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Old 2011-07-16, 16:09   Link #841
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Old 2011-07-16, 16:58   Link #842
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I'm really interested in finding out whether Kotetsu's daughter will end up developing NEXT powers or not.
Episode 16 is pretty shocking all things considered, poor Kotetsu, and poor Lunatic as well.

and that preview, is that who I think it is? Maybe it is a flashback?
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Old 2011-07-16, 18:41   Link #843
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stuff went Watchmen there

What was up with the subs in this episode?
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Old 2011-07-16, 19:40   Link #844
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Apparently the spacebar stopped working on whoever did the type-setting for this episode, I remember that Viz had this issue before (with an episode of Nura, it was much worse than this actually) but it is worriesome just how many mistakes there were.

Spoiler for episode 16:


And it appears that Ben and Scarf-tan like the same hangout place, Heroes Bar!

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Old 2011-07-16, 20:49   Link #845
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Dayum that dark, here's hoping that faust doesn't make an appearance.
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Old 2011-07-16, 21:19   Link #846
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Looks like the lovable old CEO of Heroes TV might be more suspicious that we at first thought. I mean just looking at his younger self made me want to arrest him for pedophilia.
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Old 2011-07-16, 21:28   Link #847
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Looks like the lovable old CEO of Heroes TV might be more suspicious that we at first thought. I mean just looking at his younger self made me want to arrest him for pedophilia.
I too think that it was suspicious that Mr. Maverick showed up to conveniently adopt Barnaby and mold him into a hero.

I wonder if he had a part in Barnaby's parents being killed. He prob played a role in the cover-up of Mr. Legend's decline.
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Old 2011-07-16, 21:29   Link #848
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Looks like the lovable old CEO of Heroes TV might be more suspicious that we at first thought. I mean just looking at his younger self made me want to arrest him for pedophilia.
I've always found him suspicious. He has the typical design of a villain. Dem eyes, man. Dem eyes.

Well. Things turn for the darker, which I don't mind. I just hope they don't end the same way or I'll burn down Sunrise's headquarters. That would be my idea of justice.
Nevertheless it was a good episode. I can't even remember the last show where I've been looking forward to the next episode with such anticipation.
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Old 2011-07-16, 21:57   Link #849
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Great episode, really unexpected twist in events. What I also liked was the explanation for Jake's files being missing; yeah it's a cover-up, but not by whom we had first expected.
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Old 2011-07-16, 22:17   Link #850
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I do rather hope that Kotetsu tells Kaede soon. Mainly since I'd rather like a scene where he introduces her to everyone else. I'd love to see interactions between her and Barnaby as well as Kotetsu's reaction.
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Old 2011-07-16, 23:13   Link #851
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And that preview, is that who I think it is? Maybe it is a flashback?
Well, I think it's Koetetsu's wife (he did say she died of an illness and it looks like he's visiting home next episode) but clearly I've been wrong about his wife before so who knows who it is. Also agreeing that Maverick does look suspicious in the flashbacks but I don't think he's actually evil, just hiding some secrets. Finally, I also thought that the mention about Jake's record was a nice touch, even if it makes everything seem even more suspicious, wonder if Jake wasn't the killer after all.

Also, forgot to post this earlier, ANN did a video tour of Sunrise recently and the first ten or so minutes of the video talks about Tiger and Bunny and where some of the ideas came from, thought it was pretty cool.

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Old 2011-07-17, 00:12   Link #852
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EP16 thoughts

Great, where was I again? *clears my head*

Lunatic was actually a Mr Legend's son! And THAT's how he became a LUNATIC after he killed his dad!

And What just happened?! Lunatic just killed 'the lady killer' just like that off-screen! What a rip-off ( I mean That's it!? We don't know what really happened after the ED credits)!

OFF TOPIC - Great, what the hell was I thinking about my last post. Jake is officially dead. It's finally over. It's only 8 episodes left. I should get on with it & move on to the next story where we've seen Tiger (Kotetsu) visiting his family. Hope he's gonna see his daughter, Kaede soon. *bangs my head*
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Old 2011-07-17, 00:32   Link #853
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Holy crap they actually decided to take the real shit up a notch. Looks like I was wrong to think "what the hell is going to happen now?" when Jake 'died'.
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Old 2011-07-17, 00:55   Link #854
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Well, I think it's Koetetsu's wife (he did say she died of an illness and it looks like he's visiting home next episode) but clearly I've been wrong about his wife before so who knows who it is. Also agreeing that Maverick does look suspicious in the flashbacks but I don't think he's actually evil, just hiding some secrets. Finally, I also thought that the mention about Jake's record was a nice touch, even if it makes everything seem even more suspicious, wonder if Jake wasn't the killer after all.
I think it's Koetetsu's wife and it's a flashback. If you look at Tiger he actually looks younger in that very last shot of him after we see the women in the hospital bed.

