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Old 2014-01-27, 18:04   Link #2061
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Also Religion seems to be apparent in this Manga/Anime too...

Now apply this knowledge to Eren...he's sorrounded by lot's of friends that he cares for, but who's to say that they won't ultimately turn their backs on him...I mean Jean practically wanted the system to stay the same, and didn't care as long as he didn't have to lift heavy objects "Gluttony". Sasha seems to steal a lot of food, to which comes the assumption of "Greed", Connie comes under the assumption of fear "Sloth", Armin is "Pride", Mikasa is most definitely both "Envy/Wrath" , I haven't figured out who "Lust" is yet...but I figure it could be "Erwin", although I'm not sure of it, could be "Levi" but he's too cool for the title. Although Levi kind of reminds me of Vergil from Dante Aligheri's novel Divine Comedy.
Whooaaaa, you went too far there. As much as the part about religion being right (SnK DOES seem to dislike religious movements a bit), then the part about 7 sins makes no sense whatsoever and you seem to not even know what each sin represents. "Gluttony" for Jean and "Greed" for Sasha? If anything, Sasha would be Gluttony. But still everything else is far-fetched and doesn't fit at all (especially with Armin representing Pride when he is one of the most docile and timid character out there, only beginning to change now)

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Mikasa is not Evil, but she's slowly falling under the influence...such as her actions when facing Historia just as she's about to kill Ymir indicates that she's willing to cover her hands in blood to get the job done, even if it meant slicing through Historia, even after being begged no too.
If being ready to cover her hands with blood to get the job done is a signal of Mikasa falling under the influence of evil, then what does it signal for Annie? She is way past that readiness, she has countless lives on her hands, all sacrificed to accomplish her mission. Does that mean she is evil? Or is it a double standard for Mikasa and Annie?

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Look I don't really hate Mikasa, as I said she's a brilliant character! But when it comes to a relationship! Is Mikasa right for Eren? That's the question!!!?????
No, that's NOT the question. See, you're constantly looking at the whole thing from the shipping point, which shoudln't be the case if we're supposed to evaluate the characters independently and objectively. Forget all about Eren and his relationship with both Annie and Mikasa. Only apply those AFTER you look at their actions and choices and only then try to make a sense of it. Otherwise you will just stretch and bend their actions and words to make them fit this template.

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Well... doesn't that one statement change everything then?
The way you said it basically comes to that, that Annie, Reiner and Bert can't be hated. It is Female, Collosal and Armor Titans' that have to be hated.
Nope. They retain their consciousness while transformed, so you can't just separate their titan forms from their human forms. They DO act more instinctively, yes, but that doesn't mean they're excused for their actions, as they transform KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY in the first place. If Annie, Eren, Bertholt and Reiner all transformed by accident only, like Eren did the first time, then it would cast a different light on the whole matter, but as soon as they started doing it consciously (Eren too, when fighting Annie), they are just as much responsible for their actions in titan form as in human form in my opinion. So yes, even though it was for a greater cause (each in their own mind), both Annie and Eren have a lot of blood on their hands. Same goes for Reiner and Bertholt, and they're aware of that themselves - otherwise they wouldn't feel bad about revealing the truth to Eren, which they clearly do (and then there's Bertholt moment of breakdown, when he screams "Who do you think wants to kill people?!")

There are many moral layers to the whole titan ordeal, let's not simplify it to either "they're bad" or "they're good". Shingeki no Kyojin tells us constantly that the world is a cruel place and it's survival of the fittest, and that to win you sometimes have to abandon your humanity, but at the same time it never tells us that doing so cleans you of all responsibility for the pain you cause, quite contrary.
It's a war out there, and both sides have their own story to tell, their own heroic deeds and despicable secrets.
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Old 2014-01-27, 22:08   Link #2062
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Wait what? The story is good but the characters are bad? O_O
I'm not saying the characters are bad, just that the story is so much better.
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Old 2014-01-27, 22:21   Link #2063
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Hollow, I recognized you somewhere else, but I think you need to stop now. Even though I'm in the same ship as yours, but I don't waste my time being butthurt over the other shippers undermining. Please simmer down and take a deep breath of fresh air. Stop misleading us or face the infraction.
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Old 2014-01-28, 02:49   Link #2064
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Whooaaaa, you went too far there. As much as the part about religion being right (SnK DOES seem to dislike religious movements a bit), then the part about 7 sins makes no sense whatsoever and you seem to not even know what each sin represents. "Gluttony" for Jean and "Greed" for Sasha? If anything, Sasha would be Gluttony. But still everything else is far-fetched and doesn't fit at all (especially with Armin representing Pride when he is one of the most docile and timid character out there, only beginning to change now)
If anything, then Eren would be "Wrath" himself though.
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Old 2014-01-28, 05:26   Link #2065
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If anything, then Eren would be "Wrath" himself though.
You're right GreyZone since Anger seems to be the source of what triggers his shifting.

@Xero8420 I promise I'll stop, though I'm madly in love with these two adorable character Annie and Eren, I promise I'll keep my feelings to myself even when opinions clash.

