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Old 2012-06-25, 14:11   Link #921
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I really doubt she's going to die before and all of the Jaegers do Soji. This doesn't really change my point since Esdese could have easily died first then her backstory told after. Flashbacks do not set anything in stone.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:16   Link #922
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Iron Maw@ I don't say that. But if you don't see how the ch play out and the word said in the end. You can't really say this. We only say that this one seem more the set up for her deminse. That she die before some of the other jeaster or not. We still need to see.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:17   Link #923
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Like how everyone is solom over the new chapter, everything about Esdes character was a death flag, and considering how this story kis set up with villains and heroes dropping like flies it was obvious she wasn't going to be arc boss forever. Either way something was going to happen to her, either she change sides now, dies or is taken out of the story for a long period of time. This chapter doesn't doesn't rally change anything about either of those potential scenario's though if she were going to change sides it would require her to either lose her powers or get her ass kicked by a much stronger villain.

But either way her constant state of the embodiment of death flags hasn't changed. it simply means whatever is going to happen to her is gonna happen soon.

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Iron Maw@ I don't say that. But if you don't see how the ch play out and the word said in the end. You can't really say this. We only say that this one seem more the set up for her deminse. That she die before some of the other jeaster or not. We still need to see.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:22   Link #924
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Like how everyone is solom over the new chapter, everything about Esdes character was a death flag, and considering how this story kis set up with villains and heroes dropping like flies it was obvious she wasn't going to be arc boss forever. Either way something was going to happen to her, either she change sides now, dies or is taken out of the story for a long period of time. This chapter doesn't doesn't rally change anything about either of those potential scenario's though if she were going to change sides it would require her to either lose her powers or get her ass kicked by a much stronger villain.

But either way her constant state of the embodiment of death flags hasn't changed. it simply means whatever is going to happen to her is gonna happen soon.
Agree. Although this ch really point out the thing even more. But honestly I can't see her change side especially after what we saw in this ch.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:29   Link #925
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@Soji, It's true that I haven't read the chapter, but killing off Esdese now before most Jaegers sounds really silly from plot progression POV. Esdese is leader of Jaegers to begin with and the group isn't an official part of the Empire's military structure. This team was created with her initiative on request from the Emperor, so if she dies now then the group is finished. This breaks all the build up the author had setup with Jaeger being the counterparts of Nightraid.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:32   Link #926
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Iron Maw@ To tell you the true. If Esdes really die I see the Jeaster become even more death set to kill NR.(if they are the one to kill her or the Jeaster think they are the one to blame)and if this happen I can see the PM gain them .Plus I'm pretty sure they have some one else to put in charge. Think about it for a second how much the Jeaster like Esdes if she die because NR will happen what I just say.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:34   Link #927
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Actually you just reminded me of her single life flag for her suriving beyond this arc, whatever that wing persons plan is, it's most probably not going to finished in this arc and Esdes will most probably see to some degree what that plan is and I don't really see Akame's sister dying in this arc either.

I could see her losing but not dying and in the end getting saved by her and then dissapearing for a bit. I mean unless this manga's going to end soon, which is not impossible there's going to have be another few sets of competant but also built up villains before the prime minister goes.

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Iron Maw@ To tell you the true. If Esdes really die I see the Jeaster become even more death set to kill NR.(if they are the one to kill her or the Jeaster think they are the one to blame)and if this happen I can see the PM gain them .Plus I'm pretty sure they have some one else to put in charge. Think about it for a second how much the Jeaster like Esdes if she die because NR will happen what I just say.
That would only work if someone else killed her, she's too far above her subordinates (even in character development) for her to be killed by the heroe's before her.
only Akame's sister and perhaps a small chance bird will die after her, if she is defeated by Night raid. Remember, kiling her pretty much wins the war, she has the same significance as the prime minister. Which a lot of people her seems to forget. Jaeger is useless as a organisation without her and the main villain is hugely weakened with her gone. unless a new more powerful villain is introduced she's going out near the end at least in regards to the Jaegers arc.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:44   Link #928
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@Soji: Again, Jaeger is Esdese's personal unit much like the Three Beasts were. Nobody else in the group has her ranking to keep them together after her death. If she, the so-called "Strongest in the Empire" fall to NR this early before most her men do, what confidence would the rest of Government have in people much weaker than her?

