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Old 2011-06-18, 05:27   Link #281
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Anyone other than Kyon. Kyon would be considered the "chosen of god".
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Old 2011-06-18, 09:15   Link #282
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Technically Kyon did already, in Disappearance with Yuki. Part of Kyon's quality is that he doesn't treat Haruhi as anything other than a young girl. And that's really what Haruhi needed as a person of great power. It is lonely at the top.
What I really like about Kyon is that he's honest with her (partailly) and calls her out on her bull. It annoys her, but thats what she really needs. And since he's so honest with her (as far as she knows) she trusts him immensly.
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Old 2011-06-18, 11:59   Link #283
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What I really like about Kyon is that he's honest with her (partailly) and calls her out on her bull. It annoys her, but thats what she really needs. And since he's so honest with her (as far as she knows) she trusts him immensly.
It's not really the "won't lie" kind of trust. It's the "will never hurt me" trust. The idea that Kyon trust Haruhi to do the right thing, and Haruhi trusts Kyon to have her best interests at heart.

And technically Kyon was honest with her. He told her everything, she merely refused to believe him. So once she know the truth one day, Kyon can give her a "I told you so" and she can't get mad at him.
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Old 2011-06-18, 12:07   Link #284
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It's not really the "won't lie" kind of trust. It's the "will never hurt me" trust. The idea that Kyon trust Haruhi to do the right thing, and Haruhi trusts Kyon to have her best interests at heart.

And technically Kyon was honest with her. He told her everything, she merely refused to believe him. So once she know the truth one day, Kyon can give her a "I told you so" and she can't get mad at him.
That's true. Even if her best interests is something she doesnt like (quitting baseball game) she'll listen to Kyon.
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Old 2011-06-18, 15:10   Link #285
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I think trust is more than just prescriptive or prospective actions - i.e. will or will not. I mean, what's trust between best friends? Trust between lovers? I think, drawing on inspiration from (commwealth common law legal) trusts, I think one thing is that the trustee will have the other's interest in mind (as said above). You know what side they're ultimate on, and you know that they'll deliever as best as they can.

That said, the missing piece of course as far as I can remember, isn't just that 'SOS-dan is alien time travelling espers' but that 'you are have powers to rival God.'

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Old 2011-06-18, 16:12   Link #286
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I just read the epilogue translation. Thanks to the translator and the editor.

I can see that two future events being set up in the Epilogue: Tsuruya's flower viewing party and Kyon's middle school class reunion(with Sasaki).

It can be slightly annoying when Koizumi is your main source of information because you feel that you're not getting the whole picture from him. His infodump had some interesting tidbits.

Now, a few interesting things I noticed...

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I am psyched for whenever we see more of Surprise translated.

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Old 2011-06-18, 17:00   Link #287
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Old 2011-06-18, 17:23   Link #288
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It is indeed a nickname. It was in katakana. Tsuruya usually gives nicknames to the Brigade. Strange how Koizumi hasn't gotten one yet.
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Old 2011-06-18, 20:31   Link #289
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It is indeed a nickname. It was in katakana. Tsuruya usually gives nicknames to the Brigade. Strange how Koizumi hasn't gotten one yet.
Does Koizumi even talk to her, in an actual direct conversation?

I just got a feeling he was told to hold his distance because she is nearly as important to the Espers as Haruhi is. You know, your boss's daughter and all.
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Old 2011-06-18, 22:55   Link #290
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Old 2011-06-19, 16:12   Link #291
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Old 2011-06-21, 11:18   Link #292
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These drawings are amazing.






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Old 2011-06-21, 12:33   Link #293
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These drawings are amazing.

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Nice pics! I've been trying to find good Surprise art on pixiv but haven't had that much luck.
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Old 2011-06-21, 15:03   Link #294
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I've been sort of skimming spoilers because I still want some surprises, so this post is actually rather old, but I just noticed something last night that I hadn't caught the first time I looked at it since I was skimming. Post is here on LJ.


So what I'm wondering is, can someone confirm/deny that
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Old 2011-06-21, 15:29   Link #295
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I've been sort of skimming spoilers because I still want some surprises, so this post is actually rather old, but I just noticed something last night that I hadn't caught the first time I looked at it since I was skimming. Post is here on LJ.


So what I'm wondering is, can someone confirm/deny that
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Since I have only read the translations of Chapter 9 through to the epilogue, I'll just comment on that.
Spoiler for Koizumi and other LJ spoilers.:


Of course, I'd like to hear from those who can read the original Japanese for their take on that too.

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Old 2011-06-21, 19:00   Link #296
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I've been sort of skimming spoilers because I still want some surprises, so this post is actually rather old, but I just noticed something last night that I hadn't caught the first time I looked at it since I was skimming. Post is here on LJ.
Thanks for linking that LJ post. I had never seen it before =) It was great reading detailed observations/thoughts on the novels from someone who's read both in their entirety.
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Old 2011-06-21, 23:17   Link #297
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So what I'm wondering is, can someone confirm/deny that
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Well,
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Old 2011-06-22, 02:55   Link #298
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Just finished reading Surprise today.

Throughout the confrontation in the closed space, I totally expected Kyon to SOGEBU Fujiwara and literally grow wings to save Haruhi.

I can't be the only one who expected this.
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Old 2011-06-22, 04:51   Link #299
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Just finished reading Surprise today.

Throughout the confrontation in the closed space, I totally expected Kyon to SOGEBU Fujiwara and literally grow wings to save Haruhi.

I can't be the only one who expected this.
No, not really. First of all, it's not that kind of story, with sparkles and bubbles and rainbows everywhere. Secondly, I'm not exactly a supporter of the "Kyon is the actual god" theory. Well, if Haruhi wanted him to have wings and believed it was possible, it might would have happened, but she was unconscious, so...
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Old 2011-06-22, 06:52   Link #300
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