However...

It's nice to meet you again! And yes you do recognize me, and I recognize you since we met on another forum.
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Old 2014-01-28, 06:29   Link #2066
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@Xero8420 I promise I'll stop, though I'm madly in love with these two adorable character Annie and Eren, I promise I'll keep my feelings to myself even when opinions clash.
There's nothing wrong with that. Annie is a great character, probably one of the most developed ones so far (but that can still change, we still don't know everything about others). Though it's important to remember where to draw the line.
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Old 2014-01-30, 14:12   Link #2067
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There's nothing wrong with that. Annie is a great character, probably one of the most developed ones so far (but that can still change, we still don't know everything about others). Though it's important to remember where to draw the line.
I promise to you that I won't go overboard.

About the character development....!!!?

You know I really would love to see more of Daddy Yeager's history, and his involvement with making artificial Titan Shifters. I believe that Eren isn't a natural born Titan Shifter like Annie, Reiner and Bertholt, since they seem to be more in control of their Titan Shifting abilities, and we have yet to find out what Erens Titan affinity is? I mean we have Annie who has the ability to crystallize, Reiner to create Armor around his body to use as a shield, Bertholt's Steam ability. Could there be more tribes of Titan Shifters out there, and what are they capable of?

I believe the reason why Annie's father taught Annie in harsh conditions was to make her more adept to her Titan shifting transition as she was a child, and this seems to be present in her exceptional control of her Titan form. Though seeing her father techniques as being useless! They seem to be more refined, and in control, such as to say that her body seems to work well with her Titan form. Also her ability to crystallize seems to be a form of her internal characteristics, the purity of it suggests that, though she's cold as ice, she's actually pure in nature and character and visible, since her titan form seems more naked and feminine in comparison to Ymir's, which can be interpreted as being frail and weak. But Annie's crystal form shows her true self, meaning she's strong/er and more matured.

And this can be seen since Annie's more mature in nature then that of her own peers.

However her fathers seems to have a code of conduct which suggest that he's probably rich and wealthy...I mean just read it and listen to yourself speak his surname "Leonardt" < rich mans surname.

Reiners Titan form seems more brutish, and due to him being a natural born Titan shifter, suggests that his Titan trait as being something akin to being dense, or rather destructive...as you saw his first intoduction where he broke through Wall Maria and then later developing a rather double identity or bipolar nature to him, which suggests that Reiner is like a caged animal, one side he's kind and considerate of other, even playing a big brother figure to Eren, Armin, Jean and Annie, and the next turning rather irky, and jumpy and violent in Nature. His Armor seems to be a form of protection, since he's warrior minded, his armor looks almost similar to knight armor, or a shell so to speak! A shell to hold his true self from coming through.

Bipolar in nature, developing 2 identities.

Although I do think he means well...I never hated him in the first place

Betholt being a natural born Titan himself, seems to suggest that he's not only powerful but slow in nature, due to his size...comes into the concept of him being more easily angered as seen when Armin bluffed/manipulated a reaction from him, using Annie his crush so to speak as a source of angering him, and turning him into a volatile and violent person. Though his size seems to suggest that he's big hearted, and being easily angered coupled with his lack in confidence suggest that he will most likely hesitate first, but out of anger and the lack of intelligence jump into the battlefield, and out of his own foolishness and steam will probably cost him dearly and probably die, because of his slow movements. Bertholt also seems to be a natural born Titan shifter, and seems to have good control of his Titan form, just like Reiner and Annie...though Annie's form seems to be more refined, and mature in Nature.

Ymir is a beauty make no mistake, and her adoration for Historia seems to come really into focus after she aqcuires her Titan form, killing Bertholts and Reiner's friend and family in front of them robbing him of his Titan form. I too believe that she was able to transfer their power into her own. Though the Titan remains more masculine than feminine, I believe that her character is somewhat influenced by masculine principle which seems to bring the context of her lover Historia. I haven't got a problem with two females showing love for one another....and to tell you the truth! I love this couple, I really do since they're just too cute when they're together, and I really would like to see Ymir and Historia's history be explained a little bit in detail.

Eren Yeager's Titan looks to be a synthetic version of Annie's, Reiner's and Bertholts, since his was an injection/transfusion whereby his father used him as an experiment...and I believe that the key he has, seems to have some sort of connection to it. And I believe that Dr Yeager himself was experimenting on how to turn humans into Titans with the help of Dr. Moto himself...although it doesn't seem to be in perfect synch with Eren, since he constantly had difficulty controlling his Titan form from going berserk, and go berserk as well. We still haven't found out what his Titan ability is? Or what Eren can do, since he has a terrible time hardening his own skin, but I do believe that Annie can help him with this problem! The problem is how to get her out of her crystal form. Although his ability seems to suggest that it may be fire as seen when he fought Annie, in his berserk form.

I truly Believe Annie is the only one who can help him, learn how to harden.......<dirty thought in process.

