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Old 2012-03-28, 15:15   Link #1801
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You are confusing sympathy with justice. Murder is murder, independent of the victim. Usually* a crime is judged by the motivation of the perpetrator and occasionally the relationship with the victim, not the life of victim

* Usually, because morality changes with time and location
Just so you know, I hate killing people for "justice". I'm not confusing anything with anything. I'm just asking why killing one of them is cruel, whereas killing the other one isn't, even though the one that ACTUALLY got killed never even so much as hurt a fly.
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Old 2012-03-28, 15:26   Link #1802
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This goes back to the theory of killings histories most atrocious individuals if you had the chance. If you had the chance to kill Hitler before he committed all those crimes, would it be the right thing to do, and should you do it? Or do you let him continue along his path to commit those crimes?

In a way, killing Yuno 2 would prevent her from eventually killing all the other people, which she would have eventually done anyway at the current path she was in.
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Old 2012-03-28, 16:08   Link #1803
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Damn, I'm shielding my eyes from the posts cuz I'm still only at episode 13 but this is a fantastic series. Wish it had a subforum so I could post in the episode threads as I'm getting caught up, but oh well. The plot twist with 4th was great.
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Old 2012-03-28, 16:31   Link #1804
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even though the one that ACTUALLY got killed never even so much as hurt a fly.
Nevertheless if she was allowed to live, she would hurt a lot of flies... and humans too. So if we are gonna judge Yunos worthiness to live based on how many people she can potentially kill, lets have a look at what can expect from her and we know that, because the other Yuno has shown us.
Its like somebody said in this thread, the only difference between the two Yunos are the extra memories.

Also... the killer Yuno killed people, sure..... but I would say the circumstances pushed her to that. Maybe you and me wouldnt do the things she did, but she wasnt OK mentally even prior to the game. Dont forget what kind of treatment she got at home. She snapped and I dont blame her.
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Old 2012-03-28, 16:44   Link #1805
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Nevertheless if she was allowed to live, she would hurt a lot of flies... and humans too. So if we are gonna judge Yunos worthiness to live based on how many people she can potentially kill, lets have a look at what can expect from her and we know that, because the other Yuno has shown us.
Its like somebody said in this thread, the only difference between the two Yunos are the extra memories.

Also... the killer Yuno killed people, sure..... but I would say the circumstances pushed her to that. Maybe you and me wouldnt do the things she did, but she wasnt OK mentally even prior to the game. Dont forget what kind of treatment she got at home. She snapped and I dont blame her.
Uhhh... We don't really know what Yuno was like in the first world. There is absolutely no guarantee that the second Yuno would've committed those crimes.

Besides, Yuno 1 replaced her and did even more killing killing killing.

How is this an improvement?
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Old 2012-03-28, 16:47   Link #1806
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Uhhh... We don't really know what Yuno was like in the first world. There is absolutely no guarantee that the second Yuno would've committed those crimes.

Besides, Yuno 1 replaced her and did even more killing killing killing.

How is this an improvement?
Except the Yuno who killed is the continuation of the first Yuno who died. Which means she lived in BOTH worlds, played both games and is just an older self of the Yuno she killed.

Ok, I am tired of arguing about this, it is silly.

Next episode please!! I am curious what Yukki will make out of this seeming dilema, although I fear I know. He is continuously not making the decisions I would want him to.
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Old 2012-03-28, 16:53   Link #1807
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Yukki piss me off so much in this anime I just wish he die but I know he won't.....
Seriously hope they change his character a little bit more in the live action.
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Old 2012-03-28, 17:04   Link #1808
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Except the Yuno who killed is the continuation of the first Yuno who died. Which means she lived in BOTH worlds, played both games and is just an older self of the Yuno she killed.
Like I said, we don't know what happened the first time around, maybe Yuno was more of a cute stalker back then rather than a psycho killer. Also this is an alternate world, so things could've happened differently.
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Old 2012-03-28, 18:01   Link #1809
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Yukki piss me off so much in this anime I just wish he die but I know he won't.....
Seriously hope they change his character a little bit more in the live action.
Like I always say, blame Yuno. It was her fault he turned out the way he did.
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Old 2012-03-28, 19:10   Link #1810
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I'd never thought I'd see the day where a female character would enter into my top 20 favorite characters in fiction. A teenage girl to add to that(Which was even less of a chance) .

Let alone, almost come to my top 10(Yuno is probably around 11-13).

Shit, Yuno is just that damn awesome.
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Old 2012-03-28, 23:22   Link #1811
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Just so you know, I hate killing people for "justice". I'm not confusing anything with anything. I'm just asking why killing one of them is cruel, whereas killing the other one isn't, even though the one that ACTUALLY got killed never even so much as hurt a fly.
...She killed her parents already at that point.


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I'd never thought I'd see the day where a female character would enter into my top 20 favorite characters in fiction.
I.. hope that's not meant in a sexist way.
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Old 2012-03-29, 00:40   Link #1812
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Which leaves me with an interesting thought. What if Yuki wins and travels back to the point before Yuno killed her parents? At that point, he can call the police and have the parents arrested.

