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Old 2004-01-15, 17:46   Link #41
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you guys are generalizing again. it depends of which company made the boots. some are very good while other suxs. just like dubb anime, fansubbed anime and abotu everything else.
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Old 2004-01-16, 03:50   Link #42
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It still disgusts me people still willingly purchase bootlegs, which are not only a copyright violation in most countries (like fansubs are), but exist to provide a stream of money to parties not entitled to earn a damn cent from their robbing. It doesn't matter how good the quality is - there's simply no justification for it.
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Old 2004-01-16, 08:48   Link #43
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In france there's only three companies who sell anime dvd ( not bootlegs ! ). Two have recent animes and are pretty expensive ( around 25 a dvd ) and the third one sells "oldies" for around 30 the serie ( love hina for 30 for example )

but the subs still suck. I find fansubs much better than "prosubs" , especially the teams who use the -kun, -san, -chan ... it makes you feel you could nearly understand without the subs...
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Old 2004-01-16, 10:54   Link #44
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In france there's only three companies who sell anime dvd ( not bootlegs ! ). Two have recent animes and are pretty expensive ( around 25 a dvd ) and the third one sells "oldies" for around 30 the serie ( love hina for 30 for example )
Now "Love Hina" is an "oldie". Of course.., it was broadcasted 3 year and a few months ago. A boy 3 years old is called a baby, but an anime 3 years old is called an oldie.
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Old 2004-01-17, 08:59   Link #45
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sorry I didn't man to offend anyone! love hina is one the latest out in that collection, but they have Cat's eyes, City hunter but both in dubbed version, and Cobra if I'm right. which is much older than three years ( in france anyway )
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Old 2004-01-17, 17:54   Link #46
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Its amazing the difference between older and new anime. The computer animation tech is really changing the way anime looks - for the better I think. Look at FMP fumoffu vs ranma for instance. But it makes animes only from only a few years ago look out of date. I wonder how long this trend will continue? I guess there will be some animes that will use 3d rendered computer graphics, and many more that will keep a traditional 2d drawn feel to them. To me there's a certain warmth to 2d drawings that is lost with 3d rendered stuff like roly poly olie or whatever.

Anyway, I finished watching the evangelion discs. I think the mystery of what was going on in the story was deep enough without the additional mystery of not knowing what people were saying. This was purchased from the AnimeKrazy site, btw. Stay away!
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Old 2004-01-17, 18:43   Link #47
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Some stuff will never look old. If it looks good now, it'll still look good in 10 years time. Apart from problems like crapy masters, but we got around that the minute we hit digital...
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Old 2004-01-17, 18:50   Link #48
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>Its amazing the difference between older and new anime.

Hehe, agreed. I was trying to watch Touch the other day (from 1985 according to animenfo Oo) and the art was so old and bland I could barely stand it. One odd thing I found, though, was that I understood almost everything they were saying and my Japanese isn't that great. Although it could have just been the show in question (I doubt I could understand Legend of the Galactic Heroes, for example), maybe anime has gotten more sophisticated in other ways than art over the years as well.

>you guys are generalizing again. it depends of which company made the boots.

Well they didn't say all bootlegs had only Japanese audio with English/Chinese subs. They said things that had them were most likely boots. Similarly the fact that buying legit would avoid this problem is still true even if not all boots have it.

There are quite a few out there nowadays that rip the subs (and English audio option as well) from the R1 release particularly (although the video can still be compressed more and thus LQ). So re boot quality, personally, I think it has more to do with the source they stole from than the company.
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Old 2004-01-17, 22:28   Link #49
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Its amazing the difference between older and new anime. The computer animation tech is really changing the way anime looks - for the better I think. Look at FMP fumoffu vs ranma for instance. But it makes animes only from only a few years ago look out of date. I wonder how long this trend will continue? I guess there will be some animes that will use 3d rendered computer graphics, and many more that will keep a traditional 2d drawn feel to them. To me there's a certain warmth to 2d drawings that is lost with 3d rendered stuff like roly poly olie or whatever.
CGI is really starting to make a lot of animation quality suffer. Basically it makes creating anime a lot easier, and people start neglecting the actual animation and spending more time on special effects, etc. Some anime will look good, but if people are starting to replace good story, good animation with flashy graphics, then IMO anime would then start to get worse.
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Old 2004-01-17, 22:48   Link #50
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how do we know which company did the translation? where does it say on teh box? for Seed the whole series i have in japanese and those english or chinese subtitiles the english subtitles -i don't know if its the company who translate it btu on the first CD its Kira and then the second CD along with thrid and fourth are Gira then the other two are back with Kira.
Better translation is when the anime has been out for some time like Gundam Wing it had more correct translation since i have watched the english version.
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Old 2004-01-17, 22:59   Link #51
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CGI is really starting to make a lot of animation quality suffer. Basically it makes creating anime a lot easier, and people start neglecting the actual animation and spending more time on special effects, etc. Some anime will look good, but if people are starting to replace good story, good animation with flashy graphics, then IMO anime would then start to get worse.
Yeah you're right about that. Basically animation is now divided into 2D art and 3D BG/special effects stuff, and too much of one means the neglect of the other, and it's quite evident in certain anime (Gundam Seed!!!). But nevertheless, I haven't seen a case where the 3D totally dominates everything else just yet, so hopefully it won't happen...

