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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 2 Rating
Perfect 10 68 43.04%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 66 41.77%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 21 13.29%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 1.27%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 0.63%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2011-10-11, 14:50   Link #181
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And why all this complains about designs? Fate series were never accurate. King Arthur was always a guy yet here they decied to make him a girl just so they could put some romance in =/
Actually the reason he made Arthur into a girl was because Takashi Takeuchi asked him to, purely because he wanted to draw a girl in armor. I shit you not.

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... that was revealed in the first episode.
Actually, I don't think it was. We have the hint that he has the "eyes of Hassan" but that's it. It's a pretty damn strong hint but only if you know what to look for.
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Old 2011-10-11, 14:52   Link #182
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Tis ok. This time, sans Saber, there are no female heroes (or hardly any female characters). We should be in for epic macho fights.
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Old 2011-10-11, 14:58   Link #183
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Actually, I don't think it was. We have the hint that he has the "eyes of Hassan" but that's it. It's a pretty damn strong hint but still...
On the Nico Nico subs, he said nothing could "escape the eyes of Hassan, master of strategems". That sounds like a blatant identity admission to me rather than an ability or NP.
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Old 2011-10-11, 15:03   Link #184
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I'm just being really paranoid with the spoilers (even though nothing has actually been spoiled) here. My policy is, you can never be too paranoid with spoilers (unless you actually suffer from paranoia).
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Old 2011-10-11, 15:05   Link #185
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Actually the reason he made Arthur into a girl was because Takashi Takeuchi asked him to, purely because he wanted to draw a girl in armor. I shit you not.



Actually, I don't think it was. We have the hint that he has the "eyes of Hassan" but that's it. It's a pretty damn strong hint but only if you know what to look for.
"nothing can escape the Eyes of Hassan"
Being a Assassin
2 very strong clues
Throw in the bit in the sequence

Gen has all but shout this guys name out there. i am really tempted to say something insulting about people who can't put these clues together fighter who guy is, especially when all you have to do is google it.
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Old 2011-10-11, 15:22   Link #186
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Actually the reason he made Arthur into a girl was because Takashi Takeuchi asked him to, purely because he wanted to draw a girl in armor. I shit you not.
Uh, I'm fairly sure the official story is that the initial plan was for the protagonist of F/SN to be a girl and Saber an actual male Arthur, but since they were trying to sell, you know, a porn game, they switched their roles around and had to come up with Arturia was a result.
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Old 2011-10-11, 15:26   Link #187
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Uh, I'm fairly sure the official story is that the initial plan was for the protagonist of F/SN to be a girl and Saber an actual male Arthur, but since they were trying to sell, you know, a porn game, they switched their roles around and had to come up with Arturia was a result.
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- How did you come to make the decision of creating Fate?

Nasu: Fate was originally a story I wrote when I was in college. In it the gender of Saber and Shirou were opposite to now, but the essential theme had not been changed, it's the story about legendary heroes and "a boy meets a girl."

Takeuchi: I created it because I just liked it, and I wanted to make something like Tsukihime, but more sophisticated. I changed the character's gender, in order to have them fit in with the gamers today.

Nasu: Well, I remember one of the reason it was changed was because he made the request to let him draw a girl with armor. Finally it came true. XD
http://comipress.com/article/2006/06/30/386

We're both right then.
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Old 2011-10-11, 15:35   Link #188
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Spoiler for Assasin's real name?:

Is that it?

If that's the case then this series Assasin is nothing like what I just read about him =/
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Old 2011-10-11, 15:37   Link #189
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Spoiler for Assasin's real name?:

Is that it?

If that's the case then this series Assasin is nothing like what I just read about him =/
neither is Arthur, Gil or Alex.

It is call poetic license.
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Old 2011-10-11, 16:00   Link #190
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Spoiler for Assasin's real name?:

Is that it?

If that's the case then this series Assasin is nothing like what I just read about him =/
Gotta read Heaven's Feel if you want an answer about why Assassin is that way.
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Old 2011-10-11, 19:27   Link #191
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Loving the show so far. I am one of the unlucky sods that hasn't read the LN, but I've played the F/SN VN and watched the anime adaption (which lacked, but I still enjoyed for the atmosphere).

I really like the way they're addressing a lot of questions that went unexplained by the F/SN anime, such as what happened to Matou Sakura, and actually giving a bit of an explanation as to why King Arthur is a woman, as opposed to Shirou's immediate hormone-driven acceptance of the fact. Score for him, I guess.

I would recommend everybody investigate FS/N -before- F/Z, if only the anime if you lack the patience for a VN, for two reasons.

1. F/Z tips its hat to F/SN viewers with surprisingly long appearances of what would otherwise seem like otherwise unimportant characters like loli Rin.

2. F/Z seems to have a lot of answers, while F/SN has the questions. Better to ask the questions before you get the answers I say.

Overall, I'm quite surprised how much I'm enjoying F/Z. I thought it would hold little interest due to already knowing who won the 4th Holy Grail war, but it's finding plenty of alternative ways to hold my attention, such as a brilliant introduction of Bluebeard, and some great character establishment scenes such as the discussion between Saber and the Einzbern.

