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Old 2012-01-09, 17:39   Link #1061
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sooo no info on angels yet . hmm i guess next arc will be about them . they too are one of leading plot elements just like devils and fallen angels. yet one wonders how is their relationship with their fallen brethen.
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Old 2012-01-09, 17:43   Link #1062
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The top would mostly be Gods. I doubt he would be in the top 10 since he's still a human. Also he seems like he will be the last boss of this arc and fights Ise and Vali next volume according to the preview.
Also Kuroka isn't even in the top 3 of Vali's team. Vali, Arthur, Bikou, and Fenrir are definitely stronger than Kuroka.



Also so far there are at least three swordsman who are stronger than Kiba and Zenovia, and all three of them are humans. At least up to the latest volume.
1.) Un-named Swordsman from the Church. (Siegfried says how this guy can make up for the loss Church got after Zenovia and Siegfried left the Church.)
2.) Arthur Pendragon of the Vali team and has the ultimate holy-sword Coalbrand, and the last and the strongest Excalibur.
2.) Siegfried from the Hero faction of the Chaos Brigade. He is said to be one of two great swordsman of the Chaos Brigade alongside Arthur. He took on Kiba and Zenovia by himself in a swordfight and defeated them with ease. Has a Sacred Gear, 5 demonic swords and 1 holy swords.
Man this all sounds awesome so pumped to read like volume 4 onwards, Vali seems like a badass and a good rival for ise. I also really wanna see ise as a king with his own team and takes on vali's down the track in like a massive tournament? maybe the angels fallen angels and devils hold one? that would be cool.
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Old 2012-01-09, 17:52   Link #1063
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1.) A top-class devil(king) will get 15 chess pieces. 1 queen, 2 rook, 2 bishop, 2 knight, and 8 pawns.
2.) Only Top-class devils can have them.
3.) If Rias had another mutation piece, then she only need to use 1 instead of 8.
4.) The mutation piece used on Gasper is a Bishop, so it increases his magic like normal bishop piece.
5.) In the end of volume 10 in the author's comment, author said that the last pawn piece Rias's cousin, Sairaorg, has is a mutation pawn piece.


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Massive tournament? There's a talk that in the future that the angels and fallen-angels might compete with the devils in the Rating game. The angels already made their unique servant system. Instead of chess pieces they use cards which is called "Brave Saint".
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Old 2012-01-09, 17:55   Link #1064
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1.) A top-class devil(king) will get 15 chess pieces. 1 queen, 2 rook, 2 bishop, 2 knight, and 8 pawns.
2.) Only Top-class devils can have them.
3.) If Rias had another mutation piece, then she only need to use 1 instead of 8.
4.) The mutation piece used on Gasper is a Bishop, so it increases his magic like normal bishop piece.
5.) In the end of volume 10 in the author's comment, author said that the last pawn piece Rias's cousin, Sairaorg, has is a mutation pawn piece.


@dannclark
Massive tournament? There's a talk that in the future that the angels and fallen-angels might compete with the devils in the Rating game. The angels already made their unique servant system. Instead of chess pieces they use cards which is called "Brave Saint".
could you please refresh my mind as to what a mutation piece is? ><
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Old 2012-01-09, 18:07   Link #1065
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You know how certain people consume more than 1 chess piece when they get reincarnated to a devil right? Mutation piece ignores the number of chess piece needed and can reincarnate the individual to a devil with just 1 chess piece. It's said that 1 in 10 top-class devil has mutation piece so it's really rare. Mutation piece could be any of the queen, bishop, rook, knight and pawn.
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Old 2012-01-09, 18:23   Link #1066
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You know how certain people consume more than 1 chess piece when they get reincarnated to a devil right? Mutation piece ignores the number of chess piece needed and can reincarnate the individual to a devil with just 1 chess piece. It's said that 1 in 10 top-class devil has mutation piece so it's really rare. Mutation piece could be any of the queen, bishop, rook, knight and pawn.
i see ;/

thankyou for the answer...

i have even more questions now though... ><
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Old 2012-01-09, 18:25   Link #1067
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1.) A top-class devil(king) will get 15 chess pieces. 1 queen, 2 rook, 2 bishop, 2 knight, and 8 pawns.
2.) Only Top-class devils can have them.
3.) If Rias had another mutation piece, then she only need to use 1 instead of 8.
4.) The mutation piece used on Gasper is a Bishop, so it increases his magic like normal bishop piece.
5.) In the end of volume 10 in the author's comment, author said that the last pawn piece Rias's cousin, Sairaorg, has is a mutation pawn piece.
Is rias's cousin the lion man? lol is he strong?
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Old 2012-01-09, 18:34   Link #1068
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He certainly is. He can handle Kiba, Zenovia and Rossweisse by himself without using his balance-break armour.
When he put his balance-break lion armour on, he broke through Ise's Traina's Rook with one hit and made him go in the ground. Well he could still break Ise's normal balance-break armour with just a punch.
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Old 2012-01-09, 18:37   Link #1069
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Is rias's cousin the lion man? lol is he strong?
he freaking strong.
he can easily destroy dragon armor that ise have when he using balance breaker.
even with out using the lion armor that he have.
ise almost die by him.
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Old 2012-01-09, 19:08   Link #1070
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He certainly is. He can handle Kiba, Zenovia and Rossweisse by himself without using his balance-break armour.
When he put his balance-break lion armour on, he broke through Ise's Traina's Rook with one hit and made him go in the ground. Well he could still break Ise's normal balance-break armour with just a punch.
How does he win then? queen traina?
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Old 2012-01-09, 20:18   Link #1071
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Yeah he changed into "Cardinal Crimson Queen". It has a crimson colour instead of the usual red.
Triania consists of "Bishop", "Knight", and "Rook".
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Old 2012-01-09, 20:54   Link #1072
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I didn't see it any where in this thread, so I'll ask. Has the youkai princess been given a name yet? And how strong is she?

