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Old 2012-08-29, 17:05   Link #201
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Well, considering it IS a military chain of command, of course the PT Field Commander(Kyosuke) is going to factor heavily into split-second decisions.
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Old 2012-08-29, 21:20   Link #202
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That still doesn't change that before he joined up with Kyosuke he was actually a leader and did things on his own. The moment he joined Kyosuke he stopped doing anything and everyone turned to Kyosuke as the leader.

And no, Kai still has story left while Kyosuke doesn't. If anything Kyosuke is a background character, literally. He's only there to support the others because the reason he was important was wrapped up in OGG.

Not everyone can have their moments when Kyosuke stole the show and was forced down everyone's throats game after game and had an anime where he was thrust as the main lead and everyone else was toned down so he could shine even more brightly.
Mind enlightening me which game have kyosuke stole the show again? In ogg, he's actually a background chara whose significance was making axel looks to be a good guy by having him saving lamia. Og2, he's the main character. Og 1 was supposed to be ryuusei's if you take hos route. Anime doesn't count because it's an adaptation of og2, where he is the main character. Did I miss any og games? I think it's just prejudice on your side about kyosuke. Kyosuke's position has been established to be something akin to amuro or bright in normal srw, leader of the group who has no significance to te story.

As for him stealing the show from Kai, Kai has always been supposed to be the mentor character from the start, just like Risshu or Daitetsu. It's just that he's so awesome that people make him to be something he's supposed not to be.
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Old 2012-08-30, 00:46   Link #203
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Lets see, OG2, OVA, Inspectors, OGG(A part of it used the Ova story where Kyosuke was the main character) and how everyone differs to Kyosuke when he's around. You never see anyone ask Kai anything if Kyosuke is there even though Kai is a veteran warrior tha has far more experience than him.

Yes it does count, it's called overload. Most people that have played the games have watched the Animes and everything recent was Kyosuke, Kyosuke, Kyosuke. Now that Kyosuke no longer has story signifigience people don't want him stealing the show. They want to see the new blood and mecha like the Raioh.

That and Kyosuke has no more mecha upgrades so what you see from now on is what you get.

Yet even though Kyosuke is a mentor character now that has o story they're playing him up like he's still a main character when he isn't.
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Old 2012-08-30, 01:03   Link #204
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Again, inspector is just adaptation of og2 and ova is adaptation of ogg early stage. So you're saying you expect them to change the lead character when they're adapting -_-". That's just you and your personal prejudice speaking isn't it? It's like telling someone to change the main character to luigi in an adaptation of super mario. Og2 has always been about kyosuke, just as the final boss indicate, so it's a given the inspector will tell his story.

And let me remind again, kyousuke isn't played like a main character in ogg at all. I'm not sure if you follow the story in the game or just heard it fom someone else, but kyosuke barely has significance at all in the story. Sure, he's the leader of the group, but like I said, amuro and/or bright also played that role in normal srw and nobody accused him to steal the show. Kyosuke's significance in ogg's story is just emoing after lamia died in his hand, which open up the way for axel to redeem himself. You can replace him with any other battle harden character and the story won't change much. He's also not auto-deployed that muvh(probably only in 1 or 2 stages only)
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Old 2012-08-30, 03:55   Link #205
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Prior to joining up in OG1, he's only the leader of ONE SQUAD OF GESPENSTS, OG2, his command consists of mixed PT(Rai, Latooni), no SRs or Specials. Post OG2, still mixed PT(Arado, Seolla, Latooni). You don't command a mixed composition force with experience of mixed PT only when there's SRs(Grungust, Giganscudo, etc.) and Specials(Cybuster) to take into account. IF they ever deferred command decision to someone, it was Guilliam, given his background in the INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.

OGG was Fighter Roa/Kouta and Folka's show, featuring Axel/Alfimi and the Greydon group(SRWR) on the side.

And seriously, Inspector Anime was made by fans of SRW for fans of SRW, not fans of Kyousuke, as you're saying. It's just that OG2 happens to be the IMPACT story, which means Kyousuke gets the spotlight anyways.

