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Old 2011-09-27, 14:13   Link #4321
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And Hayate is the gambler playing strip poker with Carim.
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Old 2011-09-27, 15:01   Link #4322
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And Hayate is the gambler playing strip poker with Carim.
Did I hear someone say "Naughty Nuns"?
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Old 2011-09-27, 18:17   Link #4323
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*shrugs* It doesn't make it bad though. It's nice seeing a bit of Midchilda and Nanoha in general without fate of reality and all that. After a while, gets kind of old. Glad that Force, so far, looks to be avoiding that too, even if it's still drastic.
Curiously Mirron is right. The Huckebein are extrmely dangerous criminals, able to silly curbstomp big name characters left and right, having the power to make the TSAB kneel before them ...but their goal so far is "we want to live the way we want". Of course, that's involves the murdering of innocent lives but still is a far tamer scale of overall danger than past seasons sans Precia:

Book of Darkness - World/Dimension Destruction
Jail Scaglietti/Craddle - Interdimensional conquering by taking a whole freaking planet hostage.

The Hucks are orders of magnitude more dangerous and threatening than the two aformentioned villains but their goal is(for now) far less destructive on a "great disaster" scale. Wonder what will be the goal of the obvious bad guys behind Dego and Marty.

R.I.P. Marty - the only truly sympathetic Eclipse Driver i found T-T
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Old 2011-09-27, 18:21   Link #4324
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...who's Marty again?
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Old 2011-09-27, 18:39   Link #4325
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...who's Marty again?
The smooth and well dressed Eclipse Driver that alongside Dego and Fifth ravaged a town until Arnage and Veyron came to fight them for information.
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Old 2011-09-27, 19:43   Link #4326
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Curiously Mirron is right. The Huckebein are extrmely dangerous criminals, able to silly curbstomp big name characters left and right, having the power to make the TSAB kneel before them ...but their goal so far is "we want to live the way we want". Of course, that's involves the murdering of innocent lives but still is a far tamer scale of overall danger than past seasons sans Precia:

Book of Darkness - World/Dimension Destruction
Jail Scaglietti/Craddle - Interdimensional conquering by taking a whole freaking planet hostage.

The Hucks are orders of magnitude more dangerous and threatening than the two aformentioned villains but their goal is(for now) far less destructive on a "great disaster" scale. Wonder what will be the goal of the obvious bad guys behind Dego and Marty.
At least they are actually more like a group of thugs who are willing to do anything to get what they want. Am I correct, Aki?

I must admit that Hucks and ordinary thugs have similarities: they are free to beat up people. But the difference is, the ordinary thugs, behind their misbehavior, they experience a deep inner conflict. They are confused in dealing the future. They don't know what to do as part of the community, to the extent that they are trapped in a weak position in their own environment. Not to mention their parents who educate them in the wrong way. So they are not there any other way except to make mischief in the vicinity. The goal? To gain recognition from local communities. Indeed, although they had been arrested by the police force of the civil service, if they are guided well and coupled with their desire for change, they certainly be accepted by society.

If this applies to a group of thugs that I mentioned earlier, then the same thing just doesn't apply to Huckebein. They are free to beat anyone, no matter that elderly people, women, children, and even fellow Driver Eclipse itself like Dego and Marty. Once again, I can understand their situation, but they themselves are too stubborn to be invited to understand. Something tells me if they kill their pain and replace it with their arrogant and high nose (read: smug) nature. As if their hearts are made of stone, because their conscience has been locked down tightly. Arguably, almost all of them prefer to stay entirely in darkness and the abyss, rather than reaching the light of forgiveness. I mean, who wants to give a warm hug, if that person consider themselves as a "poison of this world"? If a person is branded as the destroyer of a surrounding community residence, I could still care. Now if this one? I don't want to give a warm hug to a Huckebein any else, but gave them the middle finger.

All the factors I mentioned it, which makes them far more dangerous than the previous two villains.

And that's why they named their family name as Huckebein. Once again...

