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Old 2013-05-23, 16:23   Link #2901
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Hence why I said he's a chameleon ant.
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Old 2013-05-23, 16:27   Link #2902
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So... You just defeated your own argument considering Meleoron's invisibility.
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Old 2013-05-23, 17:24   Link #2903
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Dont forget we have already been introduced to magic animals in the first arc(those talking shape-shifting foxes), also neon did collect parts of mythic creatures , so in this world there could easily be a chameleon that simply turns invisible.
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Old 2013-05-23, 17:57   Link #2904
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Dont forget we have already been introduced to magic animals in the first arc(those talking shape-shifting foxes), also neon did collect parts of mythic creatures , so in this world there could easily be a chameleon that simply turns invisible.
Pretty sure Neon only collected human parts. Like, deformed skulls from people with obscure diseases and whatnot. I think there was mention of a "Unicorn Tribe" or something, but it was just a human skull with a small horn on the forehead.
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Old 2013-05-24, 01:32   Link #2905
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An actual animal that can turn invisible is not out of place in this world. Remember the magical fox beasts that can turn into people?
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Old 2013-05-24, 01:34   Link #2906
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So... You just defeated your own argument considering Meleoron's invisibility.
Not really. Just because Mel isn't a chameleon doesn't mean his invisibility will be due to his part chameleon. The fact remains that chameleons can't turn invisible so Mel's invisibility can't be totally explained by his chameleon genes.
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Old 2013-05-24, 01:37   Link #2907
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Not really. Just because Mel isn't a chameleon doesn't mean his invisibility will be due to his part chameleon.
Considering the fact that he looks like a chameleon, that probably has something to do with it. Meleoron's chameleon ability probably got upgraded by whatever other genes the Queen had access to.
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Old 2013-05-24, 01:40   Link #2908
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That's why I'm saying it must be a nen ability. No doubt it's related to it but it can't be totally explained by it.
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Old 2013-05-24, 01:45   Link #2909
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That's why I'm saying it must be a nen ability. No doubt it's related to it but it can't be totally explained by it.
As I already said, the ants don't know about nen, so if Meleoron had a nen ability, they would have known about it already.
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Old 2013-05-24, 02:03   Link #2910
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The spider recognized it as "life energy" so it's possible they know of it but don't really know what it can be used for. The idea of people having an aura of life energy that makes them stronger is less unusual than the idea that they can form arrows out of it and shoot people. Maybe they just think invisibility is a more natural use of it.

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Old 2013-05-24, 02:14   Link #2911
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Not really. Just because Mel isn't a chameleon doesn't mean his invisibility will be due to his part chameleon. The fact remains that chameleons can't turn invisible so Mel's invisibility can't be totally explained by his chameleon genes.
Haak, why is it hard for you to accept the idea of an invisible “chameleon” (let alone Chimera-Ant Chameleon) after you’re shown that there is a fox that can turn itself into a human (without involving nen) in this Hunter x Hunter universe? Those foxes don't use nen to transform into humans do they?

I'm not saying using nen to be invisible is impossible, mind you. Just please count the facts that these chimera ants have their innate non-nen abilities too.
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Old 2013-05-24, 02:56   Link #2912
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There are also plenty of people who exhibited strange abilities despite not using Nen. Ponzu and her unusual control over bees comes to mind. Killua's assassin ability as well.

I'm not exactly sure why everything HAS to be nen now anyways.
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Old 2013-05-24, 13:26   Link #2913
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As I already said, the ants don't know about nen, so if Meleoron had a nen ability, they would have known about it already.
I assumed it just came naturally to him and the others never bothered questioning it or couldn't understand it.

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Haak, why is it hard for you to accept the idea of an invisible “chameleon” (let alone Chimera-Ant Chameleon) after you’re shown that there is a fox that can turn itself into a human (without involving nen) in this Hunter x Hunter universe? Those foxes don't use nen to transform into humans do they?

