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Old 2011-10-27, 02:30   Link #1221
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before the apocalypse, (from what I've watched) the supernatural events happen around the world like the dead rising, horsemen of apocalypse appear, etc

in Episode 3 Asama said that currently supernatural events going on around the world as the rumoured Apocalypse approaches, including the spirited away/lost nobles

and then Ghost loli made appearances in episode 4 (Can I assume this as the dead rising?)

that's why I thought that this anime is referencing to the bible (for apocalypse part)

and sorry for my poor explanation
Supernatural (TV series), though they do follow some things accurately, most of their stuff are their own lores that they create, or rather interpret (cough, dragons...>.>)

But that said, when it comes to the end of the world, it's only 'natural' that alot of mess up things happen This is pretty true for any civilization.
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Old 2011-10-27, 02:30   Link #1222
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You know what I find most amusing about all the bitching with Horizon? It's that it reminds me of my experiences with Fate/Zero? Were it not for having the opportunity to watch Fate/Stay Night and having the benefit of knowing someone who I can ask questions to about things I don't get right off the bat (I don't really see this as problem by the way) I'd probably be about where I am now with this show. Piecing things together by the episode and working out who people are and what they are talking about.

Funny that both shows should be paced for two cours (a fact many people seem strangely unaware of even though it should be obvious) and taking the same slow approach with lots of characters appearing all at once and scheming in the background and yet one is this godlike show to people and the other "too confusing".

And yeah it really sounds like a lot of people aren't taking the opportunity to watch the legal TAN version of the show. It would definitely account for the seeming absolute and utter confusion that seems rampant with a lot people's reaction to this show. Other than that the only other thing I can think of is impatience and/or not paying attention. I really don't see this as being too differently executed than your average large scale sci-fi/fantasy franchise. There's always lots of characters in these and it's often a slow build and the kick into high gear is on pace if maybe one episode later than usual, so it could just be that people still aren't able to handle shows like these anymore. Can't remember the last show with a mammoth cast that wasn't from some internationally well known VN/LN franchise that didn't get criticized a lot for it.
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Old 2011-10-27, 02:32   Link #1223
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I hope you didn't just generalize the fanbase of Horizon based on a single anecdote.
Of course not. Who would do that instead of actually watching all the episodes that have aired while giving it a chance?

(Except trolls)
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Old 2011-10-27, 02:40   Link #1224
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and yet one is this godlike show to people and the other "too confusing".
It's probably due to the influence of Gen Urobuchi's presence in the series.

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I feel conflicted with your custom title.
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Old 2011-10-27, 03:03   Link #1225
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It's probably due to the influence of Gen Urobuchi's presence in the series.

I feel conflicted with your custom title.
Yeah I've been told that's it too. I wonder how much of it is fans of the actual Fate and how much of it is fans looking to bandwagon on the latest popular writer. Also Archon isn't a real hater, you'd have to visit 4Chan or MAL for that. Lately I'd say MAL has the edge though.
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Old 2011-10-27, 03:03   Link #1226
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I feel conflicted with your custom title.
It's ok. That was intentional. Though I try to give everything a chance, especially if people tell me as such.
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Old 2011-10-27, 03:25   Link #1227
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Gods of War (alternate translation: Divine Armaments) are actually piloted by humans who are merged with the unit. How they exactly work is unknown.
I think it's exactly as you say. They are assimilated in such a way that the operator is a permanent fusion. I mean looking at this scene, the guy clearly had his hand on the transmitter. If there's a pilot sitting in the thing like a Gundam, this kind of hand movement will not occur.

Another thing that I don't think that will be explained in the anime is that Kazuno can't just spam that cannon; as you guys can see in beginning of episode 4, she is gravity based control power (all robots have that, that's how you see one of them stuck on the side of the hill back in episode 3 before ambushing that watcher), using that force as propulsion for that kind of distance will cause her body to overheat (in a bad way). I'm surprised nobody complained about some of these "obvious" bugs in the story (unlike GC thread everyone just nitpicked every single damn thing that went unexplained).

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Yeah I've been told that's it too. I wonder how much of it is fans of the actual Fate and how much of it is fans looking to bandwagon on the latest popular writer. Also Archon isn't a real hater, you'd have to visit 4Chan or MAL for that. Lately I'd say MAL has the edge though.
I jumped the wagon for Ono x Urahata (that's before I even looked that much into the light novel). I mean for non-Saki watchers they wouldn't be impressed by Ono, but I at least thought having Monster his belt, Urahata would boost people's confidence in faithful adaptation without making it boring. Instead, we get a ton of loldragonautlolol comments pre-airing.
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Old 2011-10-27, 03:37   Link #1228
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Another thing that I don't think that will be explained in the anime is that Kazuno can't just spam that cannon; as you guys can see in beginning of episode 4, she is gravity based control power (all robots have that, that's how you see one of them stuck on the side of the hill back in episode 3 before ambushing that watcher), using that force as propulsion for that kind of distance will cause her body to overheat (in a bad way). I'm surprised nobody complained about some of these "obvious" bugs in the story (unlike GC thread everyone just nitpicked every single damn thing that went unexplained).
See I just assumed she isn't trying to destroy the enemies but simply buying time for the reactor thing to finish going kaboom or whatever it is that is happening. That seems to be all most of them are doing at least from what was shown in ep 4.
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Old 2011-10-27, 03:45   Link #1229
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I just assumed she couldn't, because right after the first ship got shot, the second one immediately turn on its "Defensa" or something, which I think she knew it's no use to shoot at.
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Old 2011-10-27, 03:47   Link #1230
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Another thing that I don't think that will be explained in the anime is that Kazuno can't just spam that cannon; as you guys can see in beginning of episode 4, she is gravity based control power (all robots have that, that's how you see one of them stuck on the side of the hill back in episode 3 before ambushing that watcher), using that force as propulsion for that kind of distance will cause her body to overheat (in a bad way). I'm surprised nobody complained about some of these "obvious" bugs in the story (unlike GC thread everyone just nitpicked every single damn thing that went unexplained).
I just assumed that powerful weapons have long cooldown time, and that the ground infantries are approaching so she has to engage them first.

