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Old 2004-04-01, 13:18   Link #1
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It is now legal to file share in Canada

This is part of an article from www.canada.com:

The ruling follows a recent decision by the Copyright Board of Canada that downloading music in this country is legal.

Von Finckenstein said that downloading a song or making files available in the shared directories does not constitute copyright infringement under the current Canadian law.

"No evidence was presented that the alleged infringers either distributed or authorized the reproduction of sound recordings," he wrote in his 28-page ruling. "They merely placed personal copies into their shared directories which were accessible by other computer users via a P2P service."

He compared the action to a photocopy machine in a library. "I cannot see a real difference between a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P service," he said

The whole story can be found at: http://www.canada.com/entertainment/...6-3a0919e6c310
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Old 2004-04-01, 13:22   Link #2
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Old 2004-04-01, 13:26   Link #3
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The guy's comparison is wholly faulty. A single photocopier cannot reproduce an entire copy of a book instantly and in equal quality. In fact, to sit and photocopy an entire book is time consuming, expensive, and illegal. There's a number of other flaws in this comparison, which have been stated repeatedly elsewhere.

Personally I think the judge's ruling is indicative of a lack of knowlege on the subject. Filesharing is not illegal, never has been. But copyright violation is, and that's what 90% of the activity on DC++, Kazaa, WinMX, etc. involves.
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Old 2004-04-01, 13:29   Link #4
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The guy's comparison is wholly faulty. A single photocopier cannot reproduce an entire copy of a book instantly and in equal quality.
Even dvdrips aren't created instantly, and they are far from exact copies.

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In fact, to sit and photocopy an entire book is time consuming, expensive, and illegal.
So is ripping a dvd.
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Old 2004-04-01, 14:02   Link #5
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Doesn't matter if it's not an exact copy, at 1% compression or 90% it's the same copyrighted work. Granted they'll care less as compression goes up, but it's still the same.

Ripping a DVD and giving thousands of others access to it isn't nearly as time consuming as doing the same with a photocopier to a book. Once compressed, that dvd can be copied quickly an infinite number of times. A photocopy of a book has to be made one page at a time, for each copy of the book that is made. Subsequent copies of the photocopies would also look worse, while the digital copy of the DVD would be the same.

Digital distribution is opening a new can of worms here, and people seem content to pillage simply cause they can.

This is why people own guns, you know. Some people can't be trusted to behave responsibly should something unusual come along, but you don't know who until it happens.

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Old 2004-04-02, 00:46   Link #6
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I dont know whether i should be pissed or forget about it. anywho the RIAA is whacked.
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Old 2004-04-02, 01:56   Link #7
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Digital distribution is opening a new can of worms here, and people seem content to pillage simply cause they can.
it certainly is a whole new can of worms; an emerging trend, an indication of the direction the consumers want the market to go. the riaa and ilks current efforts aren't doing anything but undermining that tide. until they pick up the slack and become leaders pushing for development on that front rather than detractors, they will simply end up on the losing side of the equation; and the "pillaging" will continue unabated.
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Old 2004-04-02, 02:42   Link #8
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it certainly is a whole new can of worms; an emerging trend, an indication of the direction the consumers want the market to go. the riaa and ilks current efforts aren't doing anything but undermining that tide. until they pick up the slack and become leaders pushing for development on that front rather than detractors, they will simply end up on the losing side of the equation; and the "pillaging" will continue unabated.
Where were you in this thread? LOL. Needless to say, I agree with you - I really think that downloading is popular not simply because it's free... Anyway, if you have some spare time some day, you should read through that thread - it had interesting points on all sides.
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Old 2004-04-02, 10:33   Link #9
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an indication of the direction the consumers want the market to go.

The direction the people who download mp3s and movies like crazy want that direction to be "free." This is not feasable because music and movies require money to make, and they get the money to make it in the hopes that they will get their money back from ticket sales and DVD sales later on.

If they cannot get their money back on the venture cause everyone wants it free and decides to get it free, then they will simply stop making them. Sure, some stuff will be made but it may not be what you like.
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Old 2004-04-03, 13:13   Link #10
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In short the artist (is how we call them ) they keep making zillion of dollars per year, and no because he went for 20 yrs to university no.no he only released
one tiny little book or song ...do you think its fair ?!



we should continue rippin and making fansubs ..because artists are
RICH enough ...if you violate copyrights by making copies of books at the library
with your library photocopier,we are also entitled to rip music cds
thats why the most famous softwares like nero, easy cd creator provide the tools
to rip..and now with XDVD copier and game dvd copiers we are going up in the piracy business ...companies provide the tools,we just have to use them

HAIL rippin ..if artists are gready so be it ..i am greedy too
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Old 2004-04-03, 21:05   Link #11
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You're an idiot.