As for the story being affected by too much being spent on animation... I think that won't happen just yet, since story is basically done by totally different people from the animation, and story planning will always come before the art in this industry... But I guess if animation costs keep rising though, they might have to change the story to adjust to the animation and in that case it might be possible...
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Old 2004-01-18, 01:47   Link #52
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coldzero:

Since you're watching bootlegs I don't think you can really complain about the poor quality of the subs.

What you're describing is something they're known for, IE crap for consistency and massive flaws.
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Old 2004-01-18, 14:52   Link #53
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Since you're watching bootlegs I don't think you can really complain about the poor quality of the subs.

What you're describing is something they're known for, IE crap for consistency and massive flaws.
I was never complainning-you could say that though for your discretion. Not being contemptuous here, I just wonder since it was my first time seeing that. Ya i know bootlegs are never to be trusted. As long as i could understand i'm happy wiht it. What am i to say when you live in japn and should know way more things then.
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Old 2004-01-19, 02:49   Link #54
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hunter x hunter dvd

I live in england and i want to get hunter x hunter on dvd but i have had no luck in finding it where can i get it?
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Old 2004-01-19, 03:16   Link #55
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Since it's not licensed outside of Japan you would either have to import unsubbed versions or get the Hong Kong bootleges that I can tell you from experiance are very crappy, and hard to understand since most is directly translated so that the sentance structure makes no sence and the spelling is horrible. Your better off sticking to the torrents on animesuki.
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Old 2004-01-20, 15:18   Link #56
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CGI is really starting to make a lot of animation quality suffer. Basically it makes creating anime a lot easier, and people start neglecting the actual animation and spending more time on special effects, etc. Some anime will look good, but if people are starting to replace good story, good animation with flashy graphics, then IMO anime would then start to get worse.
I don't know about you guys, but all purely CGI animations that I've seen haven't been all that great (ie. things like the transformers beast wars series or something like the final fantasy movie) Maybe I'm just watching the wrong things.
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Old 2004-01-21, 00:49   Link #57
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I don't know about you guys, but all purely CGI animations that I've seen haven't been all that great
Agreed. Platonic chain is an all CGI anime example, I think, and looked absolutely terrible IMHO. On the other hand I love DOA Volleyball and I'm split on the 3D ero games - some are really nice, usually the prerendered ones, and some are really terrible. Vandread had a lot of computer generated battles I thought looked terrible, but people seem to like that one. Xx I think the Western produced Reboot and that new Voltron show they did look terrible. Maybe it's something you can get used to.

Although the people replying ran off talking about the above it sounds to me like Ansible was originally talking about how computers have made traditional 2D animation easier (ie. digital coloring instead of physical painting, compositing, much cleaner frames/other computer processing, etc) and his example of FMP Fumoffu is inarguably one of the most beautifully done anime shows I've seen. I think it's a no-brainer this sort of computer use has improved animation quality so didn't bother objecting to the dissenting replies he got since I think we're talking about two different things. ;p

Edit: spelling, yuck

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Old 2004-01-21, 01:59   Link #58
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Yeah you're right about that. Basically animation is now divided into 2D art and 3D BG/special effects stuff, and too much of one means the neglect of the other, and it's quite evident in certain anime (Gundam Seed!!!). But nevertheless, I haven't seen a case where the 3D totally dominates everything else just yet, so hopefully it won't happen...

As for the story being affected by too much being spent on animation... I think that won't happen just yet, since story is basically done by totally different people from the animation, and story planning will always come before the art in this industry... But I guess if animation costs keep rising though, they might have to change the story to adjust to the animation and in that case it might be possible...
It's not that there will be less money for the story planning, it's that producers will think that a crap story can be totally successful if you throw enough CG at it.
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Old 2004-02-08, 06:49   Link #59
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[Berserk DVD] what's the diffrence??

I recentley saw the berserk anime series and totally loved it. I really want the whole series on DVD because the quality I have now isn't all that.

I came across many sites who sell the DVD's and noticed some big diffrences. Especially the prices.

http://www.animediscount.net/item.php?anime_id=00285

http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/bkdvd-6007.html

Can anyone tell me the major diffrence between the two sets?
The animediscount set contains only 3 DVD's and the Animenation has 6 if I'm not mistaken. That's pretty mutch all the info I could get.

I'd really appreciate any additional info on the two sets because the price diffrence is pretty big
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Old 2004-02-08, 06:55   Link #60
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The 3 disc set is a bootleg.

The 6 disc set is the licensed Media Blasters release. Animenation is a legitimate company, in fact they licensed and subbed/dubbed a series recently (Risky Safety.)

I suggest you read the "Where to buy..." sticky at the top of this forum. Don't buy bootlegs.

To be nice:

http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=MBI060077

Legit site, legit set. Same as on Anime Nation, for about $40 less.
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