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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 08 Rating
Perfect 10 170 72.65%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 42 17.95%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 12 5.13%
7 out of 10 : Good 4 1.71%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 0.43%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 0.85%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 3 1.28%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2011-02-25, 05:50   Link #241
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I agree with MeoTwister5 on this. I have omitted indeed that Gretchen was redeemed this way in Goethe's rendition of the story. (the rest of the response I am forwarding to the speculation thread since we are deviating from the scope of episodic discussion)

Walpurgisnacht is going to be front and center to the climax of the story. Somehow, I wonder if 'slaying' Sayaka is only a prelude to what's to come.
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Old 2011-02-25, 05:58   Link #242
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should totally team up with Izaya or Beatrice or something.
I think he should be teamed up with Kirino and Tony Stark as the worst character. At least you had fun watching Izaya and Beatrice be a villain. And they are likable in their own way. QB is just..... ugh the CANNIBAL SCENE.
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Old 2011-02-25, 06:01   Link #243
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I think he should be teamed up with Kirino and Tony Stark as the worst character. At least you had fun watching Izaya and Beatrice be a villain. And they are likable in their own way. QB is just..... ugh the CANNIBAL SCENE.
I actually like the little rat. The reveal of episode eight is just the ice on the cake. I'll have to wait more episode before adding the cherry. Imo, he secured his spot in the 2011 awards.
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Old 2011-02-25, 06:07   Link #244
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Most of the stuff in this episode has been theorised with a great deal of certainty before - which did not surprise me as it was a logical progression which was due to be explained in time. However a great point of interest of mine is the very peculiar scene involving Homura and Kyoko.

When Homura is on the ground she cannot move at all when she is being grabbed? Why is that? Homura's face is completely emotionless and she isn't struggling in any shape or form but she's obviously helpless in a way we haven't seen before. We also have to tie this fact in with the realisation that Homura is using traditional weaponry, her grenade was not magical and her gun certainly wasn't.

Is Homura conserving magic? I don't think so as she had clearly exhausted after her shootup of Kyuubey. Then all we are left with is that very peculiar scene where we see that Homura has some magical contraption. In fact where did the grenade come from anyway? Does Homura's power allow her to teleport things into her vicinity? Or is it the contraption doing all the work feeding magic from the thing at the top to the bottom? Is the the item at the top another soul gem?

It clearly is the thing doing some if not all of the work -- But I looked back ant it's weird although Homura clearly uses all her powers in the fight against Charlotte (bringing conventional weapons, teleporting) she DOES NOT have the magical shield contraption. But guess what else she doesn't have - A SOUL GEM. Although Homura's soul gem is clearly visible on her left hand (same as the shield) I cannot see one on her in episode 3 even though she is using her powers, but we do see it in episode 6 along with the shield.

I have no idea what this means but it's interesting. lol.

My guess is that Homura's device is some sort of time travel machine and not her actual power but tbh I can't really back it up
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Old 2011-02-25, 06:24   Link #245
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Well, I'm now convinced that Madoka will transform using Homura's Soul Gem (like in the opening), and that Homura will use the cat as a doll/body when her human one is destroyed.

Anyway, Cubae (would that be his name, right? Think Greek "ay/ai" sound.) is Incubator, incubating the apocalypse. Actually, I think that maybe Madoka was the giant witch in the prologue, and that Homura returned back in time to stop her from going MG and then witch.

I feel for Sayaka, but as has been said before "assuming makes an ass out of you and me". She should just have approached Kamijou as his long-time friend and casually asked "I hear rumours that you and my best friend is going out? Any truth to that?".

But her rashness has always been her biggest flaw.

I feel sorry for Kyouko. Probably the first time she's reached out since the massacre of her family, and it ends up being Sayaka, who turns into a witch that needs to be killed. If Kyouko's unlucky, she'll be killed. If she's REALLY unlucky, Madoka will see her killing Sayaka (and Sayaka will not look like a witch at the time) and will try to seek revenge.

Madoka herself, however, I'm starting to get irritated with. She knows that Cubae keeps things to himself, that any contract he makes is null and void, that he's NOT a good guy, yet she still decides to take him up on his offer. It takes a certain kind of idiocy to enter a lifetime, life-changing and life-threatening contract ignorant and knowing that your contractor will try to keep you in ignorance.
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Old 2011-02-25, 06:33   Link #246
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It takes a certain kind of idiocy to enter a lifetime, life-changing and life-threatening contract ignorant and knowing that your contractor will try to keep you in ignorance.
Without excusing her, I would like to remind you that she have been tempted by QB who have kept telling her that she is totally awesome and could very well become some sort of god. Moreover, seeing how she is distressed by Sayaka's condition and caring for her friend's well being, it have been a matter of time before she decides to tempt fate.

To be on-topic:

Episode eight have been a delicious treat for me, and allows me to have some fun talk with folks in IRC. If I could pull the same OH SHI- faces that Eikichi Onizuka of GTO fame could do, I would have done them, because they sum up my reactions over the developments of the episode. Kyuubey, you little rat, don't change.

