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Old 2014-08-06, 09:46   Link #3301
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we need more info about david ability, he is not god, he say that he "see the future", but this ability is not from him, is something that he got when he encounter the old god.

even if he see the overwrite of his god and is planing for a greater future, this illusion is also "god works" and lets not start with the "especial cases".

david know how his son think and how the "heroes", are they are the same as the villain and sometimes even more dangerous, he just understand how human thinks..and....if we start talking about "this world is also parallel world of other world", then david isn't more than a pawn.......and maybe in another parallel world, salomon didn't become a god and al-thamen didn't exist..

if we start saying that everything happen because that is what david want, we already are thinking like extremist and forgetting that human are imperfect so( if you believe in god ), we can put away god and make our own path( garden of eden )even if this mean a painful path....and if we are perfect, why we would listen to other force?...this is like talking of the "morning star" or the sinner of all myth and religions...

..at the end....i think that david only see a version of the world..he isn't a archangel, he is a human and still imperfect(even a prophets can make mistakes because they are humans) so i don't believe that everything happen because "that is what he saw"
Now you talk about that, look like it's the case here. But I think Alma Toran's fate was pretty settled the moment the magicians understanded that they're but captured births in a inescapable cage known as destiny. David created the gate to Illlah's territory so everyone would understand this tragic reality after Solomon entered it. He likely predicted that Solomon would come to the conclusion of killing Illah, dividing the rukh to every species thus eventually become the enemy of the magicians. With that, the end of Alma Toran would come naturally. Maybe things could be different if Solomon found out another solution or Sheba can convince Arba and the magicians but they didn't happen that way. We can only say David is a good prophet because he understand the path of events and human nature quite well. The next question is will his prophecy about the true utopia in Aladdin's world come true?
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Old 2014-08-06, 13:26   Link #3302
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Al-Tharmen's hypocrisy is getting insufferable.

Solomon is arrogant, Solomon is arrogant Solomon is arrogant....
Can they shut up already.

This is the biggest lie they have ever spat out of their mouth.

Come on, if Solomon is truly binding the world with his own fate, then how can you people produce the Black Rukh in the first place.
If he is truly forcing his idea of good onto the rest of the world like Al-Tharmen claims, then how can they produce the Black Rukh under Solomon's fate when such action is clearly against Solomon's will.

He even tolerated your freedom to work against him! Arrogance my ass!!

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Old 2014-08-06, 14:20   Link #3303
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It was a double whammy for the Magicians, hence why Arba swayed them to her side so easily. Their direct link to Il Ilah's store of Rukh was cut - equal distribution of the Rukh to all living things, hence why they couldn't operate like they used to. Once vaulted and powerful, they were not like any other being on the planet and that made them mad. And then, thanks to Arba, the Rukh of Il Ilah was no longer 'guiding' them, but Solomon's Rukh. Arba was pissed off that Solomon pretty much removed Il Ilah from the equation so she twisted what he accomplished so that he was made out to being the 'bad guy that supplanted God'.

So, according to the Magicians, not only was their power taken away and given to the other 'inferior' species, they were now following the absolute will of Solomon instead of the blob of Rukh.

Il Ilah is one of those gods that seems to have no real consciousness beyond manipulating things to its own end. But when you have that kind of power, you certainly can do what you want. David probably saw that and wanted to become 'God' in order to rule with the goal to actually rule all of creation instead of just creating and destroying according to some weird cosmic whimsy.
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Old 2014-08-06, 23:38   Link #3304
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As Mother Dragon said, from the POV of God, the life of this world is very insignificant ( same with God from the POV of top God ) so he probably think it's fit to manipulate all beings to his will.

Arba probably brainwashed the magicians into thinking this is what Solomon has become - a tyranical, manipulative god. Considering their mind was in a confused state ( after witnesing true destiny ), this shouldn't be too hard ( and Sheba's attitude defintely help them to feel Solomon has become an arrogant prick ).