As for Maverick, I'm among the group who's always been suspicious of him from early on (I thought his showing up when Barnaby's parents died in the first flash back to be a bit too convenient. That said, I'm starting to wonder if he's truly a bad guy or if there is more going here on as well. Something that popped into my mind a few episodes back was that Maverick, if he wasn't Mr Legend (and we now know he wasn't), might be a former NEXT hero. I'm starting to think this even more now it's becoming more and more clear how much he has to do with the current Hero set up (creating it and the city) and how that all dovetails into Lunatic's motives (Yuri seemed to obviously be at odds with Maverick back when we first met Lunitic and along with his position in the Stine Build Justice system, makes me think he knows a lot more about Maverick and most of the rest of us, or the Heroes knows at this point).

Let's break this down a bit. I'll throw it under spoiler space for both spoilers, room, and spoiler speculation
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A bit of a ramble there but this episode let is in a lot more information on the universe, which I liked a lot.
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Old 2011-07-17, 00:55   Link #855
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Old 2011-07-17, 01:38   Link #856
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I have to say that I don't like where the series is going with this latest episode.

Do we really need another dark deconstruction this year? What's wrong with a nice mix of drama with an overall lighthearted and upbeat feel? Does everything have to be cynical and twisted, where very likable major characters are frequently made to suffer and endure torment? Everything action-oriented anyway. Slice of Life shouldn't be the only anime genre offering genuinely lighthearted and upbeat content.

I find this new direction very disappointing, especially after how pleasantly nostalgic I found most of the episodes immediately preceding this one (Episode 16).

If Sunrise intended Tiger and Bunny to be a superhero deconstruction, my opinion is that it shouldn't be pulling it this late in the game, well over half-way through the anime. Sure, you had slight elements of crass commercialism before this latest episode, but nothing even approaching what we're seeing now.


There's plenty of dark anime shows this year. Madoka Magica and Deadman Wonderland, and to lesser extents Ao no Exorcist, Kamisama Dolls, X-Men, and Sacred Seven. In my opinion, what made Tiger and Bunny stand out from the crowd of action-oriented anime of this year is that it played its genre pretty straight, with upbeat lightheartedness, albeit with a touch more realism (i.e. the previously mentioned crass commercialism).


I still like Tiger and Bunny overall, and it remains one of the top Spring 2011 anime shows for me. But I really don't like this new direction shift.
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Old 2011-07-17, 01:39   Link #857
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Old 2011-07-17, 02:06   Link #858
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I have to say that I don't like where the series is going with this latest episode.

Do we really need another dark deconstruction this year? What's wrong with a nice mix of drama with an overall lighthearted and upbeat feel? Does everything have to be cynical and twisted, where very likable major characters are frequently made to suffer and endure torment? Everything action-oriented anyway. Slice of Life shouldn't be the only anime genre offering genuinely lighthearted and upbeat content.

I find this new direction very disappointing, especially after how pleasantly nostalgic I found most of the episodes immediately preceding this one (Episode 16).

If Sunrise intended Tiger and Bunny to be a superhero deconstruction, my opinion is that it shouldn't be pulling it this late in the game, well over half-way through the anime. Sure, you had slight elements of crass commercialism before this latest episode, but nothing even approaching what we're seeing now.


There's plenty of dark anime shows this year. Madoka Magica and Deadman Wonderland, and to lesser extents Ao no Exorcist, Kamisama Dolls, X-Men, and Sacred Seven. In my opinion, what made Tiger and Bunny stand out from the crowd of action-oriented anime of this year is that it played its genre pretty straight, with upbeat lightheartedness, albeit with a touch more realism (i.e. the previously mentioned crass commercialism).


I still like Tiger and Bunny overall, and it remains one of the top Spring 2011 anime shows for me. But I really don't like this new direction shift.
I replied to your comment over at LiA, RRR... You raise valid concerns, but I don't think we're all the way down the rabbit hole just yet.
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Old 2011-07-17, 02:50   Link #859
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I don't get it. This anime is all about conspiracy. I mean the only superhero conspiracy that I've seen is from Zack Snyder's Watchmen.

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Old 2011-07-17, 04:45   Link #860
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Holy shit, this episode was greaaat Lunatic being Legend's son. Legend not being the great everyone think he was. Kotetsu losing his power like Legend !! What will happen next ?! Especially for Kotetsu. It's obvious he can't be an heroe anymore !

Now, about Marverick, I also think that he has something to do with Barnaby's parent being killed. My theory right now : He did that because like that he can make Barnaby his puppet heroe and make him his next cash cow !

I cant wait for the next one !
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