Best Historical
    5. Best Echii Theme
    6. Best Mecha
    7. Best Character Backstory
  4. Animation
    1. Best Animation Style
    2. Best Tv Animation
    3. Best OVA Animation
    4. Best Movie Animation
  5. Sound
    1. Best Soundtrack
    2. Best Voice Actor (by character)
    3. Best Opening Song
    4. Best Ending Song

Also, getting the basics sorted, means we can then determine other categories from them, with out requiring actually having the category explicitly in the nomination phase:
  • Tv Anime of the Year = A, B, C, D.2/D.1, E
  • Ova of the Year = A, B, C, D.3/D.1, E
  • Movie of the Year = A, B, C, D.4/D.1, E
  • Best Story = B, C
  • Character of The Year = A, C.7, D.1, E
  • Best World = C, D
  • Best Female Lead = best females in A.1, A.2
  • Best Male Lead = best males in A.1, A.2
  • Best Fanservice Anime = C.5, D
etc.
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Old 2011-02-13, 10:38   Link #91
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-{A} Action : Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood


-{B} Adventure/Fantasy : Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{C} Science Fiction : Summer Wars

-{D} Mystery/Horror : Shiki

-{E} Comedy : Shinryaku! Ika Musume

-{F} Romance : Cross Game

-{G} Drama : Cross Game

-{H} Slice of Life : Cross Game

-{I} Fanservice : Highschool of the Dead

-{J} Sports/Game : Cross Game

-{K} Storyline : Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{L} Visual/Animation : The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{M} Soundtrack : Panty, Stocking & Garterbelt

-{N} Overall Television Series ; Cross Game

-{O} Movie : Summer Wars

-{P} OVA: Black Rock Shooter

-{Q} Male Character : Kitamura Kou (Cross Game)

-{R} Female Character : Tsukishima Aoba (Cross Game)

-{S} Villain :The Bugged Game (The World Only God Knows)

-{T} Worst Character : Kirino Kousaka (Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai )
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Old 2011-02-13, 11:46   Link #92
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@ felix - That's certainly a radical change. It's probably best to discuss all of this after the results. I just want to mention that I actually changed my opinion on best setting a long time ago. Having thought about it I think the Choice Awards will be fine without it.
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Old 2011-02-13, 12:49   Link #93
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-{A} Action: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

-{C} Science Fiction: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun

-{D} Mystery/Horror: Durarara!!

-{E} Comedy: Working!!

-{F} Romance: Cross Game

-{G} Drama: Cross Game

-{H} Slice of Life: Cross Game

-{I} Fanservice: Highschool of the Dead

-{J} Sports/Game: Cross Game

-{K} Storyline: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{L} Visual/Animation: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{M} Soundtrack: K-On!! Season 2

-{N} Overall Television Series: Cross Game

-{O} Movie: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

-{P} OVA: Black Rock Shooter

-{Q} Male Character: Kitamura Kou (Cross Game)

-{R} Female Character: Misaka Mikoto (To Aru Kagaku no Railgun)

-{S} Villain: Orihara Izaya (Durarara!!)

-{T} Worst Character: Kirino Kousaka (Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai )
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Old 2011-02-13, 12:57   Link #94
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I'm enjoying the trend on this last day of voting...
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Old 2011-02-13, 17:06   Link #95
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Spoiler for Felix Quote- Spoilered for space reasons:


I think it would be better to keep the current format, but clean up the categories and organize them more reasonably, my comments are in italics:


Shows Divided By Genres:

-{A} Action/Adventure (Why Adventure got put with Fantasy I don't know. It's always Action/Adventure - not Adventure/Fantasy).

-{B} Fantasy

-{C} Science Fiction

-{D} Mystery/Horror/Suspense - Suspense is what connects Horror and Mystery together, really I think Mystery should be it's own genre, but we don't have enough entries, so I guess it has to stay combined.

-{E} Romance

-{F} Comedy

-{G} Tragedy We got to have Tragedy as a category.

-{?} Drama - This category needs some major thinking about. Traditionally drama meant both comedy and tragedy. Then it came to mean a show that was neither a comedy nor a tragedy- and sometimes excludes epics as well. Still others use it to mean a show that has synthesizes comedy and tragedy into a cohesive whole story (think Clannad or Fiddler on The Roof). So what do we mean by "drama"?

Personally, I think that if we add Tragedy and Epics as categories, then we don't have to have Drama as a category. Although I suppose if we limited it to "drama about the individual human condition" (as opposed to epics about the human condition in general) it might be a semi-useful category.

