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Old 2011-11-23, 22:27   Link #2581
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Shu doesn't have what it takes to be a good antagonist. Having a plot twist for the sake of surprises doesn't necessarily make it good.
Nobody was suggesting that plot twists/surprises make anything good, but I agree with your statement. Although it's pretty obvious that Shu, as he is now, and the entire setup of the plot as whole, does not make for him to become an antagonist at all (let alone be a good one).

Anyway, I don't see why there was confusion earlier about how guilt comes into play in this show. It has been explained that Shu is the primary person who feels guilty -- not just about using his friends/people as tools, but about people being hurt/deceived/used wrongly in GENERAL it seems. Also about his own lack of usefulness (and possibly whatever has happened in his past involving flashback girl).
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Old 2011-11-23, 22:39   Link #2582
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Also I have a query?

I was told that the void weapon is turning genetic information into computer data and transforming it into a weapon.

Then another one told me its a person's emotions.

Which is it?
From what Gai said in episode 02. It analyze the human genome and draws out power from it. From what Inori said in episode 03. The void is the person's complex or ideals or can reflect of what he/she is really inside.

And as for person's emotions maybe it's because the stronger the bond between Shu and the person which void he extract from the stronger the weapon becomes. It's like in persona that the stronger the bonds the stronger the persona is. In here you can see the normal badass sword in episode 2 turn into maou badass sword in episode 04. It looks stronger than before when Shu accepted and believe in Inori. So maybe emotions and feelings can make the void weapon stronger and it further proof on episode 06 or maybe it's just because of the other girl inside Inori or maybe sealed inside her or who ever she is. Which made it possible for the merging of void and for it to go that strong.
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Old 2011-11-24, 00:48   Link #2583
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She is smoking hot and walks around half-naked. That's about it. A teenager doesn't need much more than that to develop feelings for a girl.
Damn straight. I love Inori, too!
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Old 2011-11-24, 01:41   Link #2584
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She is smoking hot and walks around half-naked. That's about it. A teenager doesn't need much more than that to develop feelings for a girl.
HEY.

That's NOT


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true at all!

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Old 2011-11-24, 04:57   Link #2585
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If everyone already has void within themselves, what could Shu's void be?
Also, how come Gai can see other people's inside void?
Could it be that maybe Shu is the only person who could use the "king's power" from the beginning. The key was just to unlock his seal power, maybe. Gai probably knows all about it and might be manipulating the situation while pretending to be upset that Shu used the key instead of him.
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Old 2011-11-24, 05:10   Link #2586
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You know there's something that bothers me.
We know what Shu feel about Inori and initially I thought it was because he is a great fans of her and because she has proved to be kind to him not to mention the things she said.
So I was wondering it's really just for this that Shu has developed these feelings for Inori so quickly or there is more?
I don't know about you, but I instantly fall in love every time I'm approached by an inappropriately dressed socially-awkward-yet-cute-enough-to-negate-that-flaw girl or guy who asks me to take their string from them. Oh, and being injured or needing protecting and having impressive vocal talents are MAJOR pluses.
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Old 2011-11-24, 05:23   Link #2587
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If everyone already has void within themselves, what could Shu's void be?
Also, how come Gai can see other people's inside void?
Could it be that maybe Shu is the only person who could use the "king's power" from the beginning. The key was just to unlock his seal power, maybe. Gai probably knows all about it and might be manipulating the situation while pretending to be upset that Shu used the key instead of him.
I was sure it was pretty clear now that this was the case.I mean, if Gai really wanted the genome why he don't take it back when he had the chance? Why wait ,with the risk that Shu useing the genome on himself? (thing that it happening).And why there was a resonance between Shu and the genome if the genome was not for him?And I agree with you on your last sentence .. or rather I should not wonder if Gai used Inori to lure Shu to him, not only because he is attracted to her but also because that girl that looks like her in the flashback.
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Old 2011-11-24, 05:54   Link #2588
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If everyone already has void within themselves, what could Shu's void be?
We can't say but how about...

Gai: Shu, get me out of this glass chamber!

Shu: Huh? How?

Gai: Draw a Void from somebody!

Shu: But there is no one here. Except..., Gai, you mean my?

Gai: Yes, it's time to used your own Void.

Shu: Got it.... AHHHH!!!! (Touches his chest)

Right after....

Gai: Shu, stand up, pick up that Void of yours...!!!

(Drawing a Void gets the provider of that Void helpless.....)
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Old 2011-11-24, 06:01   Link #2589
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Nobody was suggesting that plot twists/surprises make anything good, but I agree with your statement. Although it's pretty obvious that Shu, as he is now, and the entire setup of the plot as whole, does not make for him to become an antagonist at all (let alone be a good one).

Anyway, I don't see why there was confusion earlier about how guilt comes into play in this show. It has been explained that Shu is the primary person who feels guilty -- not just about using his friends/people as tools, but about people being hurt/deceived/used wrongly in GENERAL it seems. Also about his own lack of usefulness (and possibly whatever has happened in his past involving flashback girl).
Shu's flashback seems to be entirely in first person. You never "Shu" in the flashbacks. He had witnessed a great calamity in the past.