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R.I.P. Marty - the only truly sympathetic Eclipse Driver i found T-T
Yeah, you're right. May God forgive the sins and mistakes of Dego and Marty did.
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Old 2011-09-27, 20:06   Link #4327
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Yeah, you're right. May God forgive the sins and mistakes of Dego and Marty did.
OK, Marty was a bastard, but he was also a charismatic bastard he really feels natural in his role, he's also a bit hammy but funny(probably because of his smooth attitude). His character feels less pretentious in comparission to the Hucks.
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Old 2011-10-01, 00:21   Link #4328
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Any new spoiler?
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Old 2011-10-01, 00:25   Link #4329
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Any new spoiler?
Aside of Cypha's second NEXT desing, no. I've already searched with Leohart's and some other sources but nothing about Record 20 yet.
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Old 2011-10-01, 00:40   Link #4330
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Did I hear someone say "Naughty Nuns"?
Well, you DON'T want Hayate to run a church. Unless you are into kinky nuns, and we all know that Hayate would make it, this and that the mandatory uniforms of the Belkan church. Of course, fans would be the winners.
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Old 2011-10-01, 00:41   Link #4331
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Well, you DON'T want Hayate to run a church. Unless you are into kinky nuns, and we all know that Hayate would make it, this and that the mandatory uniforms of the Belkan church. Of course, fans would be the winners.
Hhhhmmmm...

Hayate Yagami VS. Roy Mustang xD?
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Old 2011-10-01, 02:46   Link #4332
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Hhhhmmmm...

Hayate Yagami VS. Roy Mustang xD?
Do you mean the battle of "Father/Mother to His/Her Men/Women?"

Sorry, back to topic. If you guys get some synopsis about the upcoming Chapter 20, please be informed.
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Old 2011-10-01, 02:57   Link #4333
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Do you mean the battle of "Father/Mother to His/Her Men/Women?"

Sorry, back to topic. If you guys get some synopsis about the upcoming Chapter 20, please be informed.
Just Force NEXT and some sketches this time.No chapter 20.Wait the next issue coming.
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Old 2011-10-01, 04:11   Link #4334
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Well, you DON'T want Hayate to run a church. Unless you are into kinky nuns, and we all know that Hayate would make it, this and that the mandatory uniforms of the Belkan church. Of course, fans would be the winners.
Heh, I approve of this kind of bad habits.
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Old 2011-10-01, 07:09   Link #4335
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Actually, did anyone one expect the TSAB to be all goody two shoes? It might be that they are behind the scenes again just like the Jail incident and that's why the Hukebein dislike them.
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Old 2011-10-01, 07:24   Link #4336
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Old 2011-10-01, 07:38   Link #4337
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Actually, did anyone one expect the TSAB to be all goody two shoes? It might be that they are behind the scenes again just like the Jail incident and that's why the Huckebein dislike them.
Sure, the two previous series (A's and Strikers) shows two sources of problems which pose a threat that must be faced by the heroes.

As the Akiyoshi said before, in A's the threat is the Program Defense itself, which if not resolved soon, will pose major hazards for the universe. While in Strikers, Jail is source of problems that involves the case of Artificial Mages, Combat Cyborgs, Lost Logias, and finally Cradle, that he uses for captivating the entire Mid Childa, even an entire dimension.

In Force, we introduced the Huckebeins. Of course, though not as dangerous as the previous two, still a threat that must be faced by the Bureau. The problem, they have Eclipse abilities precisely what makes the heroes overwhelmed. Although equipped with AEC which supposedly capable of destroying all existing anti-magic, still overwhelmed. Not to mention their nature coupled with a relatively impulsive, more ruthless, more arrogant, more cocky, even dancing on the misfortune of the others. So far as that aspect is shown by the authors and illustrator themselves, according to Akiyoshi himself. But since Chapter 19, the development of their character little by little began to displayed.
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Old 2011-10-01, 08:06   Link #4338
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From what I understand, it was the brains of the dead admirals of the TSAB that sponsored the creation of Jail whom went out of hand. Regis also employed the help of Jail due to the lack of manpower and funds to deal with the security of the regions under the TSAB's command and the latter is not helping as they took away cash and manpower where they really need. It can be say that the threat in StS was thanks to the TSAB.

In Force though, the Hukebein are like you say arrogant selfish individuals but at least some of them have hinted on the dislike of the TSAB because of their previous experiences with them before they even get the virus like the lousy childcare and etc.
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Old 2011-10-01, 08:06   Link #4339
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Old 2011-10-01, 08:31   Link #4340
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From what I understand, it was the brains of the dead admirals of the TSAB that sponsored the creation of Jail whom went out of hand. Regis also employed the help of Jail due to the lack of manpower and funds to deal with the security of the regions under the TSAB's command and the latter is not helping as they took away cash and manpower where they really need. It can be say that the threat in StS was thanks to the TSAB.

In Force though, the Hukebein are like you say arrogant selfish individuals but at least some of them have hinted on the dislike of the TSAB because of their previous experiences with them before they even get the virus like the lousy childcare and etc.
I guess you're right. But all this is still a mystery. Anyway, all the answers given to us all depends on the writers themselves. So we can not draw conclusions directly.

But I can also understand what you suggested, given the Bureau so far was "too mushy like chocolate pudding".

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