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Old 2011-12-01, 18:43   Link #4581
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Unless Curren is fast enough that she can fly over to him, screw around with the book and get back without it noticing she moved in the first place.

Which, hey, I could see.
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Old 2011-12-01, 18:43   Link #4582
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What if curren have means of protection against tohma's basic powers? She's another Book user after all(maybe my theory abot her being also a Zero Driver isn't as crazy as i tought).
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Old 2011-12-01, 18:48   Link #4583
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Like you need direct contact with the book...
Lily tried to contact the book from the ship, but the book didn`t recognized her.

Curren`s being immune to the Zero won`t surprised me one bit.
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Old 2011-12-01, 19:22   Link #4584
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I was thinking prerecorded as in a non-specific message recorded before Thoma even got the book. "To whoever holds this book" sort of thing.

Also, I said no one won, but that's because the battle might still be ongoing.
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Old 2011-12-01, 19:32   Link #4585
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Also, I said no one won, but that's because the battle might still be ongoing.
Who knows, Signum petting Agito and Tohma ebing all SD seems to indicate the battle is over, i might be worng, tough.

By the way, Seeing Agito in full size with her new jacket alongside the similar clothed Signum gives me vibes of a classic superhero and his sidekick xD!

Captain Belka and Becky are here to save the day xD!
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Old 2011-12-01, 20:04   Link #4586
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I was thinking prerecorded as in a non-specific message recorded before Thoma even got the book. "To whoever holds this book" sort of thing.
That would be pushing it even for a planning villain. Just leave it in a ruin somewhere and hope whoever finds it can activate it properly? What if the TSAB found it?
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Old 2011-12-01, 20:21   Link #4587
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Finally watched the scans...

Spoiler for Yippe?:


Context DAMN IT! I NEED CONTEXT!
Where are you guys getting these scans from?
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Old 2011-12-01, 20:57   Link #4588
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That would be pushing it even for a planning villain. Just leave it in a ruin somewhere and hope whoever finds it can activate it properly? What if the TSAB found it?
Probably Curren DID have something to do with Tohma's doomed hometown?
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Old 2011-12-01, 21:24   Link #4589
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Spoiler for To summarize a mockingbird:


Not to start fueling yet another storm of speculation, but according to the volume briefs, when Touma first saw Lily, his eyes changed color and started bleeding because information was being transmitted straight into his mind. Which it didn't do for anyone else.

Now, I know that there's a hint of destiny/chosen one/causality/whatever being behind Nanoha getting Raising Heart, and there are indications that Touma was the chosen one of Eclipse in much the same way....


but, my paranoid mind is going places that it didn't before, and I'm going to stop talking about it right now.
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Old 2011-12-01, 21:31   Link #4590
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Spoiler for Just a little bit:
Do you understand what they do? becuase i was left mostly confused. I'll gladly listen to your explanation xD
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Old 2011-12-01, 21:33   Link #4591
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Not to start fueling yet another storm of speculation, but according to the volume briefs, when Touma first saw Lily, his eyes changed color and started bleeding because information was being transmitted straight into his mind. Which it didn't do for anyone else.
I don't remember this at all.
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Old 2011-12-01, 21:35   Link #4592
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I don't remember this at all.
I do, it happened in Ch. 01. But we don't have any confirmation that Tohma is the only one that undergoes this process because we haven't seen how the huckebein got their infection.
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Old 2011-12-01, 22:24   Link #4593
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Dunno about the eye changing color or data transmission causing it, but Touma definitely had ocular bleeding when he neared Lily's position in chapter 1.
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Old 2011-12-02, 02:11   Link #4594
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I love how Agito goes all tsuntsun and protective over Signum in this chapter. Their relationship definitely needs more screentime/pagespace.

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Well, of course, that has been a indisputable fact ever since StrikerS ep.2.