And overload? How about we look at the the time gap between everything game/anime in regards to Kyousuke, eh?
(US Anime Dates are first known release to last known release, JP Anime Dates are air dates/release dates)

Compact 2: 03/2000, 09/2000, 01/2001
Impact: 02/2002
OG1JP: 11/2002
OG2JP: 02/2005
OGOVA: 05/2005-12/2005
OG1US: 08/2006
OG2US: 11/2006
Divine Wars: 10/2006-03/2007
OGs: 06/2007
OGOVA US: 10/2007-09/2008
Divine Wars US: 12/2007-09/2008
OGG: 12/2007
The Inspector: 10/2010-04/2011
OG2nd: (11/2012)

Now, factoring what the SR Produce team does in the gaps of these releases(J, W, K, L, NEO, Gakuen, etc.), would you really consider this overload? You should ask someone who follows Haruhi, Lucky Star or somesuch and see what kind of saturation overload they have going over there. Hell, look at goddamn Gundam and how much saturation there is for the ONE YEAR WAR alone.
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Old 2012-08-30, 05:05   Link #206
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Again, inspector is just adaptation of og2 and ova is adaptation of ogg early stage. So you're saying you expect them to change the lead character when they're adapting -_-". That's just you and your personal prejudice speaking isn't it? It's like telling someone to change the main character to luigi in an adaptation of super mario. Og2 has always been about kyosuke, just as the final boss indicate, so it's a given the inspector will tell his story.

And let me remind again, kyousuke isn't played like a main character in ogg at all. I'm not sure if you follow the story in the game or just heard it fom someone else, but kyosuke barely has significance at all in the story. Sure, he's the leader of the group, but like I said, amuro and/or bright also played that role in normal srw and nobody accused him to steal the show. Kyosuke's significance in ogg's story is just emoing after lamia died in his hand, which open up the way for axel to redeem himself. You can replace him with any other battle harden character and the story won't change much. He's also not auto-deployed that muvh(probably only in 1 or 2 stages only)
That changes nothing, it's still an overload of Kyosuke.

And yes, for everything OG it is an overloaded since it was Kyosuke after Kyosuke. Crowe is also altered versios of Kyosuke whom shares many traits and has a crazy obsession just like Kyosuke(Debt vs Gambling. Crowe also has the whole Risk his Life thing). Crowe's case may be intentional if they don't intent to drop the Z series into this OG verse but need a Kyosuke and Excellen(Crowe and Esther), due to the popularity of that duo, to see a new OG verse.

So hopefully in this Kyosuke will join much later and try his hardest not to butt in on the other stories other than giving advice to the new heroes. Even Sanger still has story left so if anything he should be giving far more advice and mentoring than Kyosuke since it fits his character and the @ series which OG is exploring further in this.
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Old 2012-08-30, 05:40   Link #207
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okay, how the hell is 2 games an overload?

You want to know overload, you look at goddamn Ryusei, Guilliam, or Masaki instead.

Ryusei:
Super robot spirits(N64)
Shin SRW(PSX)
Alpha Series
OG series

Guilliam:
Hero Senki: Project Olympus
SRW 4/F/FF
OG series

Masaki:
Hero Senki: Project Olympus
Masoukishin series
SRW2-4/F/FF
Alpha/Alpha Gaiden
OG Series

What does kyousuke have?
Compact 2/Impact
OG series

Take off the rose-tinted glasses and try again. Kyosuke was never Terada's favorite. That favoritism belongs to Morizumi, one of the 4 producers of Impact and currently with Monolithsoft, which worked on NxC, Endless Frontier, etc.(Morizumi's last game with the SR Produce Team was OG1 GBA.)

As for your Crowe arguement, Crowe isn't a gambler like Kyosuke is, he's just desperate to get the debt off of him, and has a partially happy-go-lucky personality to mesh in the gambling parts, WHICH ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN DURING PLOT INTERMISSIONS, unlike Kyousuke's INBATTLE long shots. And your Excellen dynamic arguement falls apart because Esther is more of a Katina than Excellen, eager to prove herself to her superiors. If there was an Excellen, then Traia Scott would be an Excellen/Isurugi Mitsuko hybrid.

The popular duo idea never stuck with SRW as much as you think, because Morizumi's the pusher for the duos.

