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Old 2011-10-28, 02:47   Link #1281
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^ I believe that Gintama and Inuyasha are sunrise's show as well
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Old 2011-10-28, 02:49   Link #1282
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What next season? It's getting 2 cours aka "one season" of 24-26 episodes. The only other show Sunrise has ever done a S2 for is Code Geass. (Besides Gundam) Even if they would greenlight a 2nd season, that would air like 1-2 years from now, and take you up to what? 10-15% of the story?

It's like 3x3 Eyes getting 9 episodes that cover 3 volumes, when it ran 39 total. Or Bastard!! getting 6 episodes when it went like 40 vols.
as far as I know, ep 1-5 are from vol.1 book 1. the rest are from vol.1 book 2.

what I mean by next season is adaptation of vol 2 next year.

why I said 'season'? well, it just my habit since I read page 9
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Production is going well as 1st season (woot! reconfirming two seasons are planned)'s scenario's already done, as well as half the work that are shifting to the animation phase.
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Old 2011-10-28, 03:06   Link #1283
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It seems there's a shocking number of people who have already seen the confession
yep. Those people are similar to the ones who mistaken the setup of a joke as the punchline and quit before hearing it.

Hilarious and worth of a face palm at the same time.

(it's like calling "THIS HERO IS OP!!" by just looking at his demo video without really face/use him in the actual game itself....)
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Old 2011-10-28, 03:20   Link #1284
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Your opinion regarding the scripting decision is pretty well presented. In fact, just having at least one other person (thundrakkon) agreeing with you means the idea definitely deserves merit. Furthermore, you discern the major 3 plots in the story, which means you definitely did watch the episode and processed the information instead of just coming in and "go this sucks" and "I don't get it", and this is definitely not "too deep for you".

Though I think you might've came on too strong and absolute in your response. "In my opinion" is obviously implied for every single discussion post people made on internet, but just typing that out would have everyone else agreeing with you (or at least made it much more irrefutable).

However, there are one thing I disagree with from your posts.

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Basically this is an example of a series that caters directly to the fans of the LNs, with not much consideration made to new viewers. Similar to Idolmaster, Itsuka Tenma, etc. They bank on the reader-base buying into the series more than they hope to use the series to bolster LN sales.
This is not true.

Episode 1: LN fans orgasmed and said it's the best adaptation ever made. Anime fans = wtf's going on this sucks.
Episode 2+3: LN fans said Sunrise lied to them for massively axing the materials. Anime fans = this is getting more interesting.
Episode 4: AWESOME ANIMATION (from both sides; complaining about materials axing still continued, but anime only fans still think it's interesting).

You can argue that Urahata did a poor script that end up just failing to please both sides, and this actually supports your perspective; yet, flipping it on the other side also means both LN and anime fans are pleased somewhat still (and I think that's why Duo Maxwell brought up the sales figure).

As for the sales, what you said is true, but there is the last scenario, which is that good shows get good sales. Japanese doesn't have terrible taste every single time sales is good .
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Old 2011-10-28, 04:16   Link #1285
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You know what's ironic? It's actually harder to please the fans of the LN than it is to please the Anime viewers This is true for every adaptation I've seen.
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Old 2011-10-28, 04:38   Link #1286
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I know people will pull out the "Japan has terrible taste" card when I talk about sale figure. It's like their taste is the only superior one. People on this forum must has terrible taste as well.
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Old 2011-10-28, 05:17   Link #1287
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Basically this is an example of a series that caters directly to the fans of the LNs, with not much consideration made to new viewers. Similar to Idolmaster, Itsuka Tenma, etc. They bank on the reader-base buying into the series more than they hope to use the series to bolster LN sales.
isn't that a good thing?.. Sometimes Anime are too generic and simple,it make me want to drop or don't bother to even read its manga/light novel.

Anyway,as long as this Anime sells. Nothing really matter
Good sells = good Anime
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Old 2011-10-28, 06:00   Link #1288
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isn't that a good thing?.. Sometimes Anime are too generic and simple,it make me want to drop or don't bother to even read its manga/light novel.

