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Old 2012-05-02, 10:39   Link #30661
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But Pure Devils are said to reach very high levels of power, even if they don't train.
The same can't be said for revived devils, dunno about half-devils and dragon-devils though.
Speaking of dragon-devils, you'd expect someone like Tanninim who is practically overflowing with dragon swag (or so he says) to have a few children here and there.
The same applies to the BG and DD holders of the past.
And assuming that the devils already know what they can expect of Issei's future offspring it doesn't seem like they're foreign to dragon-devil hybrids.
Yet so far there has been no mention of their children.
Perhaps they'll appear in the next arc
Sairaorg is a pure devil but he does alot of training
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Old 2012-05-02, 10:42   Link #30662
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Sairaorg is a pure devil but he does alot of training
As cruel as it sounds, Sairaorg is defect hardware
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Old 2012-05-02, 10:42   Link #30663
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Sairaorg is a pure devil but he does alot of training
Thats because he had to compensate for him not inheriting the PoD
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Old 2012-05-02, 10:51   Link #30664
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As cruel as it sounds, Sairaorg is defect hardware
Even so, for other normal pure devils i think they still need to train to mature their power
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:05   Link #30665
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Hello there, i've been following this thread for a while and decided to pass by and spill my theory about vali's new power here:

Spoiler:
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:08   Link #30666
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As cruel as it sounds, Sairaorg is defect hardware
Actually, I'm surprised there aren't more "defective" devils with worse problems. The old Maou faction is inbred to the point of utter idiocy.

As for why there aren't Dragon/devil hybrids running around, the answer is simple, even though it's in several parts.

1.) Devils don't breed easily, especially pure blood devils. It's said that a female devil needs to mate every night without exception for 10 years just to bear a single child. (Miss one night and your odds plummet.)

2.) Issei is the first time a BG user has ever been allied with the Devil faction. Also, Issei is "unique" in many ways. It's noted that prior to Issei all DD and BG users died young, alone, and miserable. (Note that even when the past BG user DID marry, the spouse did not have a happy ending. Happy endings include stable family life with children.)

3.) Vali is either a eunuch or gay. If he was monogamous and had a "girlfriend" is one thing, but to completely reject total hotness like Kuroka while single defies any other rational explanation.

4.) There is a great deal of irrational pride in being "pure blood" for a devil. It's ingrained in the social strata as well. Even Issei, the popular "Oppai Dragon" and hero of the underworld, keeps running into it. Half-breed children, without exception, tend to be viewed as inferior no matter how powerful they are.
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:20   Link #30667
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The 72 pillars are families who posses extremely high magical power and some sort of special ability (PoD, immortality etc) compared to the average devil. They cultivated their powers for generations to what they are today.
Maybe in return for an oath of fealty to Maous, they received land and were elevated above other devils (nobility and rank).
Something like how human village leaders became patricians as their cities expanded and in return for serving the king one received rank and title.

If some reborn devil, who hasn't lived for a hundred years yet suddenly receives the same title as your family which they have worked on for maybe thousands of years, you wouldn't be happy right?

It was hinted in the novels several times that devil children can inherit many (if not most) traits of their parents (Zenovia wants Ise kids with dragon aura). The offspring of two strong devils can be expected to grow up strong, while the offspring of two average devils will be average.
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:22   Link #30668
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ok.. not meaning to sound disgusting but i couldn't help but remember something....
didnt isse boost the holy water to increase its effectiveness?why couldn't he do the same with his "swimmers"? :P
i know its a bit far fetched but i had to throw this one out there xD
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:24   Link #30669
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The 72 pillars are families who posses extremely high magical power and some sort of special ability (PoD, immortality etc) compared to the average devil. They cultivated their powers for generations to what they are today.
Maybe in return for an oath of fealty to Maous, they received land and were elevated above other devils (nobility and rank).
Something like how human village leaders became patricians as their cities expanded and in return for serving the king one received rank and title.

If some reborn devil, who hasn't lived for a hundred years yet suddenly receives the same title as your family which they have worked on for maybe thousands of years, you wouldn't be happy right?

It was hinted in the novels several times that devil children can inherit many (if not most) traits of their parents (Zenovia wants Ise kids with dragon aura). The offspring of two strong devils can be expected to grow up strong, while the offspring of two average devils will be average.
Your points are valid, but that's not the Old maou position.

The Old maou position is "only pure blood devils can live. Everyone else must die. If you oppose us, you must die as well, even if the whole devil race dies out in the process." Hence, inbred to utter idiocy.

