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Old 2013-10-28, 04:18   Link #2481
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If this could protect you from bombs at some range and if this could protect you from long armed bullets such as sniper rifles even at point blank. Damn, wars will become so useless if not with nuclear weapons or biological weapons. lol
Not going to happen (you need all that power to lift the powersource, if they add armor, it will still not be able to protect from armor breaking sniper rounds - soft targets remain soft targets). The only thing this will be in the foreseeable future is a logistics nightmare. But you can make good money with prototypes.
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Old 2013-10-28, 04:35   Link #2482
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Most girls are between A-B cups in Asia. I think showing your love for them instead of comparing them to the caucasian blonde is more realistic.
Hueh!? What happened to my C-cup East Asian Conspiracy!?
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Old 2013-10-28, 07:28   Link #2483
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Have scientists discovered how to stop breasts sagging & ageing?

YES YES YES! Flat chest is finally a status symbol!
No way, this means no more sagging. Or it means that you can reset smaller breast in to their 'growing period' BIG BREAST FOR EVERYONE!!!

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If this could protect you from bombs at some range and if this could protect you from long armed bullets such as sniper rifles even at point blank. Damn, wars will become so useless if not with nuclear weapons or biological weapons. lol
The reason I mentioned the battery is LiPo batteries have this nasty habit of catching fire when punctured (among other weaknesses), add that into a firefight... and you get the picture...
Add in too much armor and you defeat the purpose of the heavy lift in the first place
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Old 2013-10-28, 08:11   Link #2484
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No way, this means no more sagging. Or it means that you can reset smaller breast in to their 'growing period' BIG BREAST FOR EVERYONE!!!
Boob size is genetic dumbass. A pettanko will always remain as one!

And with age reversal, I can get a legal loli because of her DOB on her credentials! The police can't do anything about it! All hail science!

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The reason I mentioned the battery is LiPo batteries have this nasty habit of catching fire when punctured (among other weaknesses), add that into a firefight... and you get the picture...
Add in too much armor and you defeat the purpose of the heavy lift in the first place
It doesn't necessarily have to be a LiPo battery. It can be a simple sized-down fuel cell that can power the armour for days, combined with a solar-unit that reverses the chemical reaction of the cell, it can go on for a much longer time.

It would be more interesting though, if we can graft it onto the human body.

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Not going to happen (you need all that power to lift the powersource, if they add armor, it will still not be able to protect from armor breaking sniper rounds - soft targets remain soft targets). The only thing this will be in the foreseeable future is a logistics nightmare. But you can make good money with prototypes.
One lightweight alternative I am thinking of is piezoelectric armour, or that technology combined with liquid-colloid armor that hardens on impact, drawing power from the power-supply as necessary.
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Old 2013-10-28, 11:45   Link #2485
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I can get a legal loli because of her DOB on her credentials! The police can't do anything about it! All hail science!
it is obvious we need a Dokoro for Saints.

where do we sent the petition?
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Old 2013-10-28, 12:27   Link #2486
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it is obvious we need a Dokoro for Saints.

where do we sent the petition?
Sumeragi might be the one, given than she seem to have the best contact and influence.

But to be honest, I doubt than going the Dokoro way ( or any other violent way) would work, given the past attempt.
Hypnotizing, brainwashing could work better, no ?
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Old 2013-10-30, 16:43   Link #2487
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US Navy launches its largest and most modern destroyer yet, the USS Zumwalt (DDG 1000), whose unique appearance marks a tentative return to the tumblehome hull design, which has not been seen since WWI.

It'll take another year (they still need to install all the electronics, configure the ship computer and the onboard systems like the peripheral VLS and the two 155mm AGS cannons) until the ship is finally ready for commissioning, but I'm quite impatient to learn whether the tumblehome design is as unstable as its detractors tout it to be or if its wave-cutting ability will grant the Zumwalt a measure of stability/smoothness in rough seas.

On a more trivial (and eye-rolling, for me) note, it seems most news outlets are more interested in the fact that its first commander is a certain "Captain Kirk".
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Old 2013-10-30, 19:06   Link #2488
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...99T0TK20131030

Lockheed signs deal to design largest ocean thermal electric plant
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...99T18Z20131030
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Old 2013-10-31, 07:25   Link #2489
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US Navy launches its largest and most modern destroyer yet, the USS Zumwalt (DDG 1000), whose unique appearance marks a tentative return to the tumblehome hull design, which has not been seen since WWI.

