Claymore Chapter 118

[Claymore!]

So... what do guys you think about Raki being in chapter 118?



Damn, i missed the 200th post by a minute

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Nixl

wow, did Hox just translate Vinland Saga chapter 76 that fast. Heck, claymore 118 still is not even out.


Maybe, that is last months chapter he is catching up to.

I read that chapter of Vinland Saga a few days ago...

[Arlenis]

Ryus, there are other points to be made. Can we discuss this later? I imagine Ryus as being a tall and stoic man, and Claymore! being a young cute boy, so I must say that while I stand by my theories and understand they need a BIT of revision and will then be pretty much solid scientifically, I am apt to revere Ryus. Bottom Line is hysteria don't die.

[carbontaxes]

Ryus TBQH your reply cleared nothing up either. Look, either people believe that yoki power is set/or it is not... and either yoki power increases a commensurate amount upon awakening/it increases a chance amount or whatever. There are at least 2 separate dichotomies that final power rests on by the logic of the story... problem actually is the story itself.

I find it funny that someone has said "oh homerun" (so to speak) as though it's all solved, when the story itself does not present consistency in the theory of power. Either you are biologically restricted from your final AB power level that is consistent with your % yoma blood at inception... or you are unrestricted from this.

Either ranking within the organization itself (alluded to countless times --->) your yoki aura, or somehow it is not. What the battle is about cannot be solved because the story itself is not reconciling what Claymore biology is, to acquired experience... if that is even supposed to matter. So really your assertions can be just as true as a hitchhiker's. There is no determining factor in the end other than Yagi plot-armor imo. I mean, if we're talking "who be the baddest"


e.g. : Priscilla would annihilate Clare by sneezing at her biologically (yoki aura) speaking. to actually make anything else a real story you need to actually invent new rules. bar none this is the way it is.

[Superb]

Hi all. Former lurker here, I finally decided to make an account. I see the debating is hot and heavy right now, so I won't jump into to any of that. Just making a first post, and hoping the chapter is released soon

[Fermat]

Originally Posted by Claymore!

So... what do guys you think about Raki being in chapter 118?



Damn, i missed the 200th post by a minute

Funny... The manga which this thread is allotted for hasn't even come out yet, and we've already exceeded 200 posts. Read: We are effin' addicts. Haha!

As for Raki, though he has improved quite a bit, I still find his character bland and unappealing. Still, the thought of him and a human Clare ending up together doesn't seem too bad. The girl deserves to be happy, after all. As for him appearing in the chapter, it doesn't add to my excitement even the tiniest bit.

Originally Posted by Arlenis

Bottom Line is hysteria don't die.

Agreed, though I have a feeling that she will, however desperately I pray for some greater being to intervene.

[Claymore!]

a young cute boy

well thank you, thats strangely correct. I am young and a guy but i wouldn't call myself cute.

and i also pictured Ryus as a tall man

I do hope that Raki is in the chapter. He needs to escort those trainees away from the organization.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Arlenis

Ryus, there are other points to be made. Can we discuss this later? I imagine Ryus as being a tall and stoic man, and Claymore! being a young cute boy, so I must say that while I stand by my theories and understand they need a BIT of revision and will then be pretty much solid scientifically, I am apt to revere Ryus. Bottom Line is hysteria don't die.

That's perfectly fine... I don't object to the idea, in principle. I just see your model needing revision. I'm willing to debate it anytime or play devils advocate for you.

Well, I am 27 (just turned so two weeks ago) but how tall is tall in your opinion? (Yes, I can be quite stoic at times and can give a great Clare like death stare too)

[Ulquihorror]

omg so old! O_O

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by carbontaxes

Ryus TBQH your reply cleared nothing up either. Look, either people believe that yoki power is set/or it is not... and either yoki power increases a commensurate amount upon awakening/it increases a chance amount or whatever. There are at least 2 separate dichotomies that final power rests on by the logic of the story... problem actually is the story itself.

I find it funny that someone has said "oh homerun" (so to speak) as though it's all solved, when the story itself does not present consistency in the theory of power. Either you are biologically restricted from your final AB power level that is consistent with your % yoma blood at inception... or you are unrestricted from this.

Either ranking within the organization itself (alluded to countless times --->) your yoki aura, or somehow it is not. What the battle is about cannot be solved because the story itself is not reconciling what Claymore biology is, to acquired experience... if that is even supposed to matter. So really your assertions can be just as true as a hitchhiker's. There is no determining factor in the end other than Yagi plot-armor imo. I mean, if we're talking "who be the baddest"


e.g. : Priscilla would annihilate Clare by sneezing at her biologically (yoki aura) speaking. to actually make anything else a real story you need to actually invent new rules. bar none this is the way it is.