-{H} Epics (traditional definition) FMA would be an epic. Cross Game would not. For that matter Railgun probably isn't, although Index probably is (or is intended to be). Considering that the epic is a major aspect of anime dating back to at least Space Battleship Yamato I think it needs to be a category.

-{I} Sports/Game/Clubs/Hobbies Truthfully Sports ought to be one category, and the other three a category- but not enough Sports shows to really have a competitive nomination, so I guess they are stuck together.

-{J} Slice of Life

Show Elements:

-{K} Best Original Story (Anime Original only, no adaptation)

-{L} Best Adaptation (Adaptation to anime of a previous work in another medium)

On the two above categories I'd like to say that it really is silly for us to give an award for best anime story when the story really came from the manga or light novel. We should award the best adaptation, not whichever had the best story. The question arises, where do we put anime original endings? I say they ought to go under adaptation.

-{M} Best Overall Visual/Animation Quality

-{N} Best Fight/Action Animation

-{O} Most Effective Animation Style Animation where the style, rather then the technical quality, was what made the animation stand out as interesting, intriguing, and effective at telling the story. Yes, yes, Shaft being Shaft will always be strong contenders in this category, but there are other anime that have used interesting animation styles. This would be a very interesting category to have.

-{P} Best Setting Design (ie the backgrounds)

-{Q} Best Character Design (for the series overall)

-{R} Best Soundtrack (Not including any OP or ED)

-{S} Best OP or ED (Must nominate the specific OP or ED along with identifying the show it comes from)

Best Characters:

-{T} Male Lead This should be pretty strict. (Ed and Al are dual main leads in FMA, but Soul Eater doesn't actually have a male lead- despite it's name.)

-{U} Female Lead This should be pretty strict. (Index would be the female lead for A Certain Magical Index, and Mikoto the lead for A Certain Scientific Railgun. Nagi is the main female lead in Hayate, not Hinagiku).

-{V} Best Villain Can also be the lead if we have a villain protagonist.

-{W} Male Supporting Role Can be villian, sidekick, or bystander.

-{X} Female Supporting Role Can be villian, sidekick, or bystander.

-{Y} Best Character Design (For a specific character)


The Overall Best categories:


-{AA} Best Television Series

-{BB} Best Movie

-{CC} Best OVA

-{DD} Best Short Do we have enough shorts out there for this category? Maybe have it be Shorts and Omakes?


First thing you'll notice is that I greatly expanded the "Show Elements" section. Isn't that really where we should be spending more time in these awards? I even considered a Best Direction award, except I'm not sure we could pick that out. I did add categories for the different parts of animation- since I would think anime awards might want to spend significant time on animation.

I also dropped Fanservice as a genre altogether. I don't really care about it, and many fans feel it is demeaning to be labeled as "Fanservice genre". If we absolutely have to have a Fanservice category I suggest we make it a "Show Element" rather then a Genre. Since Fanservice can really show up in just about any Genre.

Of course, the increase in categories would mean a lot of work for counting. I think it puts hand counting out of business, but since I think we already decided we don't want to do hand counting again next year I think that's fine.

Either a special page with the format built in so people can make their nominations with out having to format a post. Or we just create a really strict format based around using a specific script to count it, and be very upfront that if the format is not used correctly the vote will be spoiled and not counted.
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Old 2011-02-13, 18:24   Link #96
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My view on @Sackett's suggestion. I'm going to with a systematic approach since a debate is too negative in nature and doesn't accomplish much (particularly when it lacks a easy to grasp goal).

Support
  • agree on Action/Adventure category, and not Adventure/Fantasy
  • Best Original Story
  • Best Adaptation
  • agree on Best Character Design but should be merged with other similar categories
  • Best Soundtrack
  • Best OP or ED (yeah combining sounds like a good idea)
Neutral
  • not sure about Fantasy as a category. Why is fantasy a genre but sci-fi isn't? or historical? or some other theme, like say Etchii/Harem, or Mahou Shojo.
  • Slice of Life as a single category. I'm somewhat against this. My (perhaps biased) opinion is that slice of life is just a very tamed passive drama. I mean you might get romance, sadness and everything, even small tragedies, right? just like a drama.
  • Best Overall Visual/Animation Quality Can't put my finger on it, but somehow I have mix feeling on this. I feel combining visual and animation is like poetry and prose; they only look the same. My gut instinct tells me people will only think of one of the two possible interpretations and not the sum of both.
  • Most Effective Animation Style, this is too ambiguous. I see where you're going but it's all very fuzzy; needs rewording.
Semi-against
  • Drama as a single category doesn't sound too good. I say we use the most generic: Drama / Tragedy / Romance, since they are all the same thing and mostly differ in just how they play out: success, fail, niceboat
  • I'm against the idea of sports as a separate category; it will just cause duplication. TCG have tournaments and are word renowned, so are they a sport?
  • Best Fight/Action Animation, I feel this is too nit picky overall
  • Best Setting Design, again feels like we're pulling out somewhat insignificant details, or catering for a certain type of show that comes every 5 years.
Against
  • Tragedy as a (standalone) category is just plain spoiler. Should be with drama.
  • Epics as a category. I, for one, don't trust people to vote properly. I also feel this is too ambigous and small for a category. It's a yearly contest, this would seem to require series of at least 52 episodes. FMA as epic? debatable. Personally I'd say series like Naruto that explore every nook and cranny are the only ones that even come close, but I would only give DBZ the title, since as far as I know for a prose to be a Epic it needs to cover some generations.
  • Best Character Design (for specific character), this is animation related and you mention one category already
  • Best Direction, it's hard to measure and purely subjective

