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Old 2012-06-18, 10:19   Link #1361
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Why does he need to learn nen at all?

He wants to be a doctor with money.
But he's still a hunter. He'd probably need some power to get more income if necessary, as well as getting some strength when he's working with his friends. I don't think he loves the idea of being the weak guy next to the others who kept helping him all the time during the exam.
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Old 2012-06-18, 13:18   Link #1362
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I found it kind of strange that Specialist is "in the hexagon" at all, given it's the "none of the above" category.
Not particularly. I don't think this is a spoiler, but it's because Specialization types tends to have the highest compatibility and co-usage with the other two adjacent types, much like the explanation Wing was giving about Enhancer types
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Old 2012-06-18, 14:48   Link #1363
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Agree this type of villain troupe has been done before, but Hisoka is given a pedo/sexual predator angle for it so I think there's enough twist to this shounen troupe to make him not so typical. At least I remember back when this character was written in 1998, it was shocking and really out there back then to see the typical shounen manga's "obsession with fighting" idea get eroticized (and people wondered how Togashi could get away with stuff like that in Jump). Maybe this idea got rip off over the years now so you just think it's 'typical'. The pedo vibes came from his preoccupation with the unriped 'green fruit' (basically jailbait), that just fighting someone powerful alone isn't enough, but the anticipation process of an unriped, young powerful fighter further gave Hisoka that extra arousal. I thought while it's totally mess up, it's rather genius characterization. Hisoka is written in ways that's full of sexual puns from the very beginning, from the names of his skill (Elastic Love), to the deliberate poses (you'll find phallic shapes in his poses/hand gestures), to the dialogues (the word choices he used to refer to killing/fighting are on the lines of 'doing/banging you')
I know it's intentional but I just feel it's trolling for the sake of it. Even if it's done well, the concept is still too ridiculous for me(Like everything in Aquarion Evol).

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As for people thinking about Leorio, I don't even know why he's still considered to be a main character. He got access to the money, and now he can become a doctor and start helping people. His story is finished. What more does he need to do?
I just find him an interesting character. He's pretty much the only major character I've seen that doesn't put power levels high on his priority list (even to the point of putting his medical studies ahead of Nen training), which is pretty rare in action shonen. And since there's no bad guy trying to take over the world and the world itself is hinted at being a Crapsack World, I just think this particular world is the type that needs less fighters and more people like Leorio who aspire to become doctors.

And I think that there's plenty of ways in which his story can go. From what little we were given, it was my impression that Leorio grew up in a society that was in constant conflict. It would be interesting to see Leorio return to that place (or work in another place where there is conflict) and see how he copes. I've also felt that given the way the show has given such focus on his relationship with Kurapika, the show is trying to lead that relationship somewhere and I can easily see it leading to conflict between the two. And that would be very interesting imo.

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Why does he need to learn nen at all?

He wants to be a doctor with money.
If I recall correctly, he also said he wants to be able to help those who can't afford medical treatment, so he requires a constant and sufficient source of funds which only a Hunter's License can bring.
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Old 2012-06-18, 17:06   Link #1364
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Not particularly. I don't think this is a spoiler, but it's because Specialization types tends to have the highest compatibility and co-usage with the other two adjacent types, much like the explanation Wing was giving about Enhancer types
Pretty much this. Most Specialist Hatsu in the story use either Conjurer or Manipulator (or both) abilities to instantiate their weird effects.

Also in reverse, Conjurers and Manipulators have a small chance (but higher than others) of later developing a Specialist ability.
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Old 2012-06-18, 18:24   Link #1365
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Why does he need to learn nen at all?

He wants to be a doctor with money.
It's not like nen is just for fighting. Did you already forget Machi, who perfectly re-attached Hisoka's arms using nen? Nen can help him be a better doctor, who can help more people while needing less money.

I believe when Wing first introduced it, he said that great artists and leaders also used nen. It's basically the skill of "geniuses" who stand above others. Whether you're a genius fighter like Hisoka or a genius doctor like what Leorio wants to be is a matter of choice (and aptitude, I guess).
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Old 2012-06-18, 19:46   Link #1366
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I know I'm late to the party but, wow, what an incredible episode.
The explanation of the nen types was wonderfully done and easy to follow.

The fight was certainly the highlight. It was beautifully directed and the animation was impeccable. I was a bit concerned it wouldn't live up to the lofty expectations... but I'm happy to say that it did
I just hope the quality remains as high for the following episode.

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Old 2012-06-18, 22:18   Link #1367
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I say they want it to be a surprise when they meet up again.
"Oh, by the way, I learned nen as well."
"Really?"
It's not that much of a surprise. The ED is showing them with their Hatsu class on the hexagon. Just compare the hexagram at 05:12 with the ED animation.