It'll take another year (they still need to install all the electronics, configure the ship computer and the onboard systems like the peripheral VLS and the two 155mm AGS cannons) until the ship is finally ready for commissioning, but I'm quite impatient to learn whether the tumblehome design is as unstable as its detractors tout it to be or if its wave-cutting ability will grant the Zumwalt a measure of stability/smoothness in rough seas.

On a more trivial (and eye-rolling, for me) note, it seems most news outlets are more interested in the fact that its first commander is a certain "Captain Kirk".
Here's to hoping that this model will have less problems than the new LCS

My impression is that the US Navy is pushing out new classes of ships too fast. Off the top of my head there's the 2 classes of LCS, this destroyer and an aircraft carrier. Hopefully the shakedown and troubleshooting will not overwhelm the shipyards and affect operations.
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Old 2013-10-31, 07:35   Link #2490
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US Navy launches its largest and most modern destroyer yet, the USS Zumwalt (DDG 1000), whose unique appearance marks a tentative return to the tumblehome hull design, which has not been seen since WWI.

It'll take another year (they still need to install all the electronics, configure the ship computer and the onboard systems like the peripheral VLS and the two 155mm AGS cannons) until the ship is finally ready for commissioning, but I'm quite impatient to learn whether the tumblehome design is as unstable as its detractors tout it to be or if its wave-cutting ability will grant the Zumwalt a measure of stability/smoothness in rough seas.

On a more trivial (and eye-rolling, for me) note, it seems most news outlets are more interested in the fact that its first commander is a certain "Captain Kirk".
Destroyers, subs and carriers. These 3 ship types seem to be the main teeth of navies these days. What happened to cruisers?

Also, that commander's name certainly can't be coincidential
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Old 2013-10-31, 08:08   Link #2491
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The Zumwalt is technically a cruiser according to utility, but due to naval terms it doesn't match, namely because of the AGS.

Time to redefine the term I think.
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Old 2013-10-31, 08:17   Link #2492
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Destroyers, subs and carriers. These 3 ship types seem to be the main teeth of navies these days. What happened to cruisers?

Also, that commander's name certainly can't be coincidential
There's not much navies with cruiser anymore, the US and Russia might have most the current cruisers now.
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Old 2013-10-31, 08:25   Link #2493
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Here's to hoping that this model will have less problems than the new LCS
Well, at least the Zumwalt has an appropriate amount of weapons (though it carries less missiles than an Arleigh Burke) - the LCS (both designs) are woefully underarmed and under-protected for their size, but it seems they can't incorporate heavier weaponry without compromising their high speed and shallow water maneuverability capabilities. What remains to be seen, however, is whether the Zumwalt's tumblehome hull can withstand rough seas and whether the AGS cannons will perform well enough to be a viable ground support weapon (the AGS was supposed to fill the gap created by the inevitable retirement of the Iowa-class battleships).
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My impression is that the US Navy is pushing out new classes of ships too fast. Off the top of my head there's the 2 classes of LCS, this destroyer and an aircraft carrier. Hopefully the shakedown and troubleshooting will not overwhelm the shipyards and affect operations.
The big problem is that many of these programs have spiraled out of control (think US Army's FCS, USAF's F35, the USN's CG21 stealth cruiser [which was an upscaled version of the Zumwalt]) and the Pentagon is now scared to death of other financial fiascoes, so they're pushing these programs to term as quickly as possible. To make matters worse, some of the shipbuilders (like Northrop Grumman) have created a bevy of other hurdles, such as massive cost overruns, shoddy workmanship and bad quality control, which are seriously further denting the USN's budget. The Zumwalt, IIRC, was completed without significant cost overruns, but the ship itself costs a pretty penny already and the USN can't afford to let its programs get any pricier than that.

BTW, the Zumwalt class is only supposed to have three units, thanks to a very drastic budget cut. It was originally supposed to have ~30 members.