Anyway,as long as this Anime sells. Nothing really matter
Good sells = good Anime
yeah I agree we need something a bit different once in a while. and hopefully with this, next season/vol2/whateverwecallit will get more episode slot

btw MorningGlory, just want to ask, did you already read the LN?
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Old 2011-10-28, 06:42   Link #1289
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yes, I read the Novel but I haven't even finish 1st volume

100page for one episode for this season. You hoping it to make it 50page for one episode for next season?
Some Anime can even adapt 350page in one episode, I think the adaption for this is good.Its just that our brain is slow, re-watch a few time will solve the problem =)
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:05   Link #1290
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A better adaptation would have been to do it this way:
Needless dribble
Glad you're not directing the anime. Doing this would completely undercut the point of the first 3 episodes and shows you don't know what you're talking about and fail to analyze literature.

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And sales have little bearing on the quality of a show. A lot of the best shows get mediocre sales because they don't appeal to the gutter fans of broadest appeal. Gundam Seed Destiny sold like 80k units per volume and it was terrible overall. Infinite Stratos is one giant cliche trope factory and it got like 40-50k units per volume.
Two examples out of...over 50 other blockbuster titles. Most shows that bomb bomb for a reason, and more often than not it's because they were bad or too flawed. I can't name you one show that I have thought was genuinely good and a quality watch that did not sale well, not one. This is coming from someone who knows more about Japanese sales than over 95% of the western fanbase. Face it, just because you don't understand the show and are too lazy to attempt to do so doesn't make it bad, nor does it make the Japanese sniveling peons.

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Basically this is an example of a series that caters directly to the fans of the LNs, with not much consideration made to new viewers. Similar to Idolmaster, Itsuka Tenma, etc. They bank on the reader-base buying into the series more than they hope to use the series to bolster LN sales.
I guess that's why they go specifically out of their way to explain every detail about the setting and the current plot leading to the infodumps that you find so confusing? They're not catering to LN fans, at the most they give them a nod by throwing in some superfluous stuff you won't understand unless you've read the novels. You just lack the tact or attention span to grasp what is being presented in the anime and just blaming it on the anime staff catering to novel readers. So petty.

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What next season? It's getting 2 cours aka "one season" of 24-26 episodes. The only other show Sunrise has ever done a S2 for is Code Geass. (Besides Gundam) Even if they would greenlight a 2nd season, that would air like 1-2 years from now, and take you up to what? 10-15% of the story?
They have also never adapted an on-going light novel series before...please use your head and do more research on subjects before throwing out general and rash statements that make you look silly.
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:42   Link #1291
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People on this forum must has terrible taste as well.
Oh yeah we're the worst It's all these darn slice-of-life, angsty-drama and Yuri shows...

Terrible... Terrible taste indeed...

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Glad you're not directing the anime. Doing this would completely undercut the point of the first 3 episodes and shows you don't know what you're talking about and fail to analyze literature.
Calm down Suzuku...

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Two examples out of...over 50 other blockbuster titles. Most shows that bomb bomb for a reason, and more often than not it's because they were bad or too flawed. I can't name you one show that I have thought was genuinely good and a quality watch that did not sale well, not one. This is coming from someone who knows more about Japanese sales than over 95% of the western fanbase. Face it, just because you don't understand the show and are too lazy to attempt to do so doesn't make it bad, nor does it make the Japanese sniveling peons.
I could think of a few shows that I thought deserved better... Just saying... >.>


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I guess that's why they go specifically out of their way to explain every detail about the setting and the current plot leading to the infodumps that you find so confusing? They're not catering to LN fans, at the most they give them a nod by throwing in some superfluous stuff you won't understand unless you've read the novels. You just lack the tact or attention span to grasp what is being presented in the anime and just blaming it on the anime staff catering to novel readers. So petty.


