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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Total Series Rating
Perfect 10 167 57.19%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 80 27.40%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 9.25%
7 out of 10 : Good 9 3.08%
6 out of 10 : Average 7 2.40%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 0.34%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.34%
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Old 2012-12-02, 21:28   Link #161
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I don't mind fantastical, Superman like powers (hell, I'm a comic book fan. I think they have more of a balance than these anime where the only super-powered people are 13 year old girls... Every type in superhero comics has powers, girls, boys, aliens, with men and women at the helm primarily... but that's a subject for another thread I suppose).

I just can't get into this whole little girls saving the world in super serious situations thing. I know most anime fans like it. I just don't. It didn't stop me from enjoying the series, but like I said, I can't help but find it silly. Maybe I'm just an old-school macho guy, I don't know, but it's not really something I can debate with you since it's a completely subjective, knee-jerk reaction on my part (it is akin to trying to debate why my favorite color is green as opposed to red). Regardless, I worked around it and have with other series in the past because I won't let my personal feelings of what is "cool" get in the way of a good story.

I did somewhat predict this ending, like you said, and I guess it works 'in story'. We can get semantical about the meaning of the deus ex machina phrase, but I don't care about the exact meaning of that phrase (perhaps I used it incorrectly) so much as my enjoyment. I didn't enjoy seeing everything peeled away and rewritten with essentially no effort. It felt very anti-climactic to me. I couldn't help but shake my head a bit in disapproval.
Well, in fairness to you...

1. I did find it a bit disconcerting that not one of these girls even considered trying to get adult human help. Now, Mami and Kyouko no longer have living parents, so that explains them. Sayaka and Homura don't appear to have close relationships with their parents/legal guardians, but it's still a bit disappointing that even in the midst of severe psychological descent Sayaka is never once shown thinking about her parents/legal guardians. Then there's Madoka - Madoka obviously has two loving, caring, open-minded parents.

2. The anime could have used a real plot twist or two. I'll admit that it's major plot-points unfold with a certain predictable logic. It makes the narrative feel nicely cohesive, but it also dulls excitement a bit, imo.


One defense I'll make though is that the ending was achieved with no effort. My view is that Homura's efforts to prevent Madoka from contracting combined with Madoka's efforts to carefully learn more about the Puella Magi world, enabled Madoka to make a well-informed wish. I mean, if Madoka contracts anytime before Episode 9, I doubt she makes the wish that she does, and it probably becomes a "smaller" wish (one benefiting just Sayaka, or just Mami, or even just a cat ).

I like the idea of the character who gradually learns about the evils and dangers inherent in a system, and then when armed with that knowledge makes a good decision to correct that system (at least to some degree).
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Old 2012-12-03, 09:39   Link #162
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It was certainly interesting that the main character did not receive her powers until the last minute, and we never really got to see her in action (other than in Homura's flashback realities). That was one of the nice, unique parts of this series that made it fun to watch and a little less predictable. Heh, I don't want to seem like a nitpicker here, I did like the series (voted it an 8/10 on the poll)! Just figured I'd add some balance to this thread with some criticisms.
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Old 2012-12-03, 12:33   Link #163
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Well, in fairness to you...

1. I did find it a bit disconcerting that not one of these girls even considered trying to get adult human help. Now, Mami and Kyouko no longer have living parents, so that explains them. Sayaka and Homura don't appear to have close relationships with their parents/legal guardians, but it's still a bit disappointing that even in the midst of severe psychological descent Sayaka is never once shown thinking about her parents/legal guardians. Then there's Madoka - Madoka obviously has two loving, caring, open-minded parents.

2. The anime could have used a real plot twist or two. I'll admit that it's major plot-points unfold with a certain predictable logic. It makes the narrative feel nicely cohesive, but it also dulls excitement a bit, imo.


One defense I'll make though is that the ending was achieved with no effort. My view is that Homura's efforts to prevent Madoka from contracting combined with Madoka's efforts to carefully learn more about the Puella Magi world, enabled Madoka to make a well-informed wish. I mean, if Madoka contracts anytime before Episode 9, I doubt she makes the wish that she does, and it probably becomes a "smaller" wish (one benefiting just Sayaka, or just Mami, or even just a cat ).

I like the idea of the character who gradually learns about the evils and dangers inherent in a system, and then when armed with that knowledge makes a good decision to correct that system (at least to some degree).
On your points -

1. Beyond the anime trope of "adults don't exist", I felt that it wasn't too unusual in this situation. For one, children do tend to hide big issues from their parents, unfortunately, and I can't see "talking animal gave me magical powers" going over too well in appealing to authorities. For another, we do see an unusual spin on the trope in the sense that the adults do sense that something is up and are at least involved in the manner that adults tend to be. For example the teacher mentions missing children, and references Mami (not by name, but you know who she is talking about). So it's clear that at least on some level, the adults are catching on to what is happening.

I think it would have been interesting to see this aspect explored more, but I also think it could have potentially bogged the story down a bit given the limited episodes. It's a bit like alien invasion movies, and how you don't see many that explore the meta, instead choosing to focus on a few characters who you then see things through their eyes. I suppose this choice is made to help the writer create a tighter narrative instead of juggling multiple narrative angles into one overall story, so for me, it was nice to see things like the conversation after Sayaka's funeral between Madoka's mother and the teacher. It shows the writer was at least aware of the potential of the idea, even if he didn't/couldn't explore it more.