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Destroyers, subs and carriers. These 3 ship types seem to be the main teeth of navies these days. What happened to cruisers?
- Cruisers are probably too big (meaning: easier to detect) and expensive and with the USN becoming more and more drawn to littoral warfare (fire support, special forces deployment, etc), their important draft/displacement makes them uninteresting compared to the smaller destroyers. It also doesn't help that modern destroyers like the Arleigh Burke (thanks to their wider beam) displace more water than a WWII destroyer and are very close to being classified as missile cruisers, but the bigwigs often try to downplay things by slapping misleading labels on those ships (remember how Japan's newest helicopter carriers [Izumo and Hyuga] are sometimes classified as "helicopter destroyers" [DDH] or "antisubmarine platforms" to prevent China from screaming bloody murder?).

- Submarines are extremely hard to detect, which means they're perfect for surveillance, covert ops (deploying special forces close to the shoreline) and tactical missiles (cruise missile launches). Think about it - the reconverted USS Ohio (SSGN 726) carries 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, and the USN is now thinking about creating a stretched variant of the USS Virginia (SSN 774) with a significantly larger Tomahawk payload (up to 40 silos, compared to the original 12): they can be as deadly as a carrier air wing while being much stealthier.

- Carriers are the USA's premier force projection vector. Simple as that. They can reach areas of conflict in relatively little time and never sail without an escort fleet (submarines + destroyers), which means that deploying an aircraft carrier in a region like the Korean or Arabian peninsulas or the South China Sea is akin to deploying an entire army without the need to build land-based amenities.


Oh, and btw, I think either Brazil, Peru or Argentina still has a (post-WWII) cruiser up and about, so that makes three nations, not two.
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Old 2013-10-31, 11:30   Link #2494
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Isn't USS Zumwalt as big as a cruiser anyways?
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Old 2013-10-31, 11:42   Link #2495
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Isn't USS Zumwalt as big as a cruiser anyways?
It has 1.5 times the displacement of what we call a cruiser, but not enough to be a heavy cruiser (which is 2x the 10k ton displacement).

And it doesn't go pam paka paaam~, so no, it is a somewhere, inbetween, medium cruiser, which could be better summarised with the single word "destroyer".
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Old 2013-10-31, 12:39   Link #2496
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The Zumwalt-class probably doesn't have flag officer facilities to operate as a flagship. That seems to be the only real difference today between the Ticonderoga-class cruisers and the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. Though the Ticonderoga was originally suppose to be a destroyer type, it was reclassifed as a cruiser, mostly because the US had only a few cruisers compared to the Soviets even though out "Frigates" at the time wre basically as large and powerful as a Soviet cruiser. 1975 was a weird year for naming conventions in the US Navy.
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Old 2013-10-31, 14:50   Link #2497
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They are outfitting the ship with electronics, weapons ect. All the expensive stuff.
Is there really uncertainty about it withstanding rough sea at this point?
This thing did not do any tests like that yet?
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Old 2013-10-31, 15:06   Link #2498
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They had a smaller ship with that hull design for testing.
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Old 2013-10-31, 15:34   Link #2499
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The Zumwalt-class probably doesn't have flag officer facilities to operate as a flagship. That seems to be the only real difference today between the Ticonderoga-class cruisers and the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. Though the Ticonderoga was originally suppose to be a destroyer type, it was reclassifed as a cruiser, mostly because the US had only a few cruisers compared to the Soviets even though out "Frigates" at the time wre basically as large and powerful as a Soviet cruiser. 1975 was a weird year for naming conventions in the US Navy.
Speaking of frigate, is it me or they also seem to disappear, like the cruiser ?
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Old 2013-10-31, 15:35   Link #2500
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They are outfitting the ship with electronics, weapons ect. All the expensive stuff.
Is there really uncertainty about it withstanding rough sea at this point?
This thing did not do any tests like that yet?
Before adopting new (radical) hull designs, the USN usually builds scale models first. For example, they built a quarter-scale version (the LSV-2 Cutthroat) of the new Virginia-class attack submarine to test its hull's stealth, hydrodynamics, hydroacoustics and other technologies (new type of servos for the diving planes, new pump-jet, chin sonar, conning tower's front slope, etc.). In the Zumwalt's case, they built a 133-foot demonstrator called the Sea Jet, which they've used on a lake in Idaho to test the design.


Anyway, the video below should give you an idea of the advantages (stability and lesser resistance) and downsides (tendency to pitch and quickly roll in rough seas, meaning the ride can get quite uncomfortable for the sailors) of a tumblehome hull.

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