I also believe that this Tribe would be better suited for Eren to live his life on, and the idea of Annie kidnapping him for a mission was to say that he doesn't belong within the Walls, and that his destiny is to become a warrior, since Shifters are warriors, and his mutual connection to Annie seems to suggest that he's not supposed to live within the confines of the Walls. I think that Dr Yeager is leading this army, since he's not returned back from his mission...and the titans in the walls, seem to be some form of bodyguards to protect, or probably to use as tools in an event of war.

I'm really curious about those Titans in the walls, and the Ape titan too...it's facial features seem to be similar to Dr Yeager's, but it's too early to presume.
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Old 2014-01-31, 00:29   Link #2068
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Underlined Part is what makes a lot of people wonder about the page where the Top 10 are shown.

1st Page:
Historia
Sasha
Connie
Marco
Jean

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Eren
Annie
Bertholdt
Reiner

Mikasa

It's one of the reasons why I like the possibility of another Shifter being within the 6th to 10th and the more I re-read the Manga the more I think Sasha could be one as well as Marco's killer.
Eren,annie,Berthold,Reiner... And if Mikasa are a shifter? Like Eren is... I don't read the first 30 chapters, but i think that is really weird the sparkling effects when mikasa killed her kinnapter in the anime, and i sometimes think if it was just stilistic..


Also, i have some doubts.

1) someone said (don't remember where) about a reason to the titans eat the humans... I see all the anime and read the manga before chapter 32, and found no reason to this... It was said somewere? Because really make no sense, they could just kill like annie have done, why eat? why not just crush?

2) Why "normal titans" attack the shifters?
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Old 2014-01-31, 13:12   Link #2069
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However the fact that Reiner wants to marry Historia is as much as canon. As long as Historia doesn't make a stand this is a triangle!
Now if Berthold was secretly in love with Reiner this would get pretty interesting.
Even though he does want to marry her, the way she is around Ymir signifies a relationship where nothing really needs to be said, and like Ymir is clearly in love with Christa given the fact that; she, Ymir, is a lesbian; Christa obviously feels the same way. And from a few things I read, Reiner is gay. So, sorry to stamp on your parade. Lel.
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Old 2014-01-31, 15:24   Link #2070
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Even though he does want to marry her, the way she is around Ymir signifies a relationship where nothing really needs to be said, and like Ymir is clearly in love with Christa given the fact that; she, Ymir, is a lesbian; Christa obviously feels the same way. And from a few things I read, Reiner is gay. So, sorry to stamp on your parade. Lel.
The whole "I want to marry her" is just that, Reiner's appreciation and approval of Christa's good nature, as it is heavily implied that Reiner is homosexual. Also, Bertholt joining the triangle is highly unprobable as he has a sweet spot for Annie and is infatuated with her.
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Old 2014-01-31, 16:59   Link #2071
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The whole "I want to marry her" is just that, Reiner's appreciation and approval of Christa's good nature, as it is heavily implied that Reiner is homosexual. Also, Bertholt joining the triangle is highly unprobable as he has a sweet spot for Annie and is infatuated with her.
Although the feeling is not mutual in Annie's behalf...Annie can't stand being around Bertholt, because Bertholt reminds her of what she is a "monster" and Annie hates it.

Even after being complimented by Reiner and Bertholt in the underground after Annie saved her friends from being killed...as she was complimented, she just looked at those two as to say "Whatever" and as she walked away it suggested that her thoughts were more like as though Annie was saying "Piss Off" to them both.

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Old 2014-02-01, 05:25   Link #2072
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Although the feeling is not mutual in Annie's behalf...Annie can't stand being around Bertholt, because Bertholt reminds her of what she is a "monster" and Annie hates it.

Even after being complimented by Reiner and Bertholt in the underground after Annie saved her friends from being killed...as she was complimented, she just looked at those two as to say "Whatever" and as she walked away it suggested that her thoughts were more like as though Annie was saying "Piss Off" to them both.
Yeah, she certainly doesn't feel comfortable around them. Who knows, maybe it has something to do with how they met - remember, at first it was Berwick assigned to the mission with them, but he got eaten by Ymir. Then, somehow, Annie replaced him - maybe she didn't want any of it and ended up blaming Reiner and Bertholtd for dragging her into this mission. That might have been one way it happened, but that's speculation only.
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Old 2014-02-05, 08:58   Link #2074
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Lol poor Armin. And wonder what Historia and Eren are talking about. Only a few more days until it comes out _
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Old 2014-02-05, 17:45   Link #2075
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Lol poor Armin. And wonder what Historia and Eren are talking about. Only a few more days until it comes out _
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Levi looks so epic there 8D
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Old 2014-02-06, 03:47   Link #2078
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full chinese raw is out, translations on crunchyroll only 2 more days.
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Old 2014-02-06, 06:25   Link #2079
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fanscans are arleady out , seems like we got a good hint about that woman.Seems like she has
a power maybe similar to Eren and she may be the one who could teach him how to use it if they manage to find her and is still alive
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Old 2014-02-06, 06:39   Link #2080
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It seems the fanscanlation this time has better translation quality, as this time the grammar seemed to be correct at least. Not as if I have much choice anyway, since I am from one of the few countries that have no access to crunchyroll manga.
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