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Old 2013-05-06, 00:08   Link #5961
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I'm actually thinking of not getting BiA for my heavy jagdpanzer and post-war crews. Going to forgo ventilation for coated optics.
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Old 2013-05-06, 00:24   Link #5962
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Old 2013-05-06, 00:34   Link #5963
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Can I taunt you with mine?
but you barely play Mow. LOL

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Old 2013-05-06, 01:51   Link #5964
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Will be free for platooning for the next two hours. All my tier 8s are done though, so if we're gonna do it, it's for tier 5 mayhem as usual~.

Edit: Well it was frustrating 12 matches, where I only won two of them, and all of those matches were in tiers 7-8. This time around, I was the one in need of cheering up, and platooning with Irenicus helped in that regard (Ghostie Eye only joined us in the final few matches). We went 11 wins straight before we hit a lost, and after Ire logged off, Ghostie stayed with me until the server reset. We won two more games before it did, which brings me... one game over my result last night. Oi.
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Old 2013-05-06, 08:39   Link #5965
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I'm actually thinking of not getting BiA for my heavy jagdpanzer and post-war crews. Going to forgo ventilation for coated optics.
...but if you do not have vents, then you should have BiA?

Meanwhile, from the land of supertest... leaks...
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Old 2013-05-06, 09:04   Link #5966
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...but if you do not have vents, then you should have BiA?
If you're not going to put vents, it's not worth it to put BiA, and vice versa.
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Old 2013-05-06, 09:09   Link #5967
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If you're not going to put vents, it's not worth it to put BiA, and vice versa.
Not sure I agree .. even if you use a GLD, BIA doesn't take up an equipment slot. I'm nearing my 4th skill on my E-75 crew (which I am tempted to move to the E-100 + 1 noob crew) and the number of useful skills remaining is nearly down to firefighting or camo .. more than happy to have BIA on them.
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Old 2013-05-06, 09:21   Link #5968
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The benefits from BiA are minimial without vent, thus why I made the decision.
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Old 2013-05-06, 09:32   Link #5969
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The benefits from BiA are minimial without vent, thus why I made the decision.
It's the same with or without vents, they are additive, I believe. (IMO) If you have only one set of crew skills, there are more usually more important skills to pick (6th sense, repair, camo) depending on the tank that its not worth it in my eyes to pick up BiA until the 3rd or so skill.
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Old 2013-05-06, 09:35   Link #5970
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BiA is nominally 5%, but the actual result is around 2.5%. It's not worth it for the first five or more skills when your tank relies a lot on view range, which would be the German heavy jagdpanzers and post-war tanks.
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Old 2013-05-06, 16:45   Link #5971
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Meanwhile, from the land of supertest... leaks...
With the caveat that it sounds like one of those rumour-mongering tabloid posts...that's completely stupid.

The problem with arty isn't what they're trying to nerf at all. Rather,

A) Arty does too much damage. Crippling full health tanks in a random shot. No, it's not fun to be out of the game in 30 seconds while on *my* side of the map.
B) Arty is too random. Sometimes they can't hit a single thing, sometimes they hit zig-zagging fast mediums at 1k damage. Unicums hate RNG, not skill.
C) Arty is too accurate against moving tanks (i.e. zig-zagging fast tanks), while not accurate enough against stationary campers. Fuck campers, they're worse than arty by a mile.
D) Unbalanced MM means matches without arties exist concurrently with matches with 5 arties on both sides.

So the solution is...to make it even more random, to still allow it to do hurr-durr damage, to make it completely unable to do support fire without teamkilling half the time, to ignore the core MM problem, and to make it hell to play.

Yeah right.
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Old 2013-05-06, 16:59   Link #5972
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Old 2013-05-06, 17:12   Link #5973
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Solution to arty is less dmg, better rof, bigger splash aoe, and more mobility.

i.e.: Priest rof, Hummel mobile, and T92 aoe splash.

the only problem is that its gonna make it less real to the real thing..... so arty might just need dmg debuff and acr debuff, i doubt arty was pin point precision like is nowadays.
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Old 2013-05-06, 17:23   Link #5974
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Old 2013-05-06, 17:28   Link #5975
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It's the same with or without vents, they are additive, I believe. (IMO) If you have only one set of crew skills, there are more usually more important skills to pick (6th sense, repair, camo) depending on the tank that its not worth it in my eyes to pick up BiA until the 3rd or so skill.
BiA isn't worth it if its not derp or maybe autoloader or arty.
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Old 2013-05-06, 17:50   Link #5976
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So the solution is...to make it even more random, to still allow it to do hurr-durr damage, to make it completely unable to do support fire without teamkilling half the time, to ignore the core MM problem, and to make it hell to play.

Yeah right.
The thing that annoys me the most about arty players is that a lot of them are are just plain greedy and often ignore what the team is doing and instead focus on the pouching near dead tanks that a teammate is mopping up or lone, weaker tanks that will net them an easy kill rather than supporting the main bulk of the team dealing with heavies.

I've lost count of how many times I've been hunting the enemies arty off on my own and while in the middle of taking them out (without any difficulty) they will be randomly destroyed outright by my teams arty who where lying in wait for me to spot them instead of letting me deal with them myself all the while our team gets hammered into the ground by a heavy train steaming down the other side of the map that they could have helped deal with instead.
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Old 2013-05-06, 17:59   Link #5977
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Don't even get me started about arty...

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Old 2013-05-06, 18:11   Link #5978
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like someone once said, arty players are abuot 10% that know how to play it and play it good, another 15% know how to play it, the other 75% just plain suck and shouldn't have started playing arty.

i see ES changed his avatar.

also i don't want UTE to play arty in platoon anymore, that was a major flaw to the team imo, but then again, no one really scouted that game when he was in the arty, idk if the crew was 100 and had its perks and equipment.
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Old 2013-05-06, 18:22   Link #5979
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That S-51 is fully-upgraded, has a rammer and EGLD, and a 100% crew with 1.8 skills. Working against it was the city, the targets staying in cover, and the the S-51's fully-aimed CEP still being the size of a basketball court. Also worrying about the scout that nearly reached our base.

Of course, I'm not that good with arty either, but the game doesn't exactly make it very rewarding to bother learning it.
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Old 2013-05-06, 18:29   Link #5980
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the way to use arty like that is to aim at the spots around the area where you expect tanks to appear, then when you have targets on the field use ctrl right click the mini to the square, then always keep looking at the mini when ur in snipe mode, when you see a scout tank up on ur los, then ur pretty much td mode or time to bail (run forest run).

i hate those idiots that going in front of my shots especially when i'm about to shoot, then they die making my shots useless, then ES, LOL idk if he knows he's out in the open more than he should be, makes me want to say Endless "no cover" Soul or maybe Endless "hit me baby one more time" Soul LOL. I just need to say that, yes that was pretty bad i admit that.
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