Edit: That's not the problem with devil fertility. Issei would have to find a way to "gift" the ovaries without serious side affects. Frankly, his medical knowledge is no where near that refined. Sure, he understands the basic mechanics of mating (he DOES watch porn and all) but I'm quite certain, given his obvious lack of a medical degree, that he most likely doesn't fully grasp the biology involved.
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:27   Link #30670
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^Thats exactly like hitler and the supposed superior "arian" race... although in the last case it didnt extend to everyone ( though after thousands of years who knows :\ )
For smart people its hard to fathom how they didnt figure that by its very nature in breading between pure devils alone was bound to end... if anything after enough time every family would have blood ties or would have merged into a few at most

Edit : true azure-priest.. that might be the me that wishes to see issei's kids before the LN finishes talking :P
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:42   Link #30671
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^Thats exactly like hitler and the supposed superior "arian" race... although in the last case it didnt extend to everyone ( though after thousands of years who knows :\ )
For smart people its hard to fathom how they didnt figure that by its very nature in breading between pure devils alone was bound to end... if anything after enough time every family would have blood ties or would have merged into a few at most
Funny thing is Hitler himself didn't satisfy the requirement's to be considered "arian".

Their pride would have been the reason for their death.... If it weren't for the current Maou's mainly Ajuka.
If I'm not mistaken "Pride" one of the 7 deadly sins is attributed to Lucifer... Random fact...
Speaking of the 7 deadly sins... Will we see them in this story? and what about the 4 horseman of the apocalypse?
Lol. This LN has so much potential to run for 10-30 more volumes.
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Old 2012-05-02, 11:44   Link #30672
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hmm.. using Gift while making out huh... never thought of that. He might just actually be able to propagate the devil race thanks to his powers.
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:10   Link #30673
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Hello there, i've been following this thread for a while and decided to pass by and spill my theory about vali's new power here:

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If this were true, I would be conflicted about who i'd want to win. I'd rather have a draw...
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:10   Link #30674
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I dont think the pure devil can say too much anymore. About Rias x Ise i mean ise just save them with the help of GR. Also the whole Gremory family it's ok with this now ,hell they even try to push them to marry. No to mention they already think Ise part of their family+ lucifer (rias brother ) already think about Ise like his own little brother. And we can't forgot that Ise already have link with at least other 2 devil family . If then we count that he is friend with ophis...yeah i wonder if they will still think about the whole Half-breed children deal.
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:16   Link #30675
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So let me get some clarification on certain points

at the end of vol 12
1. The underworld is saved and the crisis is over? (are their anymore conflicts? or is it all over?)
2. Everything is back to the way it was before?
3. Does the Gremory family talk about Rias and Ise's marriage at all? or maybe Rias mentions something? or maybe other families plan marriages for Ise and their daughters?

thx in advance!
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:27   Link #30676
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So let me get some clarification on certain points

at the end of vol 12
1. The underworld is saved and the crisis is over? (are their anymore conflicts? or is it all over?)
2. Everything is back to the way it was before?
3. Does the Gremory family talk about Rias and Ise's marriage at all? or maybe Rias mentions something? or maybe other families plan marriages for Ise and their daughters?

thx in advance!
I answer only on the one i know from the spoiler.
1Yeah the Crisis it's over. In new life you have the thing about their middle lv promotion the party or something like this(if i remember right) and there is even something about a date list for Ise(all the girls and even gasper+kiba and azazel(if i recall right lol).
2 Pretty much.(well minus that they know what they would feel if Ise die for good i think).
3 Don't know we need to wait n0m@n for this one or wait and see in the summary.
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:30   Link #30677
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Not exactly the same as before.
Now they have Ophis stating she will be with Ise forever (from what I recall of the spoilers).
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:31   Link #30678
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Wow....someone is really trying to piss the mod off....beastility, breast jiggle, boy love? (when did HS DxD contains yaoi....) and nekomimi.

I can see a future drama of having children lol....I mean Koneko will the 1st few to bear Ise's child lol and most likely will get Ise's attention the most at that time. Rias will get jealous? for not able to give Ise a child when Koneko already has a litter lol.

As for Ophis...I really hope her gender is perm lol.
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:37   Link #30679
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Hi all, i am new here so not sure if this is the right place to post this question but may i noe where can i get the pdf for volume 4? thanks.

oh and what's up with the weird tags? why is it getting a bit...outlandish by the day?

May i know if anyone has any idea which magazine SS are they including in volume 13? hoping to c a ophis one...
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Old 2012-05-02, 12:40   Link #30680
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Darth SpiderDen@ If you mean the spoiler where ophis say that and even hug Ise...then that one was fake i ask about this to n0m@n some time ago.
But we know she will stay with them.
lilNewBlood@ With Ise you never knowXD Also we know for sure she will the first one to marry him ,at least from what we see soo far.
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