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Old 2012-06-24, 02:45   Link #1441
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...First of all, Gyo isn't Ren. Not at all. Gyo is shifting aura from being spread evenly to instead emphasizing certain parts, especially the eyes. It's basically moving aura around, which seems like a pretty basic principle to me. A Conjurer obviously needs to use Gyo for the same reason everyone else does, to see invisible aura. And if, for example, someone like Kastro Conjured a separate body, he could then use Gyo to allocate more aura to it (maybe even see through its eyes). I don't see why you think Gyo is inapplicable to Conjuration.

As for Hatsu using all the basic principles... yes, that was exactly my point. Hatsu is everything. I agree completely that Hatsu is part of all the other techniques, and in fact that was my entire point. The other basic principles don't overlap in the same way. Using Ten and Zetsu at the same time makes no sense, because if you're suppressing your aura there's no way you can create a shroud of it around you. Unless you're doing it on different parts of your body or something. Ten, Zetsu, Ren, and Gyo are all ways to control your aura. Hatsu is a way to make your aura do something. Of course Hatsu will overlap with everything else, which is exactly why I think it's misleading to put it on the same level. Just the fact that it's being divided into 6 categories should clue you in that this another class of thing entirely. Another clue is that Wing lets them graduate without teaching them a thing about using Hatsu, leaving it entirely up to them to experiment with.

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Old 2012-06-24, 02:58   Link #1442
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This show is just astonishingly good at the moment, firing on all cylinders and we're not even at the most beloved arcs yet.
What I've generally observed to be the most beloved arc (and my personal favorite as well) is the next one, so yeah. Of course, that largely depends on how well it's adapted, but if it's as well as Heavens Arena, there shouldn't be any problems.

As for this episode, the highlight for me was Hisoka's warning to Gon:

"You should take care, because Transmuters are fickle. It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. So... Do not disappoint me, Gon."

Man, my ex-girlfriend would totally be a Transmuter. But yeah, that was the moment that made me fall in love with Hisoka. I liked him from the start, but I had mixed feelings about the extent to which he seemed to be entranced by Gon. If just felt as if Gon would never be in any real danger because Hisoka liked him so much he would never really consider harming him beyond repair. But that warning makes it clear that if Gon ever stops being the adorably spunky and ingenious little boy he is, Hisoka's interest will instantly wane and Gon will meet the same end as Kastro. Hisoka is actually quite demanding of his toys.
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Old 2012-06-24, 03:25   Link #1443
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Why is Hisoka being so depraved, so awesome?

Also wtf that made it into the anime? It's even worse than "SCHWING!".

Hisoka, never change.
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Old 2012-06-24, 04:21   Link #1444
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What I've generally observed to be the most beloved arc (and my personal favorite as well) is the next one, so yeah. Of course, that largely depends on how well it's adapted, but if it's as well as Heavens Arena, there shouldn't be any problems.

As for this episode, the highlight for me was Hisoka's warning to Gon:

"You should take care, because Transmuters are fickle. It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. So... Do not disappoint me, Gon."

Man, my ex-girlfriend would totally be a Transmuter. But yeah, that was the moment that made me fall in love with Hisoka. I liked him from the start, but I had mixed feelings about the extent to which he seemed to be entranced by Gon. If just felt as if Gon would never be in any real danger because Hisoka liked him so much he would never really consider harming him beyond repair. But that warning makes it clear that if Gon ever stops being the adorably spunky and ingenious little boy he is, Hisoka's interest will instantly wane and Gon will meet the same end as Kastro. Hisoka is actually quite demanding of his toys.
It's worse than that. What gets Hisoka off the most is breaking his favorite toys. So, yeah, if Gon stops improving, Hisoka will break him out of disappointment. But if he keeps maturing, at some point he'll be good enough that Hisoka won't be able to help himself and break him anyway.
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Old 2012-06-24, 04:33   Link #1445
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It's worse than that. What gets Hisoka off the most is breaking his favorite toys.
Yes, but breaking them at their best (or, to use his terminology, when they become ripe enough), which initially made me believe Gon was perfectly safe until he grew strong enough to be a challenge, which I felt was kinda lame. But as it turns out, he is in constant danger of being broken and discarded as trash if he doesn't measure up to Hisoka's expectations for him, which makes their rivalry that much more thrilling. To me, as a viewer, and probably to Gon as well.
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Old 2012-06-24, 06:20   Link #1446
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Old 2012-06-24, 07:45   Link #1447
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I dunno. There was some great animation and Hisoka did demostrate his cleverness impressively, but the peadophilic undertones just totally ruined it fo me. And it's not like the result was surprising either. But in any case, it was definitely a solid conclusion to this arc. Hopefully there will now be more focus on the other characters.
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Old 2012-06-24, 08:42   Link #1448
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Hisoka vs Gon continues.
As things are now, Gon just doesn't stand a chance.
Hisoka was just incredbile, his powers are amazing.
He managed to kick Gon's ass and lecture him all at the same time.
So this concluded their stay at Heavens Arena.
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Old 2012-06-24, 11:27   Link #1449
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I thought the fight with Hisoka was going to be even more brutal than it was and then when I realized that the ref was actually deliberately speeding up the fight so that Gon wouldn't really get hurt I was reminded of the end of chippy hockey games where the refs just starting tossing out misconducts for everything to get troublemakers off the ice.