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Funny that both shows should be paced for two cours (a fact many people seem strangely unaware of even though it should be obvious) and taking the same slow approach with lots of characters appearing all at once and scheming in the background and yet one is this godlike show to people and the other "too confusing".

Well I think it's because there are actually less things to absorb in Fate/Zero than in Horizon, not because of F/SN but rather because the world of Fate/Zero is pretty much the same as our modern world, but Horizon is like High Fantasy and Extreme Science Fiction rolled up into one- it has almost zero resemblance to anything we can relate, which means we have to learn everything from scratch- Everything from History to Geography to even their slangs.

Then another thing I've noticed is that Horizon's characters have more difficult names to remember, and if your feudal Japanese history is not up to snuff, alot will fly over your head.
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Old 2011-10-27, 04:53   Link #1231
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That powerful cannon only have 1 canon ball, and she is lazy to reload or she is unable to find an extra canon ball .
about the Kazuna overheat thing..
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Old 2011-10-27, 07:54   Link #1232
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Another difference between Horizon and F/Z, imo, is that while F/Z spend 40min just doing character background and lots of chatting (while walking in circles) without much action, Horizon ep1 is full of it.

The thing is in Horizon ep1 you got one awesome fluid fight sequence from start to finish, then greeted by one weird background story setting rushed out in the final minute or so. The people who got hooked by the fight will get let down by amount of talking and time jumping in the next two episodes. Heck, some people i know actually still wonder why the "confession", being 'the main focus of this series', is so lackluster after that flashback. People who are into sci-fi shows that I know got put off by the colourful cast and the boob size.

Fate zero does the solid thing of slowly progressing through the time line, while giving each camp enough time to develop their own side story without too much background knowledge required.

My point is, the difference in the first episode builds up two different types of expectations on the following two episodes. While Horizon does have a lot more to cover, it also suffers from the fact that the first episode might draw in a large contingent of completely unsuitable crowd.
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Old 2011-10-27, 07:57   Link #1233
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Again, all that can be summarized by what I've said about the difference in World setting.

Fate/Zero has less things it needs to explain.
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Old 2011-10-27, 08:19   Link #1234
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Funniest thing, I know some people who call it "just another generic harem series".

What I'm trying to say is that, even if the world setting is the same, the differences in the expectation will cause a lot of conflicts
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Old 2011-10-27, 08:34   Link #1235
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The thing is in Horizon ep1 you got one awesome fluid fight sequence from start to finish, then greeted by one weird background story setting rushed out in the final minute or so. The people who got hooked by the fight will get let down by amount of talking and time jumping in the next two episodes. Heck, some people i know actually still wonder why the "confession", being 'the main focus of this series', is so lackluster after that flashback. People who are into sci-fi shows that I know got put off by the colourful cast and the boob size.
ah that 1 minute on the end of ep 1 was already explained on the synopsis. then, in the end of ep 1 kimi already said that this will be a very busy day, so it's their own fault for being impatience.
and I agree with Kaioshin Sama about impatience. also about boob size, there's a lot of pettanko, don't just saw the bigger one, beside the bust size was already reduced compare to the novel just like Duo Maxwell's said.

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Funniest thing, I know some people who call it "just another generic harem series".
hoo? this is generic harem? did they say that out of stress for not undestanding the story of this anime?
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Old 2011-10-27, 08:41   Link #1236
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The show for me starts at Ep2... Ep1 is like a "overly long trailer"
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Old 2011-10-27, 08:56   Link #1237
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The show for me starts at Ep2... Ep1 is like a "overly long trailer"
we need episode 1 to know every characters ability, well at least we know they are going to use it again for the upcoming war(?)
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Old 2011-10-27, 09:23   Link #1238
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Funniest thing, I know some people who call it "just another generic harem series".
Really now? If there are two words I wouldn't associate with this show, they would be generic and harem. Well some girls do remind of harem stereotypes but still I haven't seen any harem here.
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Old 2011-10-27, 09:49   Link #1239
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Really now? If there are two words I wouldn't associate with this show, they would be generic and harem. Well some girls do remind of harem stereotypes but still I haven't seen any harem here.
maybe because they only watch ep 1, when they saw a lot of female cast, they didn't pay much attention to anything else and quickly claimed it as another IS or another generic harem.

if they already watch until ep 4 and still say this is generic harem anime =

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Another thing that I don't think that will be explained in the anime is that Kazuno can't just spam that cannon; as you guys can see in beginning of episode 4, she is gravity based control power (all robots have that, that's how you see one of them stuck on the side of the hill back in episode 3 before ambushing that watcher), using that force as propulsion for that kind of distance will cause her body to overheat (in a bad way). I'm surprised nobody complained about some of these "obvious" bugs in the story (unlike GC thread everyone just nitpicked every single damn thing that went unexplained).
as for me, I usually didn't pay attention to that much detail when I was carried away because of the cool BGM + badass action scene~
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Old 2011-10-27, 09:52   Link #1240
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There is no trace of girls really liking the MC yet. Even though some people named some characters who like Aoi but so far. I haven't seen that yet.
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