Question though, they made a big issue in F/SN about the fact that Shirou had zero magical capabilities, and yet it was so rare that he managed to summon a servant, however...

In F/Z I see multiple combatants with low or zero magical capabilities, isn't that strange?
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Old 2011-10-11, 19:49   Link #192
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Yeah, FZ is one of those prequels that you appreciate more if you already seen the main series.

I think the thing with Shirou was that not only does he have little magical talent and somehow manages to do so well because of his Servant (even having it in the first place, but it was a bit rigged). With Ryuunosuke, he has no magical powers that we know of other than doing research from that old book, but it doesn't seem like he cares more about killing people in fun new ways than magic. Kariya was forced "experience" with the nasty worms. Waver has some training since he's at the Clock Tower, so it's not as if he's completely in the dark, more like a kid with book knowledge but no practical knowledge (like Rin). And everyone else is qualified for having good magic abilities. So I think it's more that he did so well that floored everybody, even people with more training. I don't think any of the other Masters expects them to do very well. Same with Shirou. But with Shirou...never underestimate the power of Main Character Syndrome. Of course he's not gonna suck ass! (at least not all the time) he's the main character!
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Old 2011-10-11, 20:07   Link #193
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Actually the reason he made Arthur into a girl was because Takashi Takeuchi asked him to, purely because he wanted to draw a girl in armor. I shit you not.
Thanks, Takeuchi, because otherwise Saber would not just be boring, but also ugly to look at

On the other hand, if Nasu had swapped the genders of Shirou/Saber, it would have made a more interesting Fate route, a yuri-licious UBW, and the best part of the game impossible. Not to mention that with male Saber all of zero's servants would be dicks

Anyway, loved ep.2, and already missing that 1-hr format of ep.1, not too mention lamenting for the coming winter break
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Old 2011-10-11, 20:09   Link #194
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In F/Z I see multiple combatants with low or zero magical capabilities, isn't that strange?
who are you talking about?
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Old 2011-10-11, 20:15   Link #195
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In F/Z I see multiple combatants with low or zero magical capabilities, isn't that strange?
U mean the servant?

Don't worry the master seems very knowledgeable about this as the exchange. And you should remember this time most of them is very reliable in combat.
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Overall, I'm quite surprised how much I'm enjoying F/Z. I thought it would hold little interest due to already knowing who won the 4th Holy Grail war, but it's finding plenty of alternative ways to hold my attention, such as a brilliant introduction of Bluebeard, and some great character establishment scenes such as the discussion between Saber and the Einzbern.
Definitely you can enjoy this show a little better if you know already a little bit about the fateverse in general but its not really a must... I think the people that decide to watch the anime first and then learn about what comes later will enjoy it the same.

About your question we cant answer it here but Ill answer it for you in the

Fate/Zero - Fate/Stay Night: connecting the dots thread.
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Old 2011-10-11, 21:09   Link #197
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who are you talking about?
chibipicpic pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Ryuunosuke, Waver and Kariya all seem like unlikely candidates, but my question has been mostly answered by alumnox and chibipicpic, so ultimately I think it just comes down to Rin trying to give masters who successfully summon servant more credit they they deserve for her own ego in F/SN, haha.
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chibipicpic pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Ryuunosuke, Waver and Kariya all seem like unlikely candidates, but my question has been mostly answered by alumnox and chibipicpic, so ultimately I think it just comes down to Rin trying to give masters who successfully summon servant more credit they they deserve for her own ego in F/SN, haha.
Waver is attending wizard school. He is not as good as he think he is but he is competent.
Kariya is member of the Matou which is one of the 3 founding mage family involve in the grail war. He didn't have enough magic circuits but zouken increase that with the worms which will kill him in a month.
Ryuunosuke is the only one without ties to magic before the grail war.
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Old 2011-10-11, 21:22   Link #199
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Actually the reason he made Arthur into a girl was because Takashi Takeuchi asked him to, purely because he wanted to draw a girl in armor. I shit you not.
We owe so much to Takeuchi. He was a really big driving force with Type-Moon. He did more than just draw, and thank god for that!
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Old 2011-10-11, 22:31   Link #200
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Waver is attending wizard school. He is not as good as he think he is but he is competent.
Kariya is member of the Matou which is one of the 3 founding mage family involve in the grail war. He didn't have enough magic circuits but zouken increase that with the worms which will kill him in a month.
Ryuunosuke is the only one without ties to magic before the grail war.

Thinking about it...Kariya and Shirou are kinda similar in that they both had "zero talent" and no training, but both have potential. It's my understanding that Shirou had the circuits but needed to tap into more of them and Kariya just didn't have a lot of circuits to begin with so the worms filled that gap? I'm sure if Kariya hadn't left the family and trained as a magus, he would have been super awesome. But then the whole storyline for FSN would be screwed up, especially Heaven's Feel. So no super awesome Kariya for us. I still love him though.
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