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And here I was, thinking that "Curren looks hot" is a tautology, regardless of her clothes.
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Old 2011-12-02, 02:31   Link #4595
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I love how Agito goes all tsuntsun and protective over Signum in this chapter. Their relationship definitely needs more screentime/pagespace.
Totally agreed ToT

Agito-chan just become my favourite woobie of the franchise(sorry Fate, Vivio, Caro, Teana and Erio xDU). She tries her best evertime and is always slapped in the face by destiny yet she keeps trying. She was treated like a lab rat, then she lost her beloved first master and now she was impotent to protect her current master and almost lost her too, her over-protectiveness towards Signum is very justifiable.

Poor little creature makes me want to hug her T-T
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Now that I think about it, Signum's eagerness to fight Thoma is fully understandable even without his Creator's Pet status factoring in. The last thing she knows is her sound defeat by an Eclipse Driver, and Signum is the kind of person who strives to overcome all her weaknesses ASAP. No wonder, then, that the moment she discovers they have a cooperative EC Driver at the base, she pretty much has no choice but to go fight him.
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Old 2011-12-02, 02:57   Link #4597
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^ Yup, that's one of the possible reasons i tought a couple of pages before.

I'm still waiting for context since this fight is clear evidence that:

a) Tohma can effectively shut down the Anti-Magic aspects of his equipement and energy attacks in it's enterity or...

b) Signum found a way to get around that ....or...

c) Laevatein got some internal upgrade(as no noticeable changes are made in it's appearance) that enables him to allow Signum a decent fight against and Eclipse Driver.

I'm almost sure "a" is the answer but i still wait for official confirmation.
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Old 2011-12-02, 04:46   Link #4598
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^ Yup, that's one of the possible reasons i tought a couple of pages before.

I'm still waiting for context since this fight is clear evidence that:

a) Tohma can effectively shut down the Anti-Magic aspects of his equipement and energy attacks in it's enterity or...

b) Signum found a way to get around that ....or...

c) Laevatein got some internal upgrade(as no noticeable changes are made in it's appearance) that enables him to allow Signum a decent fight against and Eclipse Driver.

I'm almost sure "a" is the answer but i still wait for official confirmation.
ther is a chance that c is the awnser and tsuzuki didnt change lavantines appearence cause signum has become a sensitive subject or hell suddenly get a make-over later on just like lulu's barrier jacket got

btw fun fact i went over the all of the scens and chapters lutecia appears just to confirm it and the only people the call her lulu are vivio and agito everyone else calls her luu-chan wanted to mention it for sheer cuteness, (and vertain peoples subtext)
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Old 2011-12-02, 05:14   Link #4599
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ther is a chance that c is the awnser and tsuzuki didnt change lavantines appearence cause signum has become a sensitive subject or hell suddenly get a make-over later on just like lulu's barrier jacket got.
Another fact that may be support the "c" option is the fact that Signum apparenlty relies almost completely on Laevatein and Agito for defense, which only make sense if Tohma's Anti-Magic is working and thus rendering useless Signum's otherwise powerfull magical defenses. She intercepted almost any attack with her sword and manage to deliver some strikes to the kid but after Tohma's bombardment attack she looked a bit trashed which further supports the aformentioned argument about her defenses not working.
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Old 2011-12-02, 10:09   Link #4600
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Do you understand what they do?
Block the attack and guard their partner. Not necessary in this case, but better safer than sorry - which is how things are supposed to work in combat.

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Dunno about the eye changing color or data transmission causing it, but Touma definitely had ocular bleeding when he neared Lily's position in chapter 1.
From the back of Volume 1, it had a small explanation on how reacting works. The JP Nanoha wiki transcribed it:
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媒体同士が近接・接触したことにより何らかの反応を示していること。Record01での「媒体」はリリィ ・トーマのことを指す。
このときにトーマを襲った頭痛と眼球の痛みは、網膜経由で何らかの圧縮された情報がトーマの脳内にインプッ トされたことが原因。これにより眼球周辺から出血している。 ディバイダーは駆動触媒である「リアクター」を介して「リアクト」することで、術者自身とディバイダーの全 機能を開放する。
Alvane's friend helpfully added the translation, all credit to him.

Now, all of the other guys who were forced into reaction didn't have that information upload it seems. Their flesh just went all poopy.

I refuse to speculate anymore on that though.
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