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Old 2011-10-21, 20:49   Link #1241
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Old 2011-10-21, 20:50   Link #1242
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It's all wish fulfillment: boy has harem, boy is tough, boy tells off girl. Everything Kodaka did in the episode serves to produce the vicarious pleasure of a fantasy life precisely tuned to the young male viewer's insecurities and desires. In other words, the anime is manipulative. Since all of these fantasy elements have been repeated before, the anime is cliched, hackneyed.
This seems accurate aside from the implication that there's some superior category of non-manipulative shows. I disagree. All anime (more generally, all works of commercial fiction) are manipulative. Some are masterfully subtle about it, and others are hamfisted, but they're all precisely tuned in an attempt to please a target audience.

My complaint with harem shows is that they aren't effective enough at being manipulative, because their efforts at manipulating me are far from subtle enough and are too often recycled. I'm probably somewhere in the target audience (I smiled when Sena and Yozora argued about the artistic merit of eroge since I've done that too), although I'm probably not squarely in the middle of that target, so some things in many harem shows feel misaimed from my point of view.

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Which is fine. That's entertainment. The harem comedy is an established genre, albeit a tired one, but we can ask how well the show does its job, whether there's anything interesting or original in the way it goes about serving up that vicarious pleasure.

So far, all the interest--and it is considerable--lies in the dynamic, crazy, and unexpected character interactions of Sena and Yozora. I see nothing--zero--distinctive that is related to Kodaka. So far he seems to act as a black hole of cliche, inexorably drawing the other, much more fresh characters, into the tired patterns of harem comedies.
Agree. Harem leads get a bad rap for being boring, but the real problem with the standard harem show is that the lead creates some kind of plot-whirlpool around him that sucks all the other characters down into cliche. Sena and Yozora are the lifeblood of this show, and I hope they don't drown like that. I don't mind one unremarkable character as long as they don't make all the other characters suck.

That said, I've seen less interesting characters than Kodaka, and episode 3 was different enough in its execution of standard harem things that the harem-ness didn't kill my enjoyment. Despite the fact that Sena and Yozora feel the tug of Kodaka's "black hole", they're still getting good character development otherwise. Also, I like the character designs, which somehow feel more appropriate here than they did in Denpa. In my book, this show is doing a good job so far.
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Old 2011-10-21, 20:53   Link #1243
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So that what going to happen in Sacred Blacksmith

Sena in a bikini and Kobato got some screen time even though she was running out of the bath nude
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Old 2011-10-21, 21:43   Link #1244
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So that what going to happen in Sacred Blacksmith
Kinda makes you wish you stick around for the whole show instead of dropping it after episode 3... I know I did

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Sena in a bikini and Kobato got some screen time even though she was running out of the bath nude
As another great protagonist once said,

I should have taped that.
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Old 2011-10-21, 22:01   Link #1245
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Lies, damn lies, how dare --

*Ahem.*

It's a two heroine show, and a harem of sorts, if any of you are still wondering.
Its just plain denial and frustration, leave it like that.
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Old 2011-10-21, 22:03   Link #1246
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taped?

TAPED?!
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Old 2011-10-21, 22:06   Link #1247
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How come most of this episode I just felt things didn't feel right? And I kinda freaked when I thought they left out kobato running out of the cold bath. Atleast they fit that in at the end. yay...
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Old 2011-10-21, 22:15   Link #1248
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Reading an erotic script as a form of torture, quite creative Yozora . Then again, I never thought that Sacred Blacksmith can be an eroge game. Kobato and Kodaka's sibling relationship is nice because Kodaka doesn't shun or make fun or make her stuff imitating an anime character. Instead he just play along with her which is really admirable for a brother.
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Old 2011-10-21, 22:46   Link #1249
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Kobato and Kodaka's sibling relationship is nice because Kodaka doesn't shun or make fun or make her stuff imitating an anime character. Instead he just play along with her which is really admirable for a brother.
i think thats the most normal action, and thats what makes kodaka such a interesting character in the group, hes a pretty normal person in a group of weirdos.
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Old 2011-10-21, 23:45   Link #1250
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i think thats the most normal action, and thats what makes kodaka such a interesting character in the group, hes a pretty normal person in a group of weirdos.
I thought normal would be to insult or just rudely respond to her....was why I find him playing along to be pretty sweet...
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Old 2011-10-21, 23:50   Link #1251
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Its just plain denial and frustration, leave it like that.
You sure you're not the ones in denial?
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:02   Link #1252
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You sure you're not the ones in denial?
He is right that it's a two heroine show you know...
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:10   Link #1253
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He is right that it's a two heroine show you know...
I know, but to deny that some of Sena's screentime isn't fanservice...
She's being especially emphasized despite it being a two heroine show.
Even in a two heroine show, one of the two girls tends to end up being clearly favored, and I'd say it's fairly obvious who's being favored...
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:16   Link #1254
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I know, but to deny that some of Sena's screentime isn't fanservice...
She's being especially emphasized despite it being a two heroine show.
Even in a two heroine show, one of the two girls tends to end up being clearly favored, and I'd say it's fairly obvious who's being favored...
I wouldn't say that....
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:28   Link #1255
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I wouldn't say that....
How so?
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:29   Link #1256
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taped?

TAPED?!
It's a Persona 4 reference.

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Reading an erotic script as a form of torture, quite creative Yozora . Then again, I never thought that Sacred Blacksmith can be an eroge game. Kobato and Kodaka's sibling relationship is nice because Kodaka doesn't shun or make fun or make her stuff imitating an anime character. Instead he just play along with her which is really admirable for a brother.
As far as I know, no Onii-chan has ever made fun of his imouto's weird hobbies...

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I know, but to deny that some of Sena's screentime isn't fanservice...
She's being especially emphasized despite it being a two heroine show.
Even in a two heroine show, one of the two girls tends to end up being clearly favored, and I'd say it's fairly obvious who's being favored...
Isn't it too early to say just because we have one episode that focuses on Sena?

I mean is it necessary to always balance out the screen time evenly?
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:36   Link #1257
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It's just Episode 3, there should be more Yozora goodies in the future. Besides the Childhood scene had more impact (IMO) on the show compared to the Pool scene. A very big turn of events!

I'm pretty sure alot of Sena fans would admit they wouldn't have loved her if Yozora wasn't there to keep her in-line. Without Yozora, Sena would just be another egotistic blond with big boobs, which is too cliche-ish (there's millions of them out there already). Just because one main character is more popular than the other doesn't mean they are better off by themselves. It sucks that we have choose between the two though.

Sena and Yozora are like main flavor of the series and I hope the "Typical Japanese Harem Plot" and the "Typical Japanese Reset Button" won't ruin their characters.
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:38   Link #1258
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Isn't it too early to say just because we have one episode that focuses on Sena?I mean is it necessary to always balance out the screen time evenly?
In a two heroine show I would say so.
Actually, I'm wrong. The screetime is fairly equal when you think about it.
The first episode was more or less a Yozora episode.
Second episode was mixed.
Third episode was a Sena episode, and the fourth will introduce new characters.
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:40   Link #1259
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i think thats the most normal action, and thats what makes kodaka such a interesting character in the group, hes a pretty normal person in a group of weirdos.
Ah yes, he doesn't have wierd hobbies or an imaginary air friend He just have a wierd style...like how he wear his pants
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Old 2011-10-22, 00:43   Link #1260
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I thought it's a "tapped" or "taped" conundrum.
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