They have also never adapted an on-going light novel series before...please use your head and do more research on subjects before throwing out general and rash statements that make you look silly.
Calm down Suzuku... Direct insults only makes us look bad...
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Old 2011-10-28, 08:25   Link #1292
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not everyone willing to spend their time to learn Japanese and read it and most people prefer everything to be spoon feed from Anime.....
People are judging this Anime too objectively, too much critic =(
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Old 2011-10-28, 08:57   Link #1293
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not everyone willing to spend their time to learn Japanese and read it and most people prefer everything to be spoon feed from Anime.....
People are judging this Anime too objectively, too much critic =(
Spoon feed might be a bit too harsh .

This brings up a good point though. The series is probably targeted at a more mature crowd I think. The novel never had crazy outlandish sales, and for the most part Kawakami's fame kinda just lurked in the background. Just to quote thelastguardian from the Baka-Tsuki forum.

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(Just to chip in from my experience with this author's other work)

I feel oblige to say something due to the amount of flame/trolling everywhere on the internet (well, everywhere save 2ch).

I for one do not plan on translating it, and here is my reason. When I began reading his previous work, 終わりのクロニクル, I have not been so overwhelmed since I read Lord of the Rings. The writing style is a bit hard to read, but that I can deal with (more like high-school level instead of elementary level most light novels at). It is the assumption that you know what's going on that did me in. It's a bit like watching Star Wars Episode 4 without the scrolling info dump at the start, or reading Neuromencer.

That's not to say the story is bad. I like 終わりのクロニクル. Even though I feel it is a bit similar to Baccano (which I can never get into), I like its plot and band of quirky characters. I also love how imaginative its author is. I often have trouble imagining his scenes due to how outlandish they are, even though he is meticulous in his description.

He himself designed not only the plot, but character settings, geographical drawings, even character costumes.

I once recalled another person describing his novels- "You don't pick the book; The book picksyou." If the book clicks with you, you will love it.

And as far as I can tell, Horizon is both more popular and better acclaimed than 終わりのクロニクル.

So screw the haters. Haters gonna hate and passerbys gonna pass by. Even though I don't feel like reading the book, I will be keeping a keen eye on the anime.
This post pretty much sums up my thought extremely well. For the record, OnC didn't have a glossary, only character map; I think Kawakami learned from writing OnC that he probably needed to have that glossary for Horizon.
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Old 2011-10-28, 09:07   Link #1294
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Err, finished eps 4... (third time)

I find some conflicting fact (or is it not?)...
Masazumi says that on Far East, politician is students, and students have max age of 18...
So what position does Honda Tadakatsu, Matsudaira, Masanobu, or Tadatsugu holds??

Are they still politician??
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Old 2011-10-28, 09:23   Link #1295
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Do Kimi had brother complex? The way she hugged Aoi is somewhat a romantic one...Maybe I just think too much.
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Old 2011-10-28, 10:04   Link #1297
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yes, I read the Novel but I haven't even finish 1st volume

100page for one episode for this season. You hoping it to make it 50page for one episode for next season?
Some Anime can even adapt 350page in one episode, I think the adaption for this is good.Its just that our brain is slow, re-watch a few time will solve the problem =)
lol that's true 5 ep from 500 pages meaning 1 episode from 100 pages.
hm I saw on page 1 on this topic that vol.2 reached 2k pages, so it means 20 episodes?
if it only 13 episodes, somehow I think more 'I dont understand' critics will come (even though I didn't read spoiler for vol. 2 yet)

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Do Kimi had brother complex? The way she hugged Aoi is somewhat a romantic one...Maybe I just think too much.
tbh, my attention goes to kimi/sensei when kimi brush sensei's hair on ep 3
I think, I'm the one who think too much.
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Old 2011-10-28, 11:27   Link #1298
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I thought some might get a laugh out of this. I had waited for a better version than theirs so I didn't know firsthand but wow after seeing these I'm amazed people are still watching their version.

https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/2903...0Comp?h=0f281e
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Old 2011-10-28, 11:56   Link #1299
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Are they still politician??
Politicians without any real power whatsoever.
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Old 2011-10-28, 12:20   Link #1300
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Hmm... this episode was pretty interesting since there was a lot more action going on than in the previous one.
Well, it's about time they get to a more established storyline.
The ghost part was not too necessary, but it was still kinda fun ^^
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