Yuno would never end up killing her parents and going psycho. Of course, it means that Yuno does not end up liking Yuki either. It would also drastically change the result of the Mirai Nikki games.
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Old 2012-03-29, 00:47   Link #1813
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Yuno did not go psycho because she killed her parents, but rather because they abused her for years
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Old 2012-03-29, 01:00   Link #1814
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Although they abused her for years, what pushed her over was at the point she killed them. It was a turning point in her life, and meeting up with Yuki at that point consequently followed. If they broke that cycle, the results would be drastically different.
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Old 2012-03-29, 02:29   Link #1815
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...She killed her parents already at that point.
No she didn't. O_o Her parents were killed by the first Yuno (again). Or did the anime actually change things here? *is still waiting for the sub of this episode*
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Old 2012-03-29, 02:33   Link #1816
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You need to re-watch it properly. Even without subs you can see the second world Yuno is the one who killed her own parents, just like in the manga. First world Yuno upon arrival killed second world Yuno.
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Old 2012-03-29, 02:37   Link #1817
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I mean I haven't actually watched the episode yet because I dunno Japanese. I base this on my (apparently flawed) recollection of the manga.

That still doesn't guarantee that things would have gone the same way. But I think I'm going to drop that part of the matter for now.

Lets suppose that things would've panned out the same way. Why would you choose the first one over the second one, when they are in fact, exactly the same?
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Old 2012-03-29, 06:47   Link #1818
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Lets suppose that things would've panned out the same way. Why would you choose the first one over the second one, when they are in fact, exactly the same?
Because she went through hell for Yukki. Sheer desperation and determination to save him pushed her into it. She is messed up, but it isnt quite her fault considering the circumstances.


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Which leaves me with an interesting thought. What if Yuki wins and travels back to the point before Yuno killed her parents? At that point, he can call the police and have the parents arrested.

Yuno would never end up killing her parents and going psycho. Of course, it means that Yuno does not end up liking Yuki either. It would also drastically change the result of the Mirai Nikki games.
Thundrakkon, that is indeed an interesting thought. Especially because we dont understand why Deus chose the people he chose.
It has been mentioned in this thread before, that Deus chose some really weird individuals as his possible successors. One would expect Deus to choose stable individuals with a high sense of morality and the desire to change the world for the better, but this is our own idealistic wishful thinking here.
Obviously, Deus chose the participants on a different basis. It would seem that the winner of the game is supposed to change the world and motivation plays an important part in it too. Each character has gone through some personal hell: 6th has been raped and abused, 9th lost her parents and had to fight for her life. 5th was a misunderstood child in a falling apart family. 4th was a detective who saw many ugly things in his line of work. Yuno had her own "skelletons" in the basement (double meaning intended). But why did he chose Yukki? Was it because Yukki had to witness the divorce of his parents (something that is becoming a common reality for many children these days?), or because he is an outsider in a society in which social isolation is an increasing problem? Or was it because Yukki is Deuses friend and because Deus saw the potential in Yukki from the start and actually wanted Yukki to be his successor?

We dont know why Yukki was chosen and I bet there is some reason for it. What if Yukki travels to the past and changes that one aspect? Would Deus still choose him to participate in the game?
Now, I dont think this is gonna happen. I mean, it is more likely that Yukkis ability to change future and the motivation to save Yuno (in one way or another) will trigger the necessary skill to become the God of time and space.... and well, lets just see what happens.
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Old 2012-03-29, 07:01   Link #1819
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We dont know why Yukki was chosen and I bet there is some reason for it. What if Yukki travels to the past and changes that one aspect? Would Deus still choose him to participate in the game?
Now, I dont think this is gonna happen. I mean, it is more likely that Yukkis ability to change future and the motivation to save Yuno (in one way or another) will trigger the necessary skill to become the God of time and space.... and well, lets just see what happens.
Maybe Yukki was chosen on the basis that he motivates Yuno to act; after all a lot of her thinking and actions revolve around him in some way. Without him, much of the the events in the series would not happen. Perhaps Deus recognises this, although I would say Yuno is a little too unstable to make any well defined plans. Still, the point remains that people may not be solely chosen on the basis of their background but also on the effect they may have on other diary players which could have profound effects on the final outcome of the game and world. I think the relationships between characters is also another factor to consider when thinking why a diary player is chosen.
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Old 2012-03-29, 07:17   Link #1820
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Two questions:

1- Why didn't Yuno 2 see a Dead End sign?
2- Why did Yuno 2's diary (which read Amano-kun instead of Yukkii) keep working after she died?

The second question is especially important since;

If two Yuno's are different and that's why killing Yuno 2 didn't cause a paradox,then they are seperate entities.

In which case,Yuno 1's presence shouldn't make Yuno 2's diary work.

If it is the other way around and they are the exact same person,then Yuno 1 is supposed to disappear. (I am against all Yuno disappearing through,save the Yuno's for an awesome future)

Just some food for thought.
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