If I didn't mention something, it's because I don't have a option on it (at this time).

Also I really think having awards in categories like in my first post is the more flexible system; since you won't have ugly stuff like {AA} or {BB}.

Question: what's the difference between "setting" and this "show elements"?
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Thanks for the response felix. I don't mind some discussion on this subject at all. I'd prefer that others give a lot of input into this. Breaking apart for my responses.

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My view on @Sackett's suggestion. I'm going to with a systematic approach since a debate is too negative in nature and doesn't accomplish much (particularly when it lacks a easy to grasp goal).

Support
  • agree on Action/Adventure category, and not Adventure/Fantasy
  • Best Original Story
  • Best Adaptation
  • agree on Best Character Design but should be merged with other similar categories
  • Best Soundtrack
  • Best OP or ED (yeah combining sounds like a good idea)
Sounds good. I'm flexible on having Best Character Design combined.
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  • not sure about Fantasy as a category. Why is fantasy a genre but sci-fi isn't? or historical? or some other theme, like say Etchii/Harem, or Mahou Shojo.
  • Sci-Fi is a genre, it's listed right after Fantasy. These are both long accepted as major genres, not just settings. Historical is a genre, but just doesn't have enough entries or interest to justify a category. Harem is a sub-genre of Romance and Comedy. Mahou Shoujo is a popular anime genre, but it's also a subgenre of both Fantasy and Action/Adventure, so it's already covered. Similarly Mecha is a subgenre covered by Sci-Fi.

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  • Slice of Life as a single category. I'm somewhat against this. My (perhaps biased) opinion is that slice of life is just a very tamed passive drama. I mean you might get romance, sadness and everything, even small tragedies, right? just like a drama.
  • Slice of Life tends to incorporate elements of comedy, romance, tragedy,and drama. It's more of a broad overlapping genre or story telling style. I tend to think that if we have Comedy, Tragedy, and Epic, that Slice of Life would cover whatever other type of Drama might be out there. Slice of Life is also a prominent type of anime that Anime Suki posters are interested in, and yet can't be clearly defined as a subgenre of one of the other genre. I think it makes sense to have it's own category.

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  • Best Overall Visual/Animation Quality Can't put my finger on it, but somehow I have mix feeling on this. I feel combining visual and animation is like poetry and prose; they only look the same. My gut instinct tells me people will only think of one of the two possible interpretations and not the sum of both.
  • I tend to think of them as the same thing, or so closely connected that they can't be separated. "Best Overall Animation Quality" is equally fine to me as a title.

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  • Most Effective Animation Style, this is too ambiguous. I see where you're going but it's all very fuzzy; needs rewording.
It was hard for me to find the right wording for it. I'd be glad for an suggestions others have on how to phrase it better.
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  • Drama as a single category doesn't sound too good. I say we use the most generic: Drama / Tragedy / Romance, since they are all the same thing and mostly differ in just how they play out: success, fail, niceboat
  • I would prefer to just drop Drama as a category myself. Romance, Tragedy, Comedy, Epic, and Slice of Life basically cover all types of drama pretty well, so I see no need for it as a stand alone category. However, Tragedy and Romance absolutely cannot be combined as they are not the same thing at all.

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  • I'm against the idea of sports as a separate category; it will just cause duplication. TCG have tournaments and are word renowned, so are they a sport?
  • While I tend to think Athletics are pretty distinguishable from other types of games (and tend to have different story and plot elements) I agree that for now we have to keep them all grouped together.

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  • Best Fight/Action Animation, I feel this is too nit picky overall
  • I'm not too attached to this one. But I realize that for many fans of anime, quality animation fight scenes are one of the main attractions. So I thought it's be a pretty popular category to have.

