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Old 2011-12-28, 08:13   Link #81
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Well I wouldn't be scared if that happened because they use normal Japanese in Samurai films as well.

Yes they sprinkle in things like でござる or もうす at the end but most of it is normal stuff.

There's nothing to worry about.
So true. Also, we sprinkle in samurai words for fun in real life, so even if you used them people will just think your funny, and very interesting for knowing samurai words.

I often feel that the Japanese are well educated in English but never get good at using it because they are too afraid of making small mistakes and hesitate to speak it. Whereas people from other countries just trial and error with confidence, and end up learning or at least communicating enough.

So the same goes to Japanese learners.
The Japanese are actualy very patient with people trying to speak Japanese, (even apologize for not being able to speak english insetad) so just use it, and they will probably fix it for you.
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Old 2011-12-29, 03:10   Link #82
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It's pretty good as a secondary/tertiary source.

I have decent comprehension with a formal qualification, and I still get bewildered when I watch the news.
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Old 2012-01-03, 06:38   Link #83
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Thanks to my passion of manga/anime, I started learned japanese at age of 12. Since Qwaser of Stigmata, I have learned plenty of new japanese words.
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Old 2012-01-06, 11:30   Link #84
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yeah listen for grammar crap while you watch anime like
nara/reba or like hazu or morau/ -te conjugated verbs are used like crazy tooooooooo.
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Old 2012-01-06, 11:40   Link #85
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It's probably a bit hopeless to actually learn Japanese from anime or Japanese films because most of the time what you're hearing won't be 100% grammatically correct (real life speech never is) which can make comprehension actively more difficult if you want to systematically learn a language. On the other hand it's really helpful for learning the phonics of the language, especially if you live somewhere where meeting Japanese people is difficult; when I started learning Japanese I never had a problem with all the recessive vowels because I'd heard words like ashita, desuarimasu etc being spoken by native speakers. So I think it helps with that aspect but I found it kinda useless for learning any other aspect of the language.
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Old 2014-05-04, 14:09   Link #86
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Yes and No.
You will need to know the basic of Japanese before you attempt to learn from anime.
Also, you cannot learn Japanese writing from anime.
However, anime is a good source of listening practice and you can learn vocabulary from it.
But you need to be aware of informal and formal Japanese structures.
Cool website: http://www.learnjaapnesethroughanime.com
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Old 2014-05-04, 14:20   Link #87
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Its a reasonable learnig source like if There's japanese subs available or e em if they arent available. There's a program sub2srs or you could make a huge mp3 out of the many mp3s it generates and do more efficient re-listening.

Just learni g japanese from scratch with anime is not recommendable.it seems rather inefficient to me. You're better off reading tae Kim's guide or something at that stage. There are anime with really simple dialogue but I'm wondering why anyone would want to watch that ie chis house when you could do something else to learn japanese
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Old 2014-05-04, 14:22   Link #88
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No.

Of course, exposure to any language is going to lead to you learning bits and pieces, phrases and words, but you're not going to be become a proficient speaker of Japanese from watching anime alone. That's just a pipe-dream.
Watched a documentary on the Tsunami victims of Japan. I had better translations for the English speaking translations they gave them. I didn't even really need the translations and understood what they were saying.

I know nothing of Japanese other than anime.
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Old 2014-05-04, 17:59   Link #89
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Umm why don't your post your experience after watching something raw that u havent seen before. English subs were present which invalidates your argument due to placebo effect( lol it's not exactly the correct term possibly) etc.
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Old 2014-05-04, 19:34   Link #90
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Umm why don't your post your experience after watching something raw that u havent seen before. English subs were present which invalidates your argument due to placebo effect( lol it's not exactly the correct term possibly) etc.
I do watch RAWs as well. If the sub ain't out, I don't wait. I just get into the show.
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Old 2014-05-04, 19:40   Link #91
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I use to watch Minami-ke raw because I wanted to see it as soon as possible. I also watched the later half of Space Pirate Captain Harlock and all of Endless Road SSX because that was all that was avalible. I could get at least the general idea of the plot and stuff as long as the scene wasn't face close ups with a speech. Long speeches with no direction is difficult if you really don't know the language.
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Old 2014-05-05, 13:19   Link #92
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I also try to pick up some Japanese words from anime when I watch them. Problem is, since it's anime, the words I get exposed to are always pretty much the same like onii-chan, imuto, baka, sensou, dai-ski-des etc... hardly the kind of words needed to have an ordinary conversation in Japanese!

And of course, when on the news I hear Japanese, like the Prime Minister of Japan making a statement, I hardly know any word of it at all...

That said, if we're going for pronunciation, is what we hear in anime an accurate representation? Are words pronounced in an exaggerated way for entertainment purposes or to fit a specific character trait?
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Old 2014-05-06, 17:05   Link #93
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Yes, and no ( as others have said )
I learnt Japanese for 3 years in college, and watched a lot of anime before that. What I can say for sure is that I had no obvious advantage over others, but I was able to pick up on the language really quickly. I made it a point to not try to 'show-off' the words and phrases I picked up from anime until I knew exactly how to use them, but saw plenty who did, and it usually ended up in an extremely exasperated professor attempting to explain why the usage was wrong. Apart from that, one has to understand that people don't necessarily talk the same way that is portrayed in the majority of anime, so trying to recreate the same expressions will often make you sound like an idiot. No, I can say quite confidently, unless you really REALLY try, you're not going to learn Japanese by watching anime. Even if you do somehow manage this incredible feat, trust me when I say that if you turn on some Japanese news you won't be able to make head or tails of whats going on. However, if you are planning on actually learning the language, by sitting down with some books/websites, audio, it will help you learn and consolidate your knowledge faster.