Kyosuke/Excellen (Impact)
Reiji/Xiaomu (NxC)
Haken/Kaguya (EF)
Aledy/Neige (EF Exceed)
Kogorou/Mii (Project X Zone)

Because really, your current answer to us right now summarizes is more or less "OMG HE'S SPEAKING IN A KEY EVENT GAME IS OVERLOADED WITH KYOSUKE"

You certainly don't see people getting sick of Sanger or Elzam/Ratsel for being last-minute show stealers.

As a final word: DEAL WITH IT. He's going to have lines for sure with Ariel Org given the similarities to Lamia, not the mention her unit being made of Alteisen and Gespenst parts. And besides, he's overall PT Field Commander WHEN THE TEAM IS ON A UNIFIED ROUTE. Don't like Kyosuke? Take the other goddamn route split then.
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Old 2012-08-30, 05:47   Link #208
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Ryusei doesn't force others out of the spotlight like Kyosuke did. Take OG2 and Inspectors, Ryusei was regulated to side character. The amount of time dedicated to Kyosuke compared to Ryusei was staggering even though Ryusei had some of his story put in those.

Uhh.. Yes Crowe is. He starts off z2.1 betting everything off a coin toss but is stopped before he can see the results.

Esther is nothing like Katina, she's like Excellen with Tsundere tendencies. Katina isn't a love freak, Esther is when she falls for Crowe. That and Crowe and Esther, like Kyosuke and Excellen, meet years ago due to an accident. Than there's the DM thing where Esther quotes Excellen, word for word, about her still being human or not.

Deal with it, Kyosuke is no longer a main character. The less we see of him the better, it'll give far more deserving characters, that still have stories, much needed screentime.
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Old 2012-08-30, 06:56   Link #209
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Okay, I get it. You just plain hate Kyosuke. We already give explanation why it's necessary for Kyousuke to be in the spotlight in Inspector, but all you said is too much is too much which is like what I said, just a prejudice since 1(and arguably a quarter of OGG) out of 3 is not too much. There's nothing similar in Crowe and Kyosuke at all, but you still somehow able to connect them(Crowe's main characteristic is his love of money and his hatred of women, both not applicable to Kyousuke, and Esther is not Excellen at all since Excellen is not tsundere, she's very honest with her love toward Kyousuke). Hater is just as cumbersome as rabid fanboy when arguing so I'll just stop here.
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Old 2012-08-30, 07:10   Link #210
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Ryusei was relegated because the Alpha 1 plot was resolved in OG1. Additionally, he's not a commanding officer in any sense,which goes to Aya and Viletta. The next time he had any sort of relevant plot is OGG, since they had to play around with Alpha Gaiden's premise. And given the rising importance of psychodrivers for Alpha 2/3 plot, who's to say he won't bounce back?

Sure, Kyosuke isn't a MAIN character, but he's still a PIVOTAL one given his responsibilities for the combined force, which ISN'T something you can just shove Kai into the slot and carry on with.

Also, do you have access to the actual script for Z2.1? Because Crowe's coin toss was technically a yes/no heads/tails toss(sure he says it's the bet of the lifetime, but all of his gamble talk has been out of the cockpit), nothing LIFE THREATENING long shot gamble like what kyosuke pulls.(especially if you see what he pulled with G Forces in Record of ATX to outmanuveur the Weissritter)

Katina was out to prove that she shouldn't be passed up for all the prototypes being rolled out left and right in OG1, if you recall, and is a literal straight read for someone who is observing(Crowe mentions that Esther wears her heart on her sleeve and such. Take Katina, tone down the YAN and TSUN, crank up the DERE, add a dash of airhead, and you have Esther. Also, most of Esther's talk is based off of Crowe's quote of "So What?"(Sorega doushita), so you can't say it's an exact quote unless you go and pull the video clips/screenshots/script extracts for it.(And if there was an exact match, the JP SRW walkthrough wiki parody sections would've picked it up already, of which there is none on the matter discussed)

And despite all of the data above, you still claim that OGG was a Kyosuke game. He gets what? the Bartoll Incident(5 stages for the OVA, 4 of which are on a split), the Lamia recovery(playing second fiddle to Axel), and that's it(6 stages, out of 36). He's still the combined force field commander, so yes, he'll be "butting in" as you say, but he's doing his job.
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Old 2012-09-01, 13:06   Link #211
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Ryusei doesn't force others out of the spotlight like Kyosuke did. Take OG2 and Inspectors, Ryusei was regulated to side character. The amount of time dedicated to Kyosuke compared to Ryusei was staggering even though Ryusei had some of his story put in those.

