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Old 2004-04-23, 19:09   Link #201
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Just wondering:
AnimeOne has ep1 out on their site, but it's not listed here at Animesuki. Yet Tenjou Tenge is not listed in the license list, so I'd assume that Geneon hasn't yet affirmed or sold american copyrights. So then, why is it not available here at Animesuki? Just wondering. After all, I remember hearing that Geneon doesn't absolutely hold license to every Japanese show they co-produce or sponsor. It gives them a much stronger chance of getting it if they want to bring it here, but that doesn't mean they will, or that someone else won't get there first. So, Geneon's having produced TT or any OTHER film shouldn't mean much. I'm just wondering about this. Thx.
This thread gives some idea why the admins of this forum consider this series licensed.

Still waiting for a subtitled version since my Japanese doesn't stretch beyond "soca" and "dattebayo". Skin tight bath-towel! hmm. I should like this episode. *note to self - PM Kaoru if me comes accross those towels.
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Old 2004-04-24, 13:38   Link #202
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I've been through the forum for awhile, and it seems that the rule animesuki follows is that an anime isn't "licensed" util a company actually states their ownership and intent to act upon said ownership of a certain series.(by intent I mean that Viz probably has several sweet licenses hidden away that they aren't announcing right now for their own reasons, and until they do, it has no meaning to me). Thus, Kaleidostar was pre-licensed because ADV had not only co-produced it, but also clearly stated that part of their production deal was that they would distro the finished product in America. Without that last statement, Kaleidostar would not have been "licensed" in the terms I see at this site. So, until Geneon USA puts up a trailer, or announces its ownership, such films as Tenjou Tenge and Sounanda(also made by Geneon) are NOT licensed. I'm basically wondering if there was some announcement I haven't heard about, that somehow didn't get listed with the License List, or some other reason that AnimeOne's sub isn't linked on this site, and why this is in the license section.
Side note, TT is a very unique series. I couldn't stop laughing until the final creds. Never seen something that hilarious. One thing bothers me though. When the chibi transforms into a woman, why is it that THOSE transform first? Don't ever pause on that part. Terrifying image, that one.
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Old 2004-04-24, 23:26   Link #203
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Wooo.. episode 5 and 6 is going to be super-action-packed! I don't like "Double Impact" 's hair color and his voice doesn't seem as cool as I had hoped but still, he was reading a porn magazine so we know it's him .
hehe yeah... but his hair... what the heck?!?!?
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Old 2004-04-25, 18:02   Link #204
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the french title is "Hell & Heaven"

Tenjo literally means "above the heavens/sky". It usually just means heaven.

Tenge literally means "below the heaven/sky". It usually denotes the world we living, or Earth.

Roughly you can translate it to be "Heaven and Earth". It's a ancient Chinese term. Has the meaning of "everything in heaven and on Earth". The manga may have other meaning though; I don't follow it too well so I'm not sure.
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Old 2004-04-25, 20:56   Link #205
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yup, Tenjo is "above/in the sky", Tenge is "below the sky", however I think it's more Buddhism related in origin. One of Buddha's famous lines is "above the sky and below the sky, I'm the highest" (basically means "I'm the greatest in the entire universe").
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Old 2004-04-25, 21:36   Link #206
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yup, Tenjo is "above/in the sky", Tenge is "below the sky", however I think it's more Buddhism related in origin. One of Buddha's famous lines is "above the sky and below the sky, I'm the highest" (basically means "I'm the greatest in the entire universe").
No... Tenjou Tenge just simply means "everything in the world". When they append "唯我獨尊 (Wei2 Wo3 Du2 Zun1)", then the "greatest in the world" thing comes in and I don't think Buddha said that since Buddhism preaches of the discarding of ego & material concerns (any Buddhists here can verify this?). "天上天下,唯我獨尊" is a Chinese phrase and more often quoted in martial arts fiction.


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Old 2004-04-25, 21:37   Link #207
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I couldn't stop laughing until the final creds. Never seen something that hilarious.
Great to know, at least I'm not the only one! I can't think of another opening or ending that cracks me up so much! (although the new 4th OP on Naruto is pretty funny also!) *runs away before I'm called a Narutard*
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Old 2004-04-25, 23:12   Link #208
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Can you guys take pity on someone that doesn't read the manga and explain to me who Chiaki is?
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Old 2004-04-25, 23:16   Link #209
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Can you guys take pity on someone that doesn't read the manga and explain to me who Chiaki is?
Chiaki is Bob's girlfriend. She showed up in ep 2 and was then attacked in the laundromat. Seems that everyone's proportions got upgraded in ep 4.
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Old 2004-04-25, 23:33   Link #210
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Oh yeaaaah! I completely forgot about her.
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Old 2004-04-26, 01:43   Link #211
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No... Tenjou Tenge just simply means "everything in the world". When they append "Wei2 Wo3 Du2 Zun1", then the "greatest in the world" thing comes in and I don't think Buddha said that since Buddhism preaches of the discarding of ego & material concerns (any Buddhists here can verify this?). "Tian1 Shang4 Tian1 Xia4, Wei2 Wo3 Du2 Zun1" is a Chinese phrase and more often quoted in martial arts fiction.
Okay. Here's how it goes, kiddies. When using it by itself, "Tenjo Tenge" or "Tian Shang Tian Xia" means, "Everything in the known world", in Chinese and Japanese. It's used quite often in kungfu novels cus it was commonly used phrase in the ancient China. The Japanese since the Tang dynasty has been importing every facet of the Chinese language, and this term obviously was no exception.