2. I think the anime had plot twists, but they weren't the complete reversal of narrative type of plot twists we usually think of (like Sixth Sense). Part of the problem is that the story, in attempting to break the mold of the genre, doesn't stray too much from the mold of basic storytelling. So while it is a deconstruction of a genre, it's not a deconstruction of narrative. The other issue is that the show was a heavy focus of speculation, and in the internet age where people can collaborate 24/7 around the world, at some point every and any possible theory was thrown out there, and someone was bound to point out the right ones.

This helps create the "oh, so predictable" noise. I'm sure some keen minded people really did find it predictable, but I doubt it was the case for most of the viewership. I for one found aspects of the story unpredictable. I had guessed that Homura was a time traveler, because that was the most obvious explanation for her knowledge. However I could never have guessed what had gotten her to that point, which is why episode 10 remains so powerful to me. I had guessed that Sayaka would fall, but I could never have guessed that so much around her would become the "perfect storm" for it. And of course, I never would have guessed stuff like Kyubey's speeches, or Madoka's wish.

I suppose it does feel a bit empty that Madoka is considered the "heroine" when Homura (and the others) did all the groundwork for her, but I considered that in itself a deconstructing statement about heroic narratives. Usually it's the main character that does most of the work, struggles hard, and saves the day, while the rest of the cast is reduced to cheerleaders or occasional enablers of that. Here it's the exact opposite, where the hero is basically useless for the majority of the story and is only able to be heroic by the efforts of others. The way I view it, is a statement about collectivism versus individualism. In many stories, it's very much all about the hero, but in Madoka, everyone contributes something important, and heroism is less about the person and more about how our choices build upon each other to enable change.

In a way, Madoka is a bit like Neo from the Matrix (if you pretend the sequels never happened). Most of the story is about everyone else helping him to realize his potential destiny, and for the most part he's pretty much useless while they run around sacrificing everything to keep him alive until he understands what needs to be done. When does he get to be the hero? Right at the end. The story is just as much about Morpheus and Trinity as it is about him, even though he gets the honorific of being "the hero".
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Old 2013-01-27, 11:23   Link #164
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So I finally gave in to the hype and watched the series this week (a couple episodes a night, I'm a busy guy you know) to see what all the fuss was about.

I have to say I was surprised at how...dark this series really is. Not what I expected at all. I guess being a magical girl isn't all it's cracked up to be. The art was, in my opinion, pretty good, and different at times, especially when it came to the portrayal of the witches. I liked the background music, which combined with the slightly futuristic setting (transparent classrooms with digital, touchscreen white boards and retractable desks for example) kind of gave it a slick, refined feel.

Not a bad show at all. Now I'll have to find the movies.

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Old 2013-06-07, 08:11   Link #165
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I got spoilt about Mami's death AND about Kyubei because it had become a meme: "Make a contract with me! NOW YOU ARE MINE!". This made the anime far less enjoyable, but I could still enjoy it nonetheless!

The opening was SUCH a troll to the watchers:
1. It gave a completely wrong impression about the show
2. You could see Madoka in "Magical Girl", although she only had this look in the last 3 episodes!

Overall it was a nice "Magical Girl Parody" and (obviously) definitly not for people who usually ONLY watch "Magical Girl" series.
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Old 2014-02-03, 20:51   Link #166
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It's interesting with the above post. I actually felt that the opening did relate pretty well to the anime. Especially when compared to the ending theme.

The opening came off to me as a cheery theme to symbolize the hope of wishes and what we normally think of wishes as. And the ending theme symbolized how that can lead in to despair and the eventual path that was shown in the anime.
That was just my interpretation though.

All in all I enjoyed the anime quite a bit. It definitely was not what I was expecting coming in to it. The short duration was a little bit disheartening but I felt the length served the purpose of the anime well. The build up throughout the series was nice and progressive and leading up to the final episode truly did feel like a final episode.

I hear the 3rd movie that came out gives a good ending as well and I look forward to watching that.

All in all I would rate this probably a 9/10.
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Old 2014-07-01, 19:01   Link #167
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So a while back I said Madoka and Homura needed more development, but after rewatching I'll admit some things flew over my head on the first round.

Aren't shows supposed to get worse when you watch them with more experience? And I thought my noobishness was helping me the first time.
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Old 2014-07-20, 08:27   Link #168
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Just got done watching this for the first time. I think I need to watch it again sometime to let it sink. I was completely in a state of denial when characters started dying left and right. Mami's death I can accept, somehow. But when Sayaka died I was like wtf ?! They just killed main character's best friend and then they killed Kyouko too!!!!

Maybe I just forgot Urobuchi wrote it while watching. Kyubey gives off the creepy vibes through the computer screen.

Welp, I got another fandom to raid on fanfiction now I guess
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Old 2014-07-22, 08:55   Link #169
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Just got done watching this for the first time. I think I need to watch it again sometime to let it sink. I was completely in a state of denial when characters started dying left and right. Mami's death I can accept, somehow. But when Sayaka died I was like wtf ?! They just killed main character's best friend and then they killed Kyouko too!!!!

Maybe I just forgot Urobuchi wrote it while watching. Kyubey gives off the creepy vibes through the computer screen.

Welp, I got another fandom to raid on fanfiction now I guess
have you watched the movie rebellion?
if not then I urge you to watch it, as it continues after the anime.
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