9/10

Four more episodes I think, before the ride is over but boy it IS fun.
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Old 2011-02-25, 07:00   Link #247
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I've only scanned through so far but, wow, this really is a twisted show. If they can somehow make it come out good it'll be awesome, but it'll be quite a feat. And it seems that the guesses about the true nature of Witches and Kyubei's motivations are pretty much spot on. I was a little surprised that Cuba's real name is "Incubator" though.
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Old 2011-02-25, 07:20   Link #248
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i'm getting depressed with the thought that this show is nearing its end. T_T i sure am going to miss this show. T_T mah, i'm such a sap. DX
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Old 2011-02-25, 07:28   Link #249
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I think he should be teamed up with Kirino and Tony Stark as the worst character. At least you had fun watching Izaya and Beatrice be a villain. And they are likable in their own way. QB is just..... ugh the CANNIBAL SCENE.
Well, there is a difference between lazily defined protagonists that you end up hating and well defined antagonists that you are supposed to hate.

You need to earn credibility to be a protagonist or antagonist ; Yes, I'd love to shoot some more holes in him, but he earned his place.

Bastard.
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Old 2011-02-25, 07:41   Link #250
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I think he should be teamed up with Kirino and Tony Stark as the worst character. At least you had fun watching Izaya and Beatrice be a villain. And they are likable in their own way. QB is just..... ugh the CANNIBAL SCENE.
Hey, I kind want to argue that Beatrice isn't that bad as QB is..especially after finish playing umineko EP8; but that's off-topic, so oh well..

I am thinking about Koemushi at the moment.
Another mean bastard. But Koemusi indeed was trying to save the world..

I wonder what QB would turn out to be in the end, seriously.
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Old 2011-02-25, 07:43   Link #251
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Did nobody notice the colour of Homura's Soul Gem when she was trying to kill Sayaka? PINK?

- Every MG up to now has had their Soul Gem match their character colour (or rather, hair colour).
- Kyuubey claims that Madoka is the only one in the world who can break physics. Therefore, she's also supposed to be the only one with the potential to manipulate time (Homura's power).
- Homura doesn't actually break down until she hears Madoka's QQ session about her worthlessness.
- Also note that she continually emphasizes Madoka not causing suffering to those around her. Not "wishes never come true" or "this is the worst mistake in the history of mistakes", just that one point over and over again.

I dunno, the show seems to be heavily pushing towards Homura being future Madoka, if only the Soul Gem. Which then begs the question: is Homura the Body actually the black cat from the OP, "transmuted" into a girl?
Yeah, I didn't notice that, being too caught up in the story to do proper analysis. But this seems now heavily likely. Homura is Madoka from the future, yet in another body, because her original body was destroyed. Yikes. Well, we'll see if that turns out to be true.
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Old 2011-02-25, 08:15   Link #252
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All in all, I'm actually going to give this a 10/10. As Kanon wrote, the execution here was superb. And while some of the overarching plot events have been more predictable than I would have liked, the intricate details of how those plot events have been implented into the anime itself, has been somewhat surprising. Sayaka's meeting with that misogynstic man on the bus was truly a startling scene, that I never would have foreseen, for example. And yet, it was a very effective one, imo.

So, again, 10/10. I'm very much looking forward to more.
Glad you liked the episode. I had a feeling you would. The flawless execution and the emotions conveyed in this episode easily trumps the predictable turn of events. I'd like to praise the muscial score as well. It's wonderful as expected from Kajiura Yuki. I can't wait to get my hands on the soundtrack.

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  • I loved the look of Homura's room. Surreal and beautiful.
  • Homura's arsenal is awesome. As a result, she's way more powerful and versatile than the other magicals girls who stick to only one type of weapons (muskets, swords or spears). She's used bombs, flashbangs, guns, and whatever it was that fire lasers at Kyubey in the first episode.
  • I enjoyed Chiwa Saito's performance a lot. The breakdown scene was perfect thanks to her.
  • I still can't help but like Kyubey. The contrast between his cute and fluffy external appearance and his cold-hearted personality makes him a very fun antagonist. It was also very funny to see him act all cute right after eating himself. He just doesn't give a damn
  • I wish we had seen Sayaka kill the two assholes (yes, I'm pretty sure she killed them).
  • If Madoka could become a god by becoming a magical girl, what would happen if she turned into a witch? She could easily bring worth the apocalypse. Maybe this is what Kyubey is aiming for.
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Did nobody notice the colour of Homura's Soul Gem when she was trying to kill Sayaka? PINK?

- Every MG up to now has had their Soul Gem match their character colour (or rather, hair colour).
- Kyuubey claims that Madoka is the only one in the world who can break physics. Therefore, she's also supposed to be the only one with the potential to manipulate time (Homura's power).
- Homura doesn't actually break down until she hears Madoka's QQ session about her worthlessness.
- Also note that she continually emphasizes Madoka not causing suffering to those around her. Not "wishes never come true" or "this is the worst mistake in the history of mistakes", just that one point over and over again.

