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Old 2011-07-02, 22:02   Link #2981
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Infiltration you mean.

From what I understand, they waited until everyone was in position before starting the killing. The facility was on a island yes, no problems making lots of sound, but they probably didn't want anyone to raise the alarm or open communications with any outside force before the massacre was done with. For that, surprise was needed.
Now that's good - anything that lessens their invincible portrayal so far is fine by me. They work better in concept as a sort of specialized assassin group anyway than a bunch of steamrollers.

Although, does it mention whether Cypha was involved in this infiltration? She's easily the most noticeable and memorable member of the bunch, so I'd leave her back on the ship if I had the choice.
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Old 2011-07-02, 22:05   Link #2982
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At this point, all I want is for the rest of the damn chapters to be scanlated.
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Old 2011-07-02, 22:49   Link #2983
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Curren vs Hayate cosplay battle now.

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Old 2011-07-02, 22:55   Link #2984
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Infiltration? I thought they politely enter under the guise of...something (business, perhaps) like the Trojan Horse instead of sneaking in. Suits are hardly the best attire for infiltration

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Now that's good - anything that lessens their invincible portrayal so far is fine by me. They work better in concept as a sort of specialized assassin group anyway than a bunch of steamrollers.
What I don't get is why the scientists even let them enter (see my above comment on "infiltration"). Don't they even know who they're dealing with?

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Although, does it mention whether Cypha was involved in this infiltration? She's easily the most noticeable and memorable member of the bunch, so I'd leave her back on the ship if I had the choice.
She was on the same frame as Human-Turned-Into-A-Blob tubes Of course, since the slaughter was already over when we saw them, it's possible that she was escorting the loli (who was also on the same frame). Can't confirm without translations.
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Old 2011-07-02, 22:58   Link #2985
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Going by what we know of the chapter before, the Huckebein were business partners with the Vanduin Corporation, so yes, they knew who they were; they just weren't expecting to get massacred by them.
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Old 2011-07-02, 22:58   Link #2986
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At this point, all I want is for the rest of the damn chapters to be scanlated.
As always if some one will translate, I'll edit.
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Old 2011-07-02, 23:03   Link #2987
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What I don't get is why the scientists even let them enter (see my above comment on "infiltration"). Don't they even know who they're dealing with?
Yeah, even if they don't have profiles on them, you'd think whoever's in charge of all this probably heard about the Huckebein and put two and two together. Even if you can't have a shoot-on-sight order, just ordering them to be as careful as possible around people they've never seen before wouldn't be too hard.

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Going by what we know of the chapter before, the Huckebein were business partners with the Vanduin Corporation, so yes, they knew who they were; they just weren't expecting to get massacred by them.
"Why would they want to kill us? We just have tanks full of things that used to be people injected with the same virus they are! What's the big deal?"
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Old 2011-07-03, 02:14   Link #2988
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Curren vs Hayate cosplay battle now.
Do want. Meido!Signum vs. Nurse!Cypha, anyone?
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Old 2011-07-03, 02:23   Link #2989
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oh god my eyes

(in case that post was at me, RD, I originally had it as 'ooooh, so that's what it is', but went for the dumb joke anyway)
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Old 2011-07-03, 02:54   Link #2990
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Do want. Meido!Signum vs. Nurse!Cypha, anyone?
No thanks.
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Old 2011-07-03, 09:44   Link #2991
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Infiltration? I thought they politely enter under the guise of...something (business, perhaps) like the Trojan Horse instead of sneaking in. Suits are hardly the best attire for infiltration
But that is infiltration. At least, if I remember correctly: Infiltration is to be inconspicuous until necessary either through stealth or disguise or Trojan Horse, sneaking is to be unseen at all times?

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"Why would they want to kill us? We just have tanks full of things that used to be people injected with the same virus they are! What's the big deal?"
Well, as you might say, we know that they don't care about anyone who isn't their family, and Cypha and Stella are certainly not outraged or anything about the blobs in the tubes. Their business deal simply went sour (over what? better be a good excuse) since chapter 15.

And if Vandin is responsible for the facility on Ruwella, then it's a given that their scores on "how to negotiate with human beings " are probably negative twelve on a scale of one to ten. Dealing with the Hucks is stupid, but probably not the worse thing they've ever done before.

(question: can anyone confirm that the bound guy in front of Karen is the same scientist from chapter 1 who tried to have Liliy and Touma incinerated?)
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Old 2011-07-03, 10:01   Link #2992
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But that is infiltration. At least, if I remember correctly: Infiltration is to be inconspicuous until necessary either through stealth or disguise or Trojan Horse, sneaking is to be unseen at all times?
The way I understand it, to infiltrate is to enter the enemy rank or base without notice. Vandin didn't try to prevent them from entering, they know that the Hucks were coming and let them enter, weapons and all (seriously, not even weapons screening?)

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Well, as you might say, we know that they don't care about anyone who isn't their family, and Cypha and Stella are certainly not outraged or anything about the blobs in the tubes. Their business deal simply went sour (over what? better be a good excuse) since chapter 15.
But why let them enter if they knew the Hucks were in a bad mood(and they should have known, considering they were on the other side of the transaction)?

And really, they of all people must have known that the Hucks are a lawless group with a penchant for slaughter. Was a face-to-face meeting instead of using holovids really a smart thing to do?