P.S: I encourage all anime watchers to try and learn a little Japanese on their own. I say this because , although its widely said that Japanese is an incredibly tough language to learn, it has a pretty strange learning curve IMHO. Speaking basic japanese is really easy, much easier than english I would say, and you will get a great sense of satisfaction when you watch new/old anime and think 'hey, I learnt that!'. Also, for a lot of us ( actually I'm just speaking about myself), watching anime is a pretty personal hobby, and learning the language helped me sort of re-ignite my passion for it.
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Old 2014-05-07, 07:12   Link #94
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P.S: I encourage all anime watchers to try and learn a little Japanese on their own. I say this because , although its widely said that Japanese is an incredibly tough language to learn, it has a pretty strange learning curve IMHO. Speaking basic japanese is really easy, much easier than english I would say, and you will get a great sense of satisfaction when you watch new/old anime and think 'hey, I learnt that!'. Also, for a lot of us ( actually I'm just speaking about myself), watching anime is a pretty personal hobby, and learning the language helped me sort of re-ignite my passion for it.
pfft....you westerners have even harder languages than Japanese XDD

German, I'm looking at you :P dat grammar....


On a serious note, books (by which I mean any Japanese book really)>>>>>websites. I've yet to find a website other than Japanese-Japanese dictionary sites that actually provide enough practical examples of usage for there to be much good.
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Old 2014-05-07, 09:04   Link #95
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pfft....you westerners have even harder languages than Japanese XDD

German, I'm looking at you :P dat grammar....


On a serious note, books (by which I mean any Japanese book really)>>>>>websites. I've yet to find a website other than Japanese-Japanese dictionary sites that actually provide enough practical examples of usage for there to be much good.
Well, firstly I'm not a westerner . Secondly, I agree with you about western languages, french made me despair for several years. Thirdly, the books could be attained.. er.. illegally.

In any case, as you'd expect I found that the textbooks don't really give you great context, and really limit your vocabulary to school related stuff which isn't particularly useful. This was the same with every language I've learned/attempted to learn. However, in the case of japanese, once I learned a particular grammatical point I would suddenly start seeing it everywhere in the anime/movies and like I said earlier, I thought that was really satisfying.
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Old 2014-05-07, 16:50   Link #96
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pfft....you westerners have even harder languages than Japanese XDD
That is quite relative. Japanese (and from what I hear, chinese) have relatively easy grammar (in comparison with most Latin derived languages), but reading either japanese or chinese has a steep learning curve (meanwhile it is easy to learn to read any european language, the alphabet is almost the same in most) and if you do not know the meaning is is quite fast to look the meaning in the dictionary (no need to count strokes) and my japenese teacher once told me that to learn [b]speak[b] good japanese you need to learn kanji.
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Old 2014-05-07, 17:38   Link #97
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My understanding of the problems learning Asian languages is that many are tonal. While English has some tonal properties to it for questions and exclamations...and scarcasm, it doesn't have general tonal changes to specific words that change the meaning of the same word. At least not that I recall.

Context sometimes changes a word in English, or the spelling of the same sounding world. The trouble with English is mostly the odd spelling rules thanks to its mix of Germanic and Romance language rules. We still blame the French for that.
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Old 2014-05-08, 06:37   Link #98
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Well, firstly I'm not a westerner . Secondly, I agree with you about western languages, french made me despair for several years. Thirdly, the books could be attained.. er.. illegally.

In any case, as you'd expect I found that the textbooks don't really give you great context, and really limit your vocabulary to school related stuff which isn't particularly useful. This was the same with every language I've learned/attempted to learn. However, in the case of japanese, once I learned a particular grammatical point I would suddenly start seeing it everywhere in the anime/movies and like I said earlier, I thought that was really satisfying.
That's why I said all kinds of books. You'll learn close to nothing just from textbooks alone. It's basically a usage thing. More you read/listen/speak, the better it gets
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Old 2014-05-09, 12:34   Link #99
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It's probably a bit hopeless to actually learn Japanese from anime or Japanese films because most of the time what you're hearing won't be 100% grammatically correct (real life speech never is) which can make comprehension actively more difficult if you want to systematically learn a language.
I disagree. Are you fluent in Japanese? Can you show me an example of an anime where they speak completely incorrect grammar?? Unless it's done on purpose, I've almost never came across something like this. As far as I know every anime I've seen they speak correct Japanese, doesn't matter if it's Naruto or whatever.

Can you show me a dialogue (in Japanese) where it's not correct? Or pick any random dialogue out of a manga, 99% of the time it's going to be grammatically correct, or else the book can't be published.
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Old 2014-05-09, 14:39   Link #100
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I disagree. Are you fluent in Japanese? Can you show me an example of an anime where they speak completely incorrect grammar?? Unless it's done on purpose, I've almost never came across something like this. As far as I know every anime I've seen they speak correct Japanese, doesn't matter if it's Naruto or whatever.

Can you show me a dialogue (in Japanese) where it's not correct? Or pick any random dialogue out of a manga, 99% of the time it's going to be grammatically correct, or else the book can't be published.
It won't be incorrect, but if you learn how to speak japanese from naruto, and specifically use the expressions in the context he uses them, i seriously doubt you're going to get that job in japan you always wanted, or be able to strike a lasting conversation up with that beautiful girl at the bar who winked at you. They might also give you funny looks at your neighborhood ramen shop.

In terms of actually being incorrect, think about it this way; you are trying to discern the distribution of the variable X, but you can only observe Y = F(X). It might work sometimes, and you might get something similar, but not necessarily 100% correct.
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