I dunno, the show seems to be heavily pushing towards Homura being future Madoka, if only the Soul Gem. Which then begs the question: is Homura the Body actually the black cat from the OP, "transmuted" into a girl?
Madoka's transformation scene does include a girl with long pink hair aiding her. So maybe that is the true Homura (Madoka from another timeline).
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Yeah, I didn't notice that, being too caught up in the story to do proper analysis. But this seems now heavily likely. Homura is Madoka from the future, yet in another body, because her original body was destroyed. Yikes. Well, we'll see if that turns out to be true.
Her conversation with Madoka seems to point to her NOT being Madoka but someone very close to her in a other time.
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Old 2011-02-25, 08:24   Link #255
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I'm surprised nobody has made any remarks on Homura's house. Doesn't it look VERY familiar, like a certain shop in a previous work that also had Shinbo and Kajiura involved?
Yup, I saw the house for just a second and grinned. It is definitely Eiri's shop from Le Portrait de Petit Cossette.

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After watching this episode, I have this growing suspicion that Homerun-chan is actually a post-Walpurgisnacht Sayaka.

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It's not impossible, but there is one immediate counterargument to the thought.

If Homura is post-Walpurgisnacht Sayaka, that would mean that she was wished out of a Puella Magi by Madoka (as in turning fully back to human). But, by reappearing in this timeline, that would mean that she contracted Kyubey (again?) to stop Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi, to which the incident with the original!Sayaka happened again, and Madoka will be thrown into making the choice again. Again (repeated too many times in this paragraph alone!), I won't say it's impossible, but CLAMP is more likely to make a circular timeline thing than SHAFT, I'd think.

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Old 2011-02-25, 08:26   Link #256
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[*]If Madoka could become a god by becoming a magical girl, what would happen if she turned into a witch? She could easily bring worth the apocalypse. Maybe this is what Kyubey is aiming for.[/LIST]
By now I'd say this is precisely what Inkyubeytor is aiming for,
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Old 2011-02-25, 08:45   Link #257
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Her conversation with Madoka seems to point to her NOT being Madoka but someone very close to her in a other time.
Well, her soul gem being in Madokas "color" could either mean that Homura was so specially devoted to Madoka that even her soul was tinged in her likeness or that Homura has the soul-gem of the alternate timeline Madoka.

Or it's a red herring, but given how much focus the writers put on symbology and details, I kinda doubt it.
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Old 2011-02-25, 08:55   Link #258
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ok that's so fucked up. but great episode.
so it's official KILL QB!! so it wanted madoka to make the strongest witch, QB the incubator.

and sayaka breaking , did she even hear what hitomi and kamijou was talking about?. oh well, maybe the point is moot, even if hitomi was doing it for her she still doesn't feel " clean " & " human " enough to be with kamijou. so sad.

I disagree with those saying it's predictable. there have been many speculations everywhere, on most anime forums in fact more so on this show which has such a high response quotient, of course some of them are bound to come true. especially if the writer would stay on a logically consistent path. i believed it was pretty well done. In fact the number of speculations and replies alone indicates that it was NOT as predictable as some would imply now. For example QB's action may make you feel he's the villain or even evil, but you're never sure, and never know why, there were a lot of surprises. (and seems a lot more with Walpurgis night and a couple more episodes to come) if it was really THAT PREDICTABLE no one would post at all and there would be no point in discussing possibilities. and only few would watch the show.

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After watching this episode, I have this growing suspicion that Homerun-chan is actually a post-Walpurgisnacht Sayaka.
The immediate problem i can see with this is why would Homura not be aware of Sayaka's vulnerability. She made the link that Sayaka would be used to pull Madoka down very quickly after Sayaka's transformation. If she was Sayaka, she should have known her own personality, her own background, etc which would have allowed her to guess what would happen much earlier

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The simplest reason i can guessis because it is not dark yet. He seems to require grief seeds at a certain level of darkness, hence the MS using the seeds plays into the plan. As shown by Mami when she first uses it, the soul gem is not "cleansed" rather its darkness is transferred. take a look back at ep 2's late half

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But why hurt the MS even if he could? In the end they are going to ripen anyway. Take a farmer. He grows an apple tree. One day, the gets hit on the head by an apple falling from the tree. Should he take an axe to the tree or just laugh it off and wait for the rest of the fruit to drop?

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A few problems with this wish
i) The existing witches and MS are not helped at all. Just no new ones
ii) The procedure requires knowing which is done first. Wish granted first = no MS. Wish after transformation = still a MS but no new MS. also in consideration is whether the bargain is upheld as wish=cost of MS
iii) You could then become something else, not a MS, how about a mutant with the same stuff
iv) Familiars can still be created.
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Old 2011-02-25, 09:03   Link #260
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What if Homura's reticence isn't due to poor communication skills, but due to having tried million times and failed? Kind of, like, Rika from Higurashi. Makes me wonder about just _how_ many iterations have happened.

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