Gon - Enhancer
Killua - Transmuter
Kurapika- Conjurer
Leorio - Emitter

So then that would mean that Kurapika is the most dangerous one in the group? He's a Conjurer with allied spots of Specialist and Transmuter.
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Old 2012-06-18, 22:37   Link #1368
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So then that would mean that Kurapika is the most dangerous one in the group? He's a Conjurer with allied spots of Specialist and Transmuter.
Why exactly would you think that makes him the most dangerous?
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Old 2012-06-18, 22:43   Link #1369
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Why exactly would you think that makes him the most dangerous?
He has the wildcard attribute as one of his closest ones along with Conjurer as the main one and Transmuter as another ally. So he can change his aura, duplicate it and do things that whatever the Specialist one can do.

The most dangerous would prob be landing as a Specialist with manipulator and conjurer.
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Old 2012-06-18, 22:48   Link #1370
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I suppose as a wildcard it's potentially dangerous, but also potentially useless. Depends on what they use it for. Enhancer is the most dangerous in the traditional sense, since it just makes you faster, stronger, and have better reflexes, as well as whatever else you might want to Enhance (quantity of water?).
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Old 2012-06-18, 22:55   Link #1371
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I suppose as a wildcard it's potentially dangerous, but also potentially useless. Depends on what they use it for. Enhancer is the most dangerous in the traditional sense, since it just makes you faster, stronger, and have better reflexes, as well as whatever else you might want to Enhance (quantity of water?).
Well. odds are they aren't going to be using a wildcard attribute to play chess. The specialist side just looks more dangerous. Manipulate objects, make things. and wildcard.

Enhancer.. strenghthens things. throws out aura, possible change aura.
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Old 2012-06-18, 22:55   Link #1372
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Enhancer is also the most straightfoward abilty, which makes a big difference in battle, since there is no need to understand its powers, making it easy to fight against. Enhancer = RAW STRENGTH INCREASE, basically.

Conjurer/Specialist etc all have different kinds of abilities.
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Old 2012-06-18, 23:13   Link #1373
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The thing is though, if you're not good enough at Enhancing, the Enhancer can just kill you before you can come up with a plan, since you can't effectively dodge or block. You need a base level of general battle skills to even stand a chance, and that's the weakness of the other side of the hexagon.
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Old 2012-06-19, 00:12   Link #1374
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The thing is though, if you're not good enough at Enhancing, the Enhancer can just kill you before you can come up with a plan, since you can't effectively dodge or block. You need a base level of general battle skills to even stand a chance, and that's the weakness of the other side of the hexagon.
But if you conjure the double and manipulate it, then you don't have to dodge and block. Or you just go on the offensive and conjure up other things to throw in the Enhancer's path. If the wildcard does even more dangerous stuff, then the Enhancer could be toast.
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Old 2012-06-19, 03:58   Link #1375
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It's not that much of a surprise.
I meant for Gon and Killua.
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Old 2012-06-19, 04:33   Link #1376
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Wow, that's now that's what you call a anime fight.
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Old 2012-06-19, 05:04   Link #1377
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But if you conjure the double and manipulate it, then you don't have to dodge and block. Or you just go on the offensive and conjure up other things to throw in the Enhancer's path. If the wildcard does even more dangerous stuff, then the Enhancer could be toast.
Conjurer and Manipulator aren't very compatible, however.

Anyway, Conjurer abilities are very complicated to use, and Specialist abilities even moreso - provided they even have Specialist abilities in the first place. A specialist ability isn't something you imagine. It's something you either can or can't do. Being a Conjurer increases your chances of developing a Specialist ability. It doesn't guarantee it. Besides, Specialist does not mean more powerful.

Enhancer abilities on the other hand are literally MEANT to make you go "over 9000", if you'll pardon the meme. You'll understand what I mean better if you know more about the story. But in direct hand-to-hand combat, no one can beat an Enhancer, provided the "experience level" of combatants are roughly the same.

Which is why nen users that aren't Enhancers often don't opt for hand-to-hand combat when it's against Enhancers.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:24   Link #1378
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Enhancer is also the most straightfoward abilty, which makes a big difference in battle, since there is no need to understand its powers, making it easy to fight against. Enhancer = RAW STRENGTH INCREASE, basically.

Conjurer/Specialist etc all have different kinds of abilities.
Raw strength increase, raw defense increase, raw speed increase increase and -not entirely unimportant- raw healing increase. Gon's arm healing in half the time? Not a coincidence. Taking it one step further, regeneration abilities would fall under enhancement.

Don't underestimate enhancers simply due to its preceived simplicity.
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Old 2012-06-19, 08:45   Link #1379
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This episode's fight shows why I rate Madhouse so highly in term of fighting scenes animation and choregraphy.
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Old 2012-06-19, 08:47   Link #1380
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Conjurer and Manipulator aren't very compatible, however.
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They become compatible when your primary is Specialist. So it all depends on what you do with your primary Hatsu.
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