It wasn't my intention or my purpose to make a conclusion. I was merely playing devils advocate to help Arlenis hammer out the inconsistencies in her said theory. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry but I felt your "fix" to my quandary didn't actually address the issue so I just tried to show it. If you feel it still does reword it. I'm not trying to be rude here, just trying to help you get your thought from something nice sounding in your head to something worthy of an essay that can take some contrasting viewpoints without breaking apart entirely.

As to your point... well that is my point. She had a set and limited conclusion on a series that had nothing clearly set in stone and hadn't taken in some conflicting dialog and made it work for her theory instead of not realizing that they where there at all.

[Ryus]

@Superb Welcome! and awesome name and ava to match

Originally Posted by Ulquihorror

omg so old! O_O

Hey, invest a few years reading some stuff and you'll want to see how it ends... if it ever does.

There's 80 year old fans of Harry Potter, so I wouldn't call myself old... i can name quite a few members on the Claymore forum older than I. For there sake, I won't say whom they are.

[Falcor]

One thing to keep in mind when discussing youki potential: since everyone is unique in one aspect or another, these variations can easily explain away any apparent inconsistencies. Simply put, comparing character X and character Y is akin to comparing apples and oranges. While possibly entertaining, it is inevitably fruitless.

Since I already posted exhaustive expositions on this subject in previous chapter threads, I'll leave it at that.

[Arlenis]

Claymore! Please. You're probably as cute as Raki is...when he's a little boy. Which is adorable. You're nice enough.
Ryus, I'm thinking 5'11 at least. LOL.
Fermat, what greater being could intervene? I fear our hope for Hysteria might exist in vain. However, Hysteria herself might be partially awakened considering the fact that she was "past her limits" before being killed and is now resurrected, meaning that she is a half awakened. However, I don't think she was past her limits in the first place and the Org. wanted to get rid of her for some reason and just lied as usual and told people she was past her limits and so the story stuck. I believe she fought for her life BEcause she knew she was being attacked for the wrong reason or because she was like wtf I'm going to defend myself. F*** this! Perhaps....
Anyhow and by the way, Ryus, twenty-seven is not old at all; I imagined older anyhow considering your "Older" claymore avatar.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Arlenis

Claymore! Please. You're probably as cute as Raki is...when he's a little boy. Which is adorable. You're nice enough.
Ryus, I'm thinking 5'11 at least. LOL.
Fermat, what greater being could intervene? I fear our hope for Hysteria might exist in vain. However, Hysteria herself might be partially awakened considering the fact that she was "past her limits" before being killed and is now resurrected, meaning that she is a half awakened. However, I don't think she was past her limits in the first place and the Org. wanted to get rid of her for some reason and just lied as usual and told people she was past her limits and so the story stuck. I believe she fought for her life BEcause she knew she was being attacked for the wrong reason or because she was like wtf I'm going to defend myself. F*** this! Perhaps....
Anyhow and by the way, Ryus, twenty-seven is not old at all; I imagined older anyhow considering your "Older" claymore avatar.

Hmm... have debated that about Hysteria myself. Can't wait to find out why she didn't submit and if the idea is true or not.

As too me well I am taller than that... by an inch (without shoes, socks, or hair; just feet to top of skull; I specify this since my dad used to measure himself with shoes and his hair and it drove me nuts (OMG the ego )) and how old where you thinking? () I use Raphaela since in a way she has a very similar character arc to Clare but took a darker path with no second thoughts and I saw it as foreboding of what could have happened to Clare 2 1/2 years ago... then I fell in love with her once she shared her memories with Clare since I viewed it as her way of warning Clare what her chosen path will lead to (you know two kindred souls meeting and one recognizing the other right away about what they are and trying to save them from following there path). Now, I just kinda view it as the most "me" Claymore icon. I even changed it once or twice and had fellow members flip out on me when I changed it to Jean once (Now I dress Raphaela up in a Halloween costume and Christmas hat during the holidays)

[rafael1932]

Originally Posted by Ryus

I'm sorry carbon but you failed to address the point. Riful implicitly said there awakened power will rise if they become stronger rather than if they awaken now, thus tying there current power and awakened powers level. :

It could be yagi talking but I would like to see an example.

Plus, lets not start to give attributes to riful just because she is powerful. She is only an abyssal. She has some training at hiding her yoki that fools claymores that aren’t eyes.