It would make more sense had they tried to take precautions only for all to go south because the Hucks directly assaulted them. Letting them enter just because the Hucks were dressed for business was...genre blind
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Old 2011-07-03, 16:33   Link #2993
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The way I understand it, to infiltrate is to enter the enemy rank or base without notice. Vandin didn't try to prevent them from entering, they know that the Hucks were coming and let them enter, weapons and all (seriously, not even weapons screening?)
in·fil·trate (n-fltrt, nfl-)
v. in·fil·trat·ed, in·fil·trat·ing, in·fil·trates
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a. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
b. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
2. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
3. To cause (a liquid, for example) to permeate a substance by passing through its interstices or pores.
4. To permeate (a porous substance) with a liquid or gas.

I'd say it fits.

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But why let them enter if they knew the Hucks were in a bad mood(and they should have known, considering they were on the other side of the transaction)?

And really, they of all people must have known that the Hucks are a lawless group with a penchant for slaughter. Was a face-to-face meeting instead of using holovids really a smart thing to do?

It would make more sense had they tried to take precautions only for all to go south because the Hucks directly assaulted them. Letting them enter just because the Hucks were dressed for business was...genre blind
Business is business. Arms dealers are used to dealing with both sides in a conflict, giving weapons to one side does not automatically mean the other side will come hunt you down. Usually.

Not meeting face to face is a sign of distrust, and as the company trying to sell stuff that is the last thing you want. Yes, now that things went teribad we can go "dohoho, how stupid of them" but if things hadn't ended in a bloodbath none of us would have even let out a peep about them entering weapons and all.

Hindsight is 20/20.
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Old 2011-07-03, 17:46   Link #2994
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Business is business. Arms dealers are used to dealing with both sides in a conflict, giving weapons to one side does not automatically mean the other side will come hunt you down. Usually.
Yes, but they could have at least tell the Hucks to drop their weapons first? Remember that telling people to hand over their weapons for security reasons is not an alien concept here; the Three Aces were forced to let the StrikerS take care of their devices before going to that one big party. Besides, it's not like all the Hucks must go in for a business deal; I thought transactions were done by representatives. And do gun stores ever show their merchandise loaded?

And I don't see why the deal must be done at their own facility. If face-to-face is necessary, why not in a neutral location? And again. Representatives, anyone? At least if things go wrong, only a few unfortunate people bites it.

EDIT: Maybe Justin is right; something in the story necessitated it happening there, and that's something we won't know until translations pop out. I just hope it's a good reason.
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Old 2011-07-03, 17:49   Link #2995
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There's probably something in the story that necessitated it happening there, or something.
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Old 2011-07-03, 19:25   Link #2996
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This is why I wish we had some more translator support, selfish as that may be.

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Yes, but they could have at least tell the Hucks to drop their weapons first?
If it actually came to that, then I would say that a somewhat intelligent scenario would be that Deville infiltrated the place first as just another hired helper in a jumpsuit and, when everyone was in position, teleported their weapons to them. Of course, this would probably also require that Deville was a new addition to the family, and Vandin never got the chance to see him before in action.

I hope it is a good reason too.

But on a bright side, Vandin still has never done anything nearly as bone headed as Umbrella.
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Old 2011-07-03, 19:32   Link #2997
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But on a bright side, Vandin still has never done anything nearly as bone headed as Umbrella.
Don't tempt them. Next thing you know it turns out they left another improperly supervised experiment...on Earth! DUNDUNDUNN!

Wait, that might actually be fun. After chasing the Hucks all over the sector, the Reapers invaded the final battle takes place on Earth, bringing the story into full circle. Bonus points if Precia is involved.
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Old 2011-07-03, 19:45   Link #2998
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If Vandin is really as stupid as they appear to be at the moment they might just be able to make my top 3 list of incredibly stupid organizations
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Yes, but they could have at least tell the Hucks to drop their weapons first? Remember that telling people to hand over their weapons for security reasons is not an alien concept here; the Three Aces were forced to let the StrikerS take care of their devices before going to that one big party. Besides, it's not like all the Hucks must go in for a business deal; I thought transactions were done by representatives. And do gun stores ever show their merchandise loaded?

And I don't see why the deal must be done at their own facility. If face-to-face is necessary, why not in a neutral location? And again. Representatives, anyone? At least if things go wrong, only a few unfortunate people bites it.

EDIT: Maybe Justin is right; something in the story necessitated it happening there, and that's something we won't know until translations pop out. I just hope it's a good reason.
Again, they're a company, not a government, army or police. And one that sells weapons at that. Trust is important in business. Doing business at a facility of the producing company is as common as dirt. As a thriving company, they've done millions of deals like this. And as an arms company very likely to worse scum than the Hucks too.

Hindsight is fun, but again, if nothing had gone wrong we wouldn't so much as peeped.
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Again, they're a company, not a government, army or police. And one that sells weapons at that. Trust is important in business. Doing business at a facility of the producing company is as common as dirt. As a thriving company, they've done millions of deals like this. And as an arms company very likely to worse scum than the Hucks too.
They're a a company doing illegal business. Caution is important, because you'll never know when the other side will back-stab you - maybe even test their new toy on you. Even if the Hucks aren't out to kill them, there's always a possibility that they are spies from rival companies.

And again, weapons screening. I repeat, leaving any weapons they carry at the security or not letting them enter as long as they carry one car is not an alien concept in the verse, considering it had already happened in StrikerS.
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