Anyway looks like we get Keiko Han back next episode and that makes me a happy man.
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Old 2012-06-24, 11:53   Link #1450
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I thought the fight with Hisoka was going to be even more brutal than it was and then when I realized that the ref was actually deliberately speeding up the fight so that Gon wouldn't really get hurt I was reminded of the end of chippy hockey games where the refs just starting tossing out misconducts for everything to get troublemakers off the ice.

Anyway looks like we get Keiko Han back next episode and that makes me a happy man.
Not just the referee. My sense was that Hisoka was basically using the fight for two things - to get off, and to teach Gon a bunch of stuff he's not going to learn in Wing's textbook. Could Hisoka have won the fight easily? Of course, he could have killed Gon easily, but he didn't want to kill him, seriously hurt him or even break his spirit. Hisoka wants to nudge Gon forward and even encourage him so that he'll have that much more sick fun with him down the line.
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Old 2012-06-24, 12:02   Link #1451
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Yes, but breaking them at their best (or, to use his terminology, when they become ripe enough), which initially made me believe Gon was perfectly safe until he grew strong enough to be a challenge, which I felt was kinda lame. But as it turns out, he is in constant danger of being broken and discarded as trash if he doesn't measure up to Hisoka's expectations for him, which makes their rivalry that much more thrilling. To me, as a viewer, and probably to Gon as well.
Yeah. And even if he isn't seen as trash, Hisoka's the type that has serious problems waiting, even if he knows the "fruit" will be more delicious given a little time.

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Not just the referee. My sense was that Hisoka was basically using the fight for two things - to get off, and to teach Gon a bunch of stuff he's not going to learn in Wing's textbook.
And three (or 2bis), show off so Gon'll be even more excited for the eventual rematch.
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Old 2012-06-25, 10:54   Link #1452
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What an episode. 10/10. I want to see Gon absolutely destroy this cretin the next time they fight.
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Old 2012-06-25, 21:28   Link #1453
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What an episode. 10/10. I want to see Gon absolutely destroy this cretin the next time they fight.
Hisoka would only get off on it prob. I can wait a while before watching that. Once was enough for a year.

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Old 2012-06-26, 02:16   Link #1454
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Spoiler for Episode 36 - Old vs New:
Old version is full of fillers. I think elevator girl and other workers would be a nice touch but overall new version is more on point and it had more effect. Too much comical approach would destroy the spirit of series. Anyway I am loving the re-make so far :3
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Old 2012-06-26, 03:09   Link #1455
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I think they were added because HxH has very few female characters, especially in this arc.
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Old 2012-06-26, 04:33   Link #1456
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Here are my rating for the arc:
  • Episode 27: 7
  • Episode 28: 9.5
  • Episode 29: 9.5
  • Episode 30: 8.5
  • Episode 31: 9
  • Episode 32: 9.5
  • Episode 33: 8.5
  • Episode 34: 9
  • Episode 35: 9.5
  • Episode 36: 8

Best Episodes: 28, 29, 32, 35
Worst Episode: 27, 36

Things the new version did better: The plot, The characters, Nen, Hisoka x Kastro, First part of Gon x Hisoka
Things the old version did better: Second part of Gon x Hisoka, The farewell scene.
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Old 2012-06-26, 14:01   Link #1457
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Here are my rating for the arc:
  • Episode 27: 7
  • Episode 28: 9.5
  • Episode 29: 9.5
  • Episode 30: 8.5
  • Episode 31: 9
  • Episode 32: 9.5
  • Episode 33: 8.5
  • Episode 34: 9
  • Episode 35: 9.5
  • Episode 36: 8

Best Episodes: 28, 29, 32, 35
Worst Episode: 27, 36

Things the new version did better: The plot, The characters, Nen, Hisoka x Kastro, First part of Gon x Hisoka
Things the old version did better: Second part of Gon x Hisoka, The farewell scene.
why did you dislike 27th episode?
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Old 2012-06-26, 14:10   Link #1458
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why did you dislike 27th episode?
Nothing that's wrong with it, except it was just an exposition episode for the Heavens Arena arc and nothing that big happened yet. I usually don't give high scores for exposition episodes.
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Old 2012-06-27, 23:53   Link #1459
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Okay guys, here's a heads up for those who enjoy my posts. As of next Sunday, it'll be in a later time because I'll start a summer job.
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Old 2012-07-01, 02:20   Link #1460
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great episode this last one, the way they did the part where mito overhear gon and killua talking really moving, and the voice of ging, was very unexpected.
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