Uhh.. Yes Crowe is. He starts off z2.1 betting everything off a coin toss but is stopped before he can see the results.

Esther is nothing like Katina, she's like Excellen with Tsundere tendencies. Katina isn't a love freak, Esther is when she falls for Crowe. That and Crowe and Esther, like Kyosuke and Excellen, meet years ago due to an accident. Than there's the DM thing where Esther quotes Excellen, word for word, about her still being human or not.

Deal with it, Kyosuke is no longer a main character. The less we see of him the better, it'll give far more deserving characters, that still have stories, much needed screentime.
Hmmm, strange....
I disagree with you completely in Gundam forum,
yet I agree with you 100% in SRW OG topic
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Old 2012-09-01, 14:25   Link #212
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OG2 is Inspectors is SRW A is half of OGS.

Seriously. you're not going to help your own argument.


Anyway, you know what develops a character? rivals

Ryusei's rivals are Balmarians

and Balmarians won't come again until they hit the Alpha 3 plot

Rai, Mai and Aya got development in OG2/OGS, because each of them had a designated rival in that game.


Ryuusei's exclusive lack of rivals is not Kyousuke's fault

Really, if you're going to accuse anyone of hijacking Ryuusei's 15 minute of fame it's Masaki during OG1.

He was totally the main character. (you could also blame Coubray for taking the credit for Septaguaint's destruction)
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Old 2012-09-01, 14:50   Link #213
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All this talk about Kyosuke just makes me want to see him even more in OGs2nd.
Even stupid people could understand who's the right one in this argument.
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Old 2012-09-02, 01:08   Link #214
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You tend to insult people when you don't get your way I've noticed.

What you need is a reality check, Kyosuke had his time in the spotlight over and over again. His time has passed, he's a mentor now and should be treated as such and take a back seat to those that still have stories.
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Old 2012-09-12, 21:32   Link #215
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http://www.saint-ism.com/2012/09/a-c...y-slot-system/

The SP amount looks kinda low this time.
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Old 2012-09-12, 22:35   Link #216
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The SP amount looks kinda low this time.
haven't they been getting lower throughout recent games? I think it is fine though, don't like to overly rely on sp.
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Yes, it is. Not like I'm bothered by it (even in OGG), but for Latouni to be at lv 29 and only has 57 SP, it does look kinda low.

Low SP means it's somewhat harder to use unpopular/weak character in Hard mode.
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Old 2012-09-13, 00:53   Link #218
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Customizable gespenst O_O. This will boost up those gespenst's utility a lot in OG2
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Old 2012-09-13, 05:26   Link #219
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Or it'll break the game, this looks like a modified system that Z2.2 used. Guess difficulty is no longer a factor.

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Okay, I get it. You just plain hate Kyosuke. We already give explanation why it's necessary for Kyousuke to be in the spotlight in Inspector, but all you said is too much is too much which is like what I said, just a prejudice since 1(and arguably a quarter of OGG) out of 3 is not too much. There's nothing similar in Crowe and Kyosuke at all, but you still somehow able to connect them(Crowe's main characteristic is his love of money and his hatred of women, both not applicable to Kyousuke, and Esther is not Excellen at all since Excellen is not tsundere, she's very honest with her love toward Kyousuke). Hater is just as cumbersome as rabid fanboy when arguing so I'll just stop here.
You're the worst kind of fanboys, editing in your vileness later. It's sad that you're so blind that you had to go and insult me when you're wrong, Crowe and Esther have many common things with Kyosuke and Excellen while still being their own characters. If you knew anything about the characters it would be impossible not to see the similarities. If you're this blind than maybe you should go read the updated Wiki and educate yourself before throwing a temper tantrum.

There's no excuses for your hateful post when the resources are already out there that contradict you completely.
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Old 2012-09-13, 05:45   Link #220
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More gespent is always good. Anyway, what's with the ability system? The picture somehow confused me since I only saw Latooni since I didn't saw her equip 3 shooting up ability that somehow boost both Lamia and her ability The system also looks like equip items, huh..

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haven't they been getting lower throughout recent games? I think it is fine though, don't like to overly rely on sp.
But I like spamming them ;_;
oh well, let's just see whether it matters much or not
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