Now "Tian Shang Tian Xia Wei Wo Du Zun" is what the Buddha said when he was born. There was a Sutra which stated that when Buddha Sakiyamuni was burn, he walked around and proclaimed this phrase before becoming a normal baby. Of course he didn't use Chinese, but in ancient Sanskcrit. The Chinese translation of what he said turn out to be that phase above, and it meant "In all of the world, I am the master/supreme" or something like that. "Tian Shang Tian Xia" in this sense is used not only to denote The entire world, but the entire Universe.

Now if you know a little about Buddhism, then you know there's no concept of self in Buddhism. However, what the Buddah meant was not himself, but the absoluteness of the truth he was about to teach, and the significance of the universal consciousness. This was a common misunderstanding about this phrase.

Now why does this manga uses it? My guess is that the main reason for importing Chinese language was for the understanding of Buddhist Sutras; I believe all major Japanese translators of Chinese language (and the invetors of the kana scripts) were Buddhist monks. So this phrase would have the same connotation and used like the pop Chinese fictions: to find out who's the supreme master of their school, I guess.

It is kinda ironic, cus the concepts in this manga was probably the antithesis of core Buddhist beliefs.
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Old 2004-04-26, 02:47   Link #212
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hehe yeah... but his hair... what the heck?!?!?
That's certainly different... I always thought it was blonde
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Old 2004-04-26, 10:14   Link #213
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Chiaki is Bob's girlfriend. She showed up in ep 2 and was then attacked in the laundromat. Seems that everyone's proportions got upgraded in ep 4.
True. How about that Chiaki! She is bold or what! Ep 4 was making up for the lack of ecchiness in the previous two episodes. This episode may have even made for future episodes in the ecchi department. I was disappointed that I didn't see any skin-tight towels (*shakes fist at Kaoru), except those were ordinary towels wrapped skin tight.
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One thing bothers me though. When the chibi transforms into a woman, why is it that THOSE transform first? Don't ever pause on that part. Terrifying image, that one.
Terrifying indeed. According to the anime, she transforms into that chibi form to mask her ki. So my theory is, when she transforms into her original self the circulation of the ki reaches THOSE first.
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Old 2004-04-26, 10:57   Link #214
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The series is progressing along at a nice pace, and there's promise of much better fighting to come. I also like how they introduced some rivalry between the two girls... definitely makes things more interesting. I'm counting this as one of the better anime of this seasons ^_^
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Old 2004-04-27, 03:22   Link #215
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For some strange reason I'm getting Ikkitousen vibes. Anyways It's starting to shape up real nice in the past 4 eps.
Spoiler for Tenjou Tenge ep4:
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Old 2004-04-27, 04:03   Link #216
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For some strange reason I'm getting Ikkitousen vibes.
That's because Ikkitousen was a (inferior) rip-off of Tenjou Tenge. Even though I don't like it when they tone down the fanservice, the show is still pretty entertaining. Ryuzaki getting demolished by 'Saga-mask' looked really painful. Also, I thought it was really funny when those 2 masked guys who were with Saga-mask had to yell 'Daaaaaaaa!', but you could tell they didn't really want to...
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Old 2004-04-27, 07:10   Link #217
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Yes--Ikkitousen can be said to be a rip-off of Tenjo Tenge. Normally I wouldn't use the word, "rip-off" because it sounds as if I'm oversimplifying things or it's too harsh in general. But we're not merely talking about vibes here. With regard to the manga, we're talking about a rip-off on a page-to-page scale. Maybe the stories of both are different, but I have no way of knowing since I haven't read a single page of Ikkitousen.
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Old 2004-04-27, 09:00   Link #218
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Wooo.. episode 5 and 6 is going to be super-action-packed!
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Old 2004-04-27, 09:09   Link #219
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Actually I'm glad they didn't try to make Bob sounds like a foreigner, you know like those typical black people in anime and they start giving them strange accent.

Bob actually sounds cool. ^^
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Old 2004-04-27, 09:34   Link #220
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For some strange reason I'm getting Ikkitousen vibes. Anyways It's starting to shape up real nice in the past 4 eps.
Some people have done a page-by-page comparison of the Ikkitousen manga and the Tenjou Tenge manga, and oh boy were those hilarious! Some of the stuff seemed like a COMPLETE rip-off with often cells mirroring each other in terms of content.
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