Like Tenchi pointed out, there's not much here to change her status from everyone other then simply fleshing out her character. This already happened many still living characters.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:47   Link #929
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I agree, killing her off this early before the war even started will off balance a great deal of things and make it rather boring without Esdese. If she is going to die which I am sure she will its going to be during the revolution. Final battle?

Maybe by that point Tatsumi will be strong enough to challenge her and kill her?
But in all honesty I do not see her being able to kill him if the final blow comes around, fight sure 1 v 1 but kill? I have my doubts and maybe he won't be able to do it either if it comes to to that.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:49   Link #930
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Tenchi Hou Take ,Iron Maw @ Ok I get the point . The problem is how that would work out. I thought that Tiegu user vs Teigu user one will die. And because I cant see Tatsumi and Akame die in this one. This mean that they will not face again Esdes and Kurome(if we go with Tenchi Hou Take theory).I mean , is true that Tatsumi survive again Wawe but that one was not a fight...i mean Tatsumi was try to run away and not fight. So i don't think we see the rule broken there.

OverSeer@ Same here. Even after what will happen in the 3 meeting(that i still think will be the sink of the ship) I don't think she will really able to kill him easy. Though ,we still don't know how she will react on all the lie(even if he had not choice) and when she find out everything else.
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:50   Link #931
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I also think Tatsumi will die during the final days of the war
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Old 2012-06-25, 14:54   Link #932
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Tenchi Hou Take ,Iron Maw @ Ok I get the point . The problem is how that would work out. I thought that Tiegu user vs Teigu user one will die. And because I can see Tatsumi and Akame die in this one. This mean that they will not face again Esdes and Kurome(if we go with Tenchi Hou Take) theory.I mean , is true that Tatsumi survive again Wawe but that one was not a fight...i mean Tatsumi was try to run away and not fight. So i don't think we see the rule broken there.
TBF there's dozen's of way's it could turn out, the rule only says someone will die, there's a whole bunch of people in Jaeger and Nightraid that could die in such a confrontation.

Like I said Esdes death is equilavent to the prime minister's death for the rebellion, meanining unless a new more power villain is introduced who kills her, she's going out damn near last.
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Old 2012-06-25, 15:00   Link #933
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Tatsumi also doesn't have to fight her now, If he did, he would be killed. As good as his progress has been it's not enough for such a battle.
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Old 2012-06-25, 15:28   Link #934
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TBF there's dozen's of way's it could turn out, the rule only says someone will die, there's a whole bunch of people in Jaeger and Nightraid that could die in such a confrontation.

Like I said Esdes death is equilavent to the prime minister's death for the rebellion, meanining unless a new more power villain is introduced who kills her, she's going out damn near last.
I understand what you mean. Is was me to undersatnd wrong the rule. I thought that one will die from every battle. While the rule say one will die regadless.

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Tatsumi also doesn't have to fight her now, If he did, he would be killed. As good as his progress has been it's not enough for such a battle.
That's for sure. I don't think that even if both Tatsumi and Akame with Su and/or mei help like again the doctor can give them the victor this time. Esdes is too strong she totally take down the same kind of enemy alone that they have to team up to kill.
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Old 2012-06-25, 16:59   Link #935
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I didn't see that coming
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Old 2012-06-25, 17:09   Link #936
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Old 2012-06-25, 17:14   Link #937
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so the images we saw of that man with someone similar to Esdese could it really be a younger her??
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Old 2012-06-25, 17:20   Link #938
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Lol, whats with everyone seeing deathflags everywhere for esdes. She's not going to die anytime soon. Same with Akame. I see Akame's sister dying before Esdes as it is.
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Old 2012-06-25, 17:27   Link #939
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so the images we saw of that man with someone similar to Esdese could it really be a younger her??
No, the hair style is different. In case anyone says 'but it looks like her', I'm just going to point out a LOT of the artists characters look alike. The daughter of the general who got killed by the 3 beasts earlier on? I thought she was esdes because they looked that alike -_-
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Old 2012-06-25, 17:32   Link #940
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No, the hair style is different. In case anyone says 'but it looks like her', I'm just going to point out a LOT of the artists characters look alike. The daughter of the general who got killed by the 3 beasts earlier on? I thought she was esdes because they looked that alike -_-
Yeah it doesn't seem to be her.
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