I'm not saying using nen to be invisible is impossible, mind you. Just please count the facts that these chimera ants have their innate non-nen abilities too.
I assumed they did...

The reason I assume it's a nen ability because I prefer to explain things with elements that have been fully explained, rather than something that hasn't and would require one, thus raising more questions. That, to me, is the most reasonable discourse.
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Old 2013-05-24, 20:50   Link #2914
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The spider recognized it as "life energy" so it's possible they know of it but don't really know what it can be used for. The idea of people having an aura of life energy that makes them stronger is less unusual than the idea that they can form arrows out of it and shoot people. Maybe they just think invisibility is a more natural use of it.
There we go! Correct! It is important that you've realized this distinction in language, because it will be present throughout the arc.

In the original manga, Togashi often mismatches a furigana pronunciation with a Kanji pronunciation in order to indicate a character's true meaning. Thus far, we have seen this with Nen Abilities. Most recently, Pokkle's Nen Ability is pronounced "Rainbow," but the Kanji spell "Seven-Spectrum Array." Togashi doesn't limit this practice to Nen Abilities--he does it in dialogue incessantly. The most common example is the verb "yaru," which literally means "do" but has endless connotations. It can also mean "kill," "defeat," "fuck," et cetera. In this arc, Togashi practices this with extreme frequency in order to change the meaning of common Japanese phrases. I actually wonder how the anime will get the dual meanings across to viewers--it may be impossible.

First and foremost, we must remember that aura is literally "life energy." The point of the previous paragraph is that Togashi will have the Chimera Ants refer to "aura" as "life energy" in the furigana (spoken dialogue), but "Nen" is typically written in Kanji underneath.

Next, let us talk logistics. How was Pike able to sense Pokkle's arrows when the other ants could not? I am sure that most of you are aware that many animals have enhanced senses. So for example, what would a real-world example of "Zetsu" be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKdsnDa4kc

Are there animals whose vision is naturally better than humans?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glOsvm9t7ec

Neon Nostrade had the ability to use Nen even though she had no idea what it was. Meleoron can not only make himself invisible, but he can also make his clothes invisible. That should be a dead giveaway: the point is that the Chimera Ants are not only reproducing at a rapid rate, but with the ingestion of humans, they are evolving. You can see a clear hierarchy in ability between some ants and others. There are some that are incapable of human speech, such as the first generation ants and the Queen Chimera Ant. However, the second generation have gained some surprising traits after being mixed with human genes. Mix human intellect with the enhanced senses of animals and you get a dangerous combination.

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Old 2013-05-25, 04:50   Link #2915
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Does that mean we need to buy into the whole "Everything supernatural is nen" thing?
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Old 2013-05-25, 05:06   Link #2916
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Meleoron can not only make himself invisible, but he can also make his clothes invisible..
I think many of us here are aware that the clothes worn by those chimera ants are a “non-issue” in terms of Togashi’s storytelling. The existence of those clothes itself is already ridiculous to begin with. So, I think “the clothes turned invisible along with the wearer” is just another “non-issue” where we shouldn’t think too much about it (just like the out-of-nowhere nature of those fancy clothes).

I'm not denying that some of them (so far) have some grasp of understanding about "life energy" to a degree. But are you sure Meleoron's invisibility is due to nen, and nen only?
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Old 2013-05-25, 15:43   Link #2917
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it all falls into the speciality category, animals could be able to use that kind ability, similar to how the kurta red eyes can let them use all nen types at 100, making such an ability a trait of the race.
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Old 2013-05-25, 15:52   Link #2918
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We don't know if Emperor Time is something shared amongst all of the Kurta.

Also, if invisibility were to be a Nen ability, it would be a transmuter ability, not a specialist ability.
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Old 2013-05-25, 17:52   Link #2919
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speciality doesn't have any restrictions, chrollo's appears to be the conjurer type while kurapika's emperor time its more of enhancement, also there is sephile who without any knowledge of nen was able to imbue its copies with nen, and even if animals weren´t able to use nen, the fact that he is a chimera ant would make him able to.
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