I'm curious what Aladdin is expecting all metal vessel users to do after all this ? They may join forces together to defeat Al-thamen but what's about the aftermath ?. Without a common enemy, I'm sure thay will just quickly turn the blade against each other.
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Old 2014-08-08, 20:30   Link #3305
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Got caught up yesterday.

regarding Sinbad, after reading chapter 24. I don't think he has change form when he was 14 yr old. He still has his dream of changing the world and is willing to use underhand method against people that trust him to do it. The trick he used in c24 is no different then his hypnosis of the princess.
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Old 2014-08-09, 04:31   Link #3306
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Gonna do the happy dance because with this arc coming to a close, we are likely gonna get a few chapters of the main characters feelings and standpoints and how the plot will transgress from there. Probably a bonding chapter with our trio of heroes, a year of flashback might be a record of some sort.
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Old 2014-08-09, 06:46   Link #3307
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Spoiler for Alibaba:


Alibaba is 30000x better king than Solomon and Sheba combined. FACT.
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Old 2014-08-09, 08:03   Link #3308
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Got caught up yesterday.

regarding Sinbad, after reading chapter 24. I don't think he has change form when he was 14 yr old. He still has his dream of changing the world and is willing to use underhand method against people that trust him to do it. The trick he used in c24 is no different then his hypnosis of the princess.
Well, the dream is still there but his innocene is long gone. Instead of an aura of bright, warm light, he now has an air of cool and awesome ( in fact, too cool and awesome! ) and that's what made Aladdin didn't trust him completely. But that's his present self, his past self is still my no.1 favourite character.
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Old 2014-08-11, 19:57   Link #3309
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Did Arba really betray Solomon?

In ch221, Solomon ask Arba to help ground him in reality if he becomes too full of himself and think of himself as God.

In a way isn't what Arba doing right now, fulfilling that promise she to Solomon?
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Old 2014-08-11, 22:46   Link #3310
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Did Arba really betray Solomon?

In ch221, Solomon ask Arba to help ground him in reality if he becomes too full of himself and think of himself as God.

In a way isn't what Arba doing right now, fulfilling that promise she to Solomon?
i doesn't matter, she destroy the world, even if she act in that way because her "promise" , she is part of the chaos...

arba doesn't make sheva, hugo or salomon( this dude make another mistake ... ) less responsible for the destruction of that world.
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Old 2014-08-12, 07:23   Link #3311
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Did Arba really betray Solomon?

In ch221, Solomon ask Arba to help ground him in reality if he becomes too full of himself and think of himself as God.

In a way isn't what Arba doing right now, fulfilling that promise she to Solomon?
As I said before, Solomon was at fault for not discussing his last decision with others. But it doesn't change Arba's action from wrong to right. She did it out of religious fanaticism. She considered Solomon a betrayer, a false god that defiled her "father"- the true god. And anyone that aligned with Solomon was the same as him. That's why she had such a satisfying smile ( and creepy ) right after killing Sheba. Out of Solomon's friends, she's probably the one that give no shit about his idea, she probably join for a chance to kill David. Everyone made mistake but they tried to find a way to fix it ( at least Ithnan, Wahid, Falan still try to talk to Solomon for a while ), Arba just flip the table and blame the world for it.
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Old 2014-08-12, 11:27   Link #3312
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Alibaba is 30000x better king than Solomon and Sheba combined. FACT.
Well yeah.