Making a photocopy of a few pages of a book is fair use. Ripping a CD for your own personal use is fair use. Distributing those copies (or making them available for widespread distribution) is not fair use.

Copying games and dvds you don't own isn't fair use. Copying games and dvds just so you can get shit for free is not fair use.

artists are RICH enough

Are they? What gives you the right to decide they've made enough money, or that they've even made back their investment?

if artists are gready so be it

No one ever said the artists were greedy. The greedy get screwed.

i am greedy too

You're just cheap, and a tool.
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Old 2004-04-03, 21:19   Link #12
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In short the artist (is how we call them ) they keep making zillion of dollars per year, and no because he went for 20 yrs to university no.no he only released
one tiny little book or song ...do you think its fair ?!



we should continue rippin and making fansubs ..because artists are
RICH enough ...if you violate copyrights by making copies of books at the library
with your library photocopier,we are also entitled to rip music cds
thats why the most famous softwares like nero, easy cd creator provide the tools
to rip..and now with XDVD copier and game dvd copiers we are going up in the piracy business ...companies provide the tools,we just have to use them

HAIL rippin ..if artists are gready so be it ..i am greedy too
You're only allowed to photocopy 10 percent of a book. Anything more and it's technically illegal. Whether you'll ever get charged for such an infringement is another matter, but it's still illegal. It's the same with burning CDs, really. I'm pretty sure they don't go after you if you use it for personal use, even though it's still technically illegal if you don't own the original. It's only when you start selling it that the authorities take any sort of action.
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Learn to use quote tags!

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You're an idiot.
Flaming is a no-no! You're lucky a mod will probably over look your insultageness.

Since the courts couldn't prove any copyright breach occured they were incapable of placing charges. This is mostly due to the fact that the canadian ISPs refused to give up names.
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If we respected copyrights, fansubs wouldnt be
here for your selfish enjoyment



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You're an idiot..
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Old 2004-04-04, 18:49   Link #15
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Microlith:

If you read the article you would know that it was the Canadian Copyright Board that ruled that downloading was legal. Also that Canadian law is different from American law. The day you sit on the Supreme Court of Canada you can lecture us on copyright law, untill then maybe you should research the topic before you make your comments.

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Old 2004-04-04, 19:53   Link #16
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Microlith is well within his rights to make such statements. There is a big difference between supporting the use of p2p and celebrating this decision as a vote for piracy and saying that tools created for legal purposes are just here to help people pirate.
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Old 2004-04-05, 16:43   Link #17
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In responce to Methods comments, not once was piracy ever stated in any of the comments. I posted this information so that people would know that the uploading of copyrighted information would not get you sued in Canada. As far as I know piracy is still illegal, however the uploading and downloading of copyrighted infromation is not.
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Old 2004-04-05, 18:08   Link #18
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In a number of Yamano667's posts he iludes to openly supporting piracy and
copyright violation. I personally agree with microlith, that ruling should be
recanted and appealled.
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Old 2004-04-05, 19:05   Link #19
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Well Mr Paper beat me to the punch, but Ill go ahead and post.

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we should continue rippin and making fansubs ..because artists are
RICH enough .
Quote:
we are going up in the piracy business ...companies provide the tools,we just have to use them
Statements like those sound like he is advocating piracy
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Old 2004-04-07, 02:54   Link #20
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This ruling alows the fan subs that you enjoy to be created, without fear of legal action being taken against the fan subbers who create them. So if this ruling bothers you that much, stop downloading said fan subs. Wait for it to come out on DVD and watch it well after I have enjoyed the program. I do not advocate piracy in any way, so as long as fan subbers DO NOT charge money for what they do, or rip off the licensed and protected works ( piracy is illegal ), we can enjoy a product now instead of waiting and waiting for it to show up on our shelves. The ruling also means that the fan subs that we enjoy do not have to be removed from the net after it has been licensed and can be downloaded for personal use.
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