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  • Best Setting Design, again feels like we're pulling out somewhat insignificant details, or catering for a certain type of show that comes every 5 years.
Once every 5 years? I don't really get what you are referring to. Every anime has a setting and background animation to depict that setting. Some do an amazing job of depicting the setting. This can be a fantastical sci-fi show, or it can be a historical drama, or even just a slice of life that has carefully crafted the background setting so as to give a heightened impact to the normal everyday happenings that occur. I think there are many anime that have "the setting" as almost another character in the viewing experience.
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  • Tragedy as a (standalone) category is just plain spoiler. Should be with drama.
  • Tragedy is one of the original genre. It's one of the major foundations of all storytelling, and deserves representation. It's not like we are telling people any specific plot details, or how the story is tragic, just that it is tragic. And it's actually information that most people want to know before they watch a show. Some people enjoy tragedies, other don't want to see them at all. I suppose if it really bothers everyone that much I could accept a Drama/Tragedy category, so as to leave it open as to how it ends.
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  • Epics as a category. I, for one, don't trust people to vote properly. I also feel this is too ambigous and small for a category. It's a yearly contest, this would seem to require series of at least 52 episodes. FMA as epic? debatable. Personally I'd say series like Naruto that explore every nook and cranny are the only ones that even come close, but I would only give DBZ the title, since as far as I know for a prose to be a Epic it needs to cover some generations.
  • I don't think generations is required. I thiink Robert Egbert put it well:

    "What you realize watching Lawrence of Arabia is that the word epic refers not to the cost or the elaborate production, but to the size of the ideas and vision. Werner Herzog's Aguirre: The Wrath of God didn't cost as much as the catering in Pearl Harbor, but it is an epic, and 'Pearl Harbor' is not."

    Nor does it require a massive amount of episodes. Since movies are able to be epics. For example- Neon Genesis Evangelion was an epic. So was Fullmetal Alchemist- (really, the end of the world as we know it, great moral temptations,combined with an emotional hero's journey including inter-generational conflict and confrontations between father and son? Not an epic?) Katanagatari is an epic. Inuyasha is an epic. Eden of the East is an epic (even if I didn't care for it). That's four anime that wrapped up their epic stories just this year- and those are only the ones I know about.

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  • Best Character Design (for specific character), this is animation related and you mention one category already
  • I guess I'm okay with combining them. Although I thought it might be a good idea to allow identifying the specific character design that people thought was the best.

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  • Best Direction, it's hard to measure and purely subjective
Which is why I decided it should be left out.

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If I didn't mention something, it's because I don't have a option on it (at this time).
Also I really think having awards in categories like in my first post is the more flexible system; since you won't have ugly stuff like {AA} or {BB}.
I don't really care how the ballot is organized as long as the script can handle it. I just don't like the way you wanted to combine several categories and use those combinations to establish winners in other categories instead of having a vote. The sum of the parts is not always the same as the whole. Plus I don't get why you keep identifying Fantasy as a setting instead of a genre
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Question: what's the difference between "setting" and this "show elements"?
Setting is where a story is located. "Show Elements" was just my way of grouping together all the production elements that make up the show: Story, Animation, and Sound.

EDIT: Ugh, the formatting on this post is ugly, but I don't have time to fix it right now. Maybe later.
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There is one thing that has to happen no matter what. We need LESS categories.
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There is one thing that has to happen no matter what. We need LESS categories.
And why is that?, I see no problem with the number currently given how many series air per year.
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-{A} Action - Railgun

-{B} Adventure/Fantasy - FMA

-{C} Science Fiction - Railgun

-{D} Mystery/Horror - High School of the Dead

-{E} Comedy -

-{F} Romance - Kimi no Todoke

-{G} Drama - Cross Game

-{H} Slice of Life - Cross Game

-{I} Fanservice - High School of the Dead

-{J} Sports/Game - Cross Game

-{K} Storyline - FMA

-{L} Visual/Animation - Fate Stay Night: UBW

-{M} Soundtrack - Angel Beats

-{N} Overall Television Series - Cross Game

-{O} Movie - UBW

-{P} OVA

-{Q} Male Character - Kou Kitamura

-{R} Female Character - Misaka Mikoto

-{S} Villain - Asakara Ryoko

-{T} Worst Character - Kirino Kousaka

I feel absolutely horrible that i did not vote for Yosuga no Sora. I probably enjoyed that show third most in the last year too. Its absolutely stellar and everyone should watch it. Its wonderful if you can overlook the fanservice.
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