Inori's look alike is talking to him. Then she's covered in red crystals with her hair standing up with a mannequin like look to her, then we see a bunch of stuff in flames, we see a glimpse of the GHQ director 10-30 years younger, a dead blonde kid is on the ground bleeding, we see a picture of a boy with light brown hair smiling, we a picture of a woman with a boy with dark brown hair, we see some cross falling to the ground w/ flames in the background, we see Inori on a snowy evening...

I got the impression Inori's original went berserk and she killed a ton of people. And from Inori's cryptic words, she probably lost control 'cause Shu (or Shu's original) failed to stop her. The kid lying on the ground could have been Gai's brother or son. This would explain why seeing Inori is painful to him.

Gai is related to the blonde kid that's totally messed up on the ground due to the blonde hair.

Shu and Inori seemed to have screwed up big time in their previous lives or something like that.


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I was sure it was pretty clear now that this was the case.I mean, if Gai really wanted the genome why he don't take it back when he had the chance? Why wait ,with the risk that Shu useing the genome on himself? (thing that it happening).And why there was a resonance between Shu and the genome if the genome was not for him?And I agree with you on your last sentence .. or rather I should not wonder if Gai used Inori to lure Shu to him, not only because he is attracted to her but also because that girl that looks like her in the flashback.
I don't think he ever wanted the genome for himself. I think the his entire goal was luring Shu into Funeral Parlor. Inori speaks to Shu like she's known him for a long time when they first meet. Shu doesn't get arrested for hanging out in a condemned building with Inori, a fugitive, by the GHQ. It was out of character for the GHQ given their brutal nature. Gai probably knew who Shu's mother is. And he probably knew if Shu was a GHQ project of sorts.

When Shu gets arrested, they treat him like he's worth a billion dollars. They don't rough him up, they feed him, they treat him like he's made of glass. Look at how they treated the other guy. They totally manhandled him, had him chained in the dungeon.

If someone were to turn bad guy it could be Gai. Both the GHQ and Gai could be working for a more powerful organization and all of this could be a gigantic/elaborate war game to test Shu and Inori. Gai survived the leukocyte, he knew what Shu's pen did, he knows everything about GHQ, he gets blood from Inori or another source. How is this?

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Old 2011-11-24, 06:13   Link #2590
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The official site updated not long ago with the cover of the first DVD/BD volume. Redjuice delivers as usual:

Spoiler for DVD/BD Vol.1:

Spoiler for Larger, textless, full version::

Surprisingly, they didn't go straight for Inori's clevage for the first volume.
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Old 2011-11-24, 06:16   Link #2591
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This series sure likes to put complete opposites of character's normal expression in the art.
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Old 2011-11-24, 06:17   Link #2592
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Eh really?
That image looked very pale for disc cover IMO. still an great art though.
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Old 2011-11-24, 06:30   Link #2593
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I like the simplicity. There's just enough of the image and the overall composition isn't overdone. My only beef with it is that they're putting white text on a white background. Bad move, I'd rather they put a fitting colour for the background.
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Old 2011-11-24, 06:37   Link #2594
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Eh really?
That image looked very pale for disc cover IMO. still an great art though.
Maybe it's just my impression because it's a slight variation on the artstyle.
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Old 2011-11-24, 09:05   Link #2595
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Since episode 7 is gonna start in a few hours, i'm gonna guess that the excuse that Shu's back in school with his classmates is either:
*A case of mistaken identify and Shu was later released with the charges drop.
*The GHQ were questioning him for information and later let him go after they were done with him.
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Old 2011-11-24, 11:09   Link #2596
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Gai negotiated with Segai last episode to get rid of Shu's criminal record and involvement with the Funeral Parlor in exchange for getting rid of the falling satellite mess.

Nothing is stopping Shu from going back to school. He may get some bad rumors, but that can be easily cleared when they can't confirm it with the GHQ officials everywhere.
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Old 2011-11-24, 11:24   Link #2597
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Gai negotiated with Segai last episode to get rid of Shu's criminal record and involvement with the Funeral Parlor in exchange for getting rid of the falling satellite mess.
Not that Segai is the most trustworthy person around, of course. But considering his fascination with Shu in his battle-state, I don't see him doing anything totally traitorous to him anytime soon.
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Old 2011-11-24, 11:35   Link #2598
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Gai negotiated with Segai last episode to get rid of Shu's criminal record and involvement with the Funeral Parlor in exchange for getting rid of the falling satellite mess.

Nothing is stopping Shu from going back to school. He may get some bad rumors, but that can be easily cleared when they can't confirm it with the GHQ officials everywhere.
Yeah..but for how much time?I mean now is part of the group and after the last episode I doubt that he will stop participating in Funeral Parlol missions.Which means that his record will not remain clean for too long.
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Old 2011-11-24, 12:11   Link #2599
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All I'm hoping for right now is that Shu and Inori quickly get past this misunderstanding/problem between them.

Yes, I'm a sucker for romance.
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Old 2011-11-24, 12:31   Link #2600
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^Do not worry you're not the only one . I'm the same. Yet I read of people that said that for what Inori did the paring is died.I mean ,ok even I did not like what she did in episode 5,but said like that , is as if people can not be wrong or never change .

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