Also, cover of volume 11 - Ouroboros dragon:
Spoiler for The Strongest:
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:02   Link #1073
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Yeah he changed into "Cardinal Crimson Queen". It has a crimson colour instead of the usual red.
Triania consists of "Bishop", "Knight", and "Rook".
If Sairaorg is really that damn powerfull to even beat Rook form of Triana just one hit...then Ise Queen form is unbelieveable...and add to that Ise hasn't perfected it yet...

Really curious if Ise became to a King, how powerful he is...

Well there is something that me curious about it...

About the dragon Ddraig is sealed into Ise's sacred gear right? I wonder if the maximum ability of the Gauntlet is the maximum power of the Ddraig, i means it is not possible to have any amplified power beyond the Ddraig capabilities right? But this is novel and fiction so anything can happens...

Oh yeah, Ascalon is a dragon slayer sword right? I wonder if it is a sacred gear too, if it is a sacred gear...that means Ise Gauntlet can absorp any Sacred Gear he wants...wonder if this will do something at later story.
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:15   Link #1074
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if the afterword on vol 10 ise will get peerage thats mean he already gets his goal right.
so ise will inherit what family name on 72 pilar demon or he will get adopted by gremory as son in law?
also i was curious what kind servant that he will collect atleast ryvier phenex already one of candidate for ise servant
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:20   Link #1075
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Also, cover of volume 11 - Ouroboros dragon:
This is Ophus right?
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:35   Link #1076
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That is Kunou. She's still a child so she can use a small fire. She's a ninetail fox youkai just like her mother. Her mother has equal power to a Dragon-lords.


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Well the maximum power of Boosted Gear is infinite. Also Ise manages to absorb Vali's Divine Divine powers. In volume 4, Ise takes the fragments of the jewel from Divine Divine's Boosted Gear armour, and he absorbs it through his gauntlet. Doing this took lot of his lifespan. Also Ise manages to use Divine Dividing's halving ability but it takes his life away every time he uses it and it's only 1 in 10th chance that it would work.
In volume 7 when Ise goes into "juggernaut drive" Ise uses Divine dividing's ability and also Gasper's Sacred Gear ability of freezing the enemies. So somehow Ise can certainly take in others Sacred Gear's ability in cost of cutting down his lifespan.


@fazri
Even if someone becomes a top-class devil they can't inherit the name of the 72 pillars because they are the names for pure devils. But pure devils from the 72 pillars may take in someone who isn't a pure devil to continue to family. Just like how Rias and her parents are trying to take in Ise.


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Yes, it certainly is.
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:41   Link #1077
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oh it's that so nom@n.
that orpheus for all lolicon this warning that loli is an old hag the worst is she was really old granpa before.
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:44   Link #1078
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Well the maximum power of Boosted Gear is infinite. Also Ise manages to absorb Vali's Divine Divine powers. In volume 4, Ise takes the fragments of the jewel from Divine Divine's Boosted Gear armour, and he absorbs it through his gauntlet. Doing this took lot of his lifespan. Also Ise manages to use Divine Dividing's halving ability but it takes his life away every time he uses it and it's only 1 in 10th chance that it would work.
In volume 7 when Ise goes into "juggernaut drive" Ise uses Divine dividing's ability and also Gasper's Sacred Gear ability of freezing the enemies. So somehow Ise can certainly take in others Sacred Gear's ability in cost of cutting down his lifespan.

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hmmm... thats quite interesting...

about the skills he takes in... can he permanantly use them? if so.. thats kinda a unique ability... considering all he has to pay is a certain percentage of his life.. which koneko chan might be able to get back for him ;/

if that concept works ;/

his going to be imba..
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Well the maximum power of Boosted Gear is infinite. Also Ise manages to absorb Vali's Divine Divine powers. In volume 4, Ise takes the fragments of the jewel from Divine Divine's Boosted Gear armour, and he absorbs it through his gauntlet. Doing this took lot of his lifespan. Also Ise manages to use Divine Dividing's halving ability but it takes his life away every time he uses it and it's only 1 in 10th chance that it would work.
In volume 7 when Ise goes into "juggernaut drive" Ise uses Divine dividing's ability and also Gasper's Sacred Gear ability of freezing the enemies. So somehow Ise can certainly take in others Sacred Gear's ability in cost of cutting down his lifespan.
Well Koneko can replenish that lifespan right? So it will be invicible if he can keep spamming ability like that.

(Lol the there is a person posted the same idea with me)

But wait...i haven't read it yet, could it be there is only one chance to replenish that lifespan, if that's true then Ise is in trouble...

I wonder what Ise and his lover reaction when he know that his lifespan only 100 years left before replenished it, must be a catastrophe lol

Well either way, Ashia's Balance Breaker not yet attained, basic skill of her is Twilight Healing and it will not be surprise if the Balance Breaker either replenish all the lost from a person include stamina, lifespan etc. or revive someone, somehow Basic Skill of Sacred Gear is in correspondence with Balance Breaker.
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Old 2012-01-09, 21:49   Link #1080
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also... about cao cao's decendant...

his longinus is called "true loginus" right? and it apparently killed jesus right?

then does that mean its in the form of a spear? like in christian traditions where its said that a roman soldier they gave the name "longinus" stabbed jesus while he was on the cross with a "holy lance"?
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