In order to come with this conclusion we have to:
. have plenty claymores with the same yoki potential– the power of the claymores come randomly, so it is impossible to make this study
. the gradient in which the power grows up is different from claymore to claymore, so riful cant measure this as well
. riful have to be an eye or help of an eye- she is not an eye or have help of an eye

The objective of the half awakening is to allow to deneve and miria- etc- to fight against single digits in a way that they look garbage. The half awakening does not give a small gap but a very big one in terms of yoki quality and quantity and we can see that Cleary. What riful says it is simple impossible to see. Consider pris before and after awakening. There is a huge gap when they awake – and this is also impossible to measure again because people are different and they have different gaps.

So, in the end, rifuls words don’t make any sense

[Arlenis]

Ryus, I wasn't expecting you to be any older than 27. Heh. Taller than six feet..... Well then, ..... I too admire Rafaela's character. She's the only claymore I've developed a crush on...and I'm not even into other girls!

[Fermat]

Originally Posted by Arlenis

Fermat, what greater being could intervene?

Oh, I meant that in a religious/spiritual sense, i.e. praying to a higher being to influence Yagi to keep Hysteria.

As for her defending herself, she does seem to hold herself in high regard, as seen when she told Miria she didn't like being ignored. A scenario wherein Hysteria kills rambling, stupid claymores who've all been fooled into attacking her isn't entirely implausible.

Warrior: Hysteria, the Organization has sent us to purge you, for you have surpassed your limit.
Hysteria: But I haven't...
Warrior: Die! *charges*
Hysteria: Hmph! Fool, I'd rather kill you than waste my time explaining... *does an Elegant Mirage*

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by rafael1932

It could be yagi talking but I would like to see an example.

Plus, lets not start to give attributes to riful just because she is powerful. She is only an abyssal. She has some training at hiding her yoki that fools claymores that aren’t eyes.

In order to come with this conclusion we have to:
. have plenty claymores with the same yoki potential– the power of the claymores come randomly, so it is impossible to make this study
. the gradient in which the power grows up is different from claymore to claymore, so riful cant measure this as well
. riful have to be an eye or help of an eye- she is not an eye or have help of an eye

The objective of the half awakening is to allow to deneve and miria- etc- to fight against single digits in a way that they look garbage. The half awakening does not give a small gap but a very big one in terms of yoki quality and quantity and we can see that Cleary. What riful says it is simple impossible to see. Consider pris before and after awakening. There is a huge gap when they awake – and this is also impossible to measure again because people are different and they have different gaps.

So, in the end, rifuls words don’t make any sense

I agree you have a point with point 1 we don't simply have enough samples to really judge the ranks besides in a broad sense. However point 2 relies on assumptions about point 1 since for any type of study as stated in point one we'd need many sample warriors with the same yoki potential to compare and contrast so we should exclude it though it is a valid conceptually.

With point 3 and the last half involving Riful in point 2 your making a lot of assumptions that Riful can't judge powers just based on the fact she's not an eye... Miria isn't an eye but can sense power levels very clearly and Riful does have around 100 years of witnessing just how strong warrior can become after awakening. Plus who know how many or few warriors she purposely pushed over there limits just since it amused her. Eyes can read yokis at distance better, suppressed yokis better, and apply there reading to techniques such as manipulation or prediction. However every warrior can judge an ABs power once they awakened and any warrior witnessing hundreds of warrior awaken over the last century or so is a valid source on the matter... true an eye like Galatea would be a better source but none the less Riful was no fool and rather wise about yoki and it's abilities by all known accounts.

While I agree this statement made by Riful isn't the end all it does have to be account for in any theory about power level growth or lack there of. My point was the said theory didn't.

Yagi, never stated his objective with half awakenings... what are you drawing that conclusion on? Look I fully believe in yoki potential, in fact I'm one of it's strongest proponents here . However, at this point in time all we know about half awakened beings is that they can revert after crossing there limits and gain larger power boosts by doing so. Riful also seemed to speculate that at least they could raise there yoki levels after having become such. Some have claimed she meant all warrior and others not (not going to get into it here) however the point is her character was likely wise enough to make a solid and well founded speculation on the matter.

Not much in this manga makes sense when you really start thinking about it when it comes to just what yoki is and how it works... but it's fun as hell to debate about. I view it more as making well founded arguments than ending up being right or wrong... it's the journey not the destination that truly matters.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Arlenis

I too admire Rafaela's character. She's the only claymore I've developed a crush on...and I'm not even into other girls!

Spoiler for That's cause she's super sexy:

Spoiler for She just hides her feelings all the time so no one notices besides those really looking past the mask:

[FormerAbyssalone]

No raw Im dissapoint peoples!!!!! :P