There is a danger in being too enamored with your ideals.
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Old 2014-08-12, 12:02   Link #3313
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As I said before, Solomon was at fault for not discussing his last decision with others. But it doesn't change Arba's action from wrong to right. She did it out of religious fanaticism. She considered Solomon a betrayer, a false god that defiled her "father"- the true god. And anyone that aligned with Solomon was the same as him. That's why she had such a satisfying smile ( and creepy ) right after killing Sheba. Out of Solomon's friends, she's probably the one that give no shit about his idea, she probably join for a chance to kill David. Everyone made mistake but they tried to find a way to fix it ( at least Ithnan, Wahid, Falan still try to talk to Solomon for a while ), Arba just flip the table and blame the world for it.
Arba was/is totally devoted to 'God'. David was slowly defiling 'God', which was why she joined Solomon in opposing him. When Solomon decided to also oppose 'God' right then and there, she flipped on him as well. Whatever 'God' wanted to do with them was fine with her - it was 'God's' will for them to serve Him as He saw fit. Solomon didn't buy that one bit and apparently, neither did David.

Solomon felt that he didn't have time to go back and normally discuss this with everyone - he assumed that since they all saw and felt the same vision that he did that they would understand his reasons. But, as usual, Solomon thought 2-3 steps before anyone else and that gap was apparent even with how his own trusted Magi couldn't understand him. Arba used that to turn support against David and lead her own rebellion.

Man, I still have feels for Sheba, losing her best friend, confidant, mother and sister all in one go.
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Old 2014-08-13, 09:42   Link #3314
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I think Sheba just reap what she sow. Her devotion for Solomon didn't loose to Arba's fanaticism. After Solomon's "departure", she cared about his dream more than her other comrades' feeling. Thus she acted like dictator in his absent to fulfill his dream by all her might, putting aside the magicians' feeling and interest. Or else she could realize every body's resentment before it's too late. She failed to convinced Arba and others to accept Solomon's method, all she did is forcing it upon them. She expected people who just lost their families like Ithnan and Falan to understand Solomon's method of fusing their brothers and children's rukh together and distributing them to all species, thus erasing those people's existence forever without even telling them one word. She expected them to understand that cruelty is "for the sake of a better world". Just like Arba's faith in Illah, Sheba's downfall is her utter loyalty to Solomon. She wanted to achieve his dream no matter what and payed no attention to anything else, so obviously she would loose those important to her.
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Old 2014-08-14, 12:50   Link #3315
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well ....the new chapter is up

-----spoiler


more chaos..and our dude is back...late(he can think again..seriously..too late bro)....and he is going to get owned.

we see a little of paimon..or i am wrong?..well she got k.o

i give this back-story 3 more chapters
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Old 2014-08-16, 03:10   Link #3316
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Do we have a new chapter this week?
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Old 2014-08-16, 06:19   Link #3317
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Do we have a new chapter this week?
Yes and no. Chinese scanlations are already out, but English scanlations probably won't come out until next week.
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Old 2014-08-19, 02:50   Link #3318
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Chapter is out: Solomon is back and he actually admitted his fault in leading the world to this consequence. Arba really dropped the last of her sanity as long as she got revenge on Solomon.

The saddest moment would probably be the death of Wahid. In the end, he's just lost, he doesn't care about the world or justice anymore, he and Falan just want to see their son again. If only Sheba actually let them talk with Solomon, things could have been different.

The only nice moment of this chapter:
Spoiler for Companions:

At least, Solomon now have a world where every species stand together equally.
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Old 2014-08-19, 03:42   Link #3319
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It's not Solomon's fault that the world is ending - that's all on Arba - he just took responsibility for leading the world down the path it was currently on.
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Old 2014-08-19, 04:02   Link #3320
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It's not Solomon's fault that the world is ending - that's all on Arba - he just took responsibility for leading the world down the path it was currently on.
Doing it without taking care of his ex-comrades' problems first and choosing Arba as one of his magis ( Only those 3 have access to unlimited magoi. I doubt Arba can rebel that fast with just her own limited magoi )...Yeah, I think he has his share in the downfall of Alma Toran.

Even Ugo is guilty with his shy, passive attitude. He could have been a mediator between Ithnan's group and Sheba if he could be a bit more active. But the real butt monkeys should be the other species. They pretty much have nothing good in their history except for their awesome architecture...Oh, and freedom for a short period of time.
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