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Old 2011-04-24, 14:25   Link #1841
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I imagine that most of these kids participating can get supplied with the materials and money needed to make a Device from their trainers or parents as well.

After all, not everyone on Mid is necessarily an orphan.
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Old 2011-04-24, 14:27   Link #1842
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Which means that they can't be million dollar devices. Which is my point, really. No, I'm not saying they're 5 cents in the second-hand store, or that they made out of junkjard scrap Macgyver style. All I'm saying is that the knowledge to make them is freely available, and that the cost isn't F-22 level.
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Old 2011-04-24, 15:09   Link #1843
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Every single competitor in the Vivid tournament needs a device. You're telling me every single participant in that tournament (all kids, mind you) has the 'proper connections' or enough money to afford something which you imply to be very, very expensive?
And 90% of them would use cheap and primitive storage devices or other type analogs (which I bet would be worse than standard TSAB grunt have), not state of art ID or AD.
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Old 2011-04-24, 15:52   Link #1844
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I imagine that most of these kids participating can get supplied with the materials and money needed to make a Device from their trainers or parents as well.

After all, not everyone on Mid is necessarily an orphan.
No, but on Mid orphans get scouted early for special forces and are given high-grade devices, because they make good heroes. :P
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Old 2011-04-24, 17:44   Link #1845
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Heh, such caveats/plot points make me want to write something on child slavery (mafia looking for young powerful kids) :P

well, they are high class hand held weaponry, so the research is far more costly than the actual mass production types. Much of what we see are custom and or experimental designs which would cost more as mass production has not yet occurred. So compare it to the latest hand held weaponry that is and is not mass produced in modern USA military.
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Old 2011-04-25, 02:30   Link #1846
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Various participants on the 2nd stage of the torunament held pretty common looking devices, like that short haired girl with a spear, probably even if they can make or buy devices it will still depend on the quality of he materials and the skill of the artist, not everyone in the tournament have state of th art devices lik ViVio & friends, and all the named new chracters have som sort of prestige tha possibly allow them to acquire high-quality devices.
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Old 2011-04-25, 02:34   Link #1847
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Mm, a base model Glock can beat a Assault Rifle, i just wouldn't reccomend someone try
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Old 2011-04-25, 06:28   Link #1848
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That they made out of junkjard scrap Macgyver style.
Hmm. Chirico Cuvie style would be in genre. That would just require Lutecia or Subaru to find herself in need of a device in the right sort of junkyard.
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Old 2011-04-25, 07:48   Link #1849
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They can always dig the devices out of somewhere like what Yuuno did. LOL

But seriously, devices is like our cell phone, mp3 player and etc. They can be simple and complicated depending on the user. Of course, some might save up some money to get a better one.

I also believe that the devices select you instead of you selecting the device.
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Old 2011-04-25, 09:50   Link #1850
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Was it not mentioned in Striker S that Teena and Subaru basically cobbled their device together from spare parts , and such ? That seems to imply that TSAB Mages of a certain magical level have the capability to forge their own devices , provided they have the knowledge to do so , and that you could get device components like you could get , say spare electronic parts from an electronic hardware store.

Just don't expect it to be on the caliber of a Raising Heart or Bardiche, and certainly not on the caliber of a Rein Zwei.
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Old 2011-04-25, 10:01   Link #1851
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I don't recall it was ever mention what they made their devices from, just that they made them themselves.
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Old 2011-04-25, 10:13   Link #1852
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I don't think anyone could make a Unison device with spare parts. It may be a device, but it's forged from the person's Linker Core, so it's not something anyone can do.

And the with gal in the tournament doesn't seem to have any prestige. Is a first time player in the tournament as well, but she has a noteworthy device. It at least doesn't look like anything mass-produced.
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Old 2011-04-25, 10:35   Link #1853
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Remember everyone in the Intermiddle tournament has a "class-3" device or better, it's one of the safety rules.
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Old 2011-04-25, 11:18   Link #1854
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Let's see:

Miura Rinaldi - Yagami family's support
Shante - Saint Church's sister in training and exclusive disciple of Schach
Victoria Dalgreen - Rich Girl and descendant of a royal house
Mysterious Hooded Girl - Former Champion with the possibility of a sponsor supporting her
Harii Tribecca - Former finalist probably the same as misterious hooded girl
Signum Mk. II - Also appears to come from a family with modes resources as she attends a dojo and have a pretty ornamental barrierjacket.

I don't know about other contestants but apparently every character in ViVid who matter have mathod to get the resources to make a high-quality device
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Old 2011-04-25, 11:44   Link #1855
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Mysterious Hooded Girl - Former Champion with the possibility of a sponsor supporting her
Harii Tribecca - Former finalist probably the same as misterious hooded girl
They might be former finalists now, but they were not the last time they entered, and they would have needed those devices then too.
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Old 2011-04-25, 12:10   Link #1856
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Upgrade? It's not impossibleto upgrade the device you used before to a much more actualized one if you get the resources between tournaments.
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Old 2011-04-25, 13:04   Link #1857
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Even if a mage can't make a high class Device on their own, some private company would sponsor an exceptional mage with a Device in order to get combat data or something.
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Old 2011-04-25, 13:41   Link #1858
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Upgrade? It's not impossibleto upgrade the device you used before to a much more actualized one if you get the resources between tournaments.
Would still mean they'd have a class 3 device when they first fought.
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Old 2011-04-25, 13:58   Link #1859
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Would still mean they'd have a class 3 device when they first fought.
It's also a possibility that "class-3" is a category int erms of basic funcions and safety level of a devices, wepons of the same catery can also have a wide variety of quality levels depending on the materials, research and effort invest on their fabrication.
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Old 2011-04-25, 14:06   Link #1860
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Shouldn't this discussion go to the technology thread? Or to the Vivid thread at least.
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