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Old 2012-11-06, 22:14   Link #281
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can you tell me each position for fifth grade?

is it :
Center : Kagetsugu
SF : Mimi
SG : Masami
PG & PF : Takenaka twin.

And for Masami, we know that she can shot the farthest in all member. But how much her accuracy is?
And which are the strongest, Tomoka or Mimi? who is The Ace?
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Old 2012-11-07, 03:50   Link #282
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can you tell me each position for fifth grade?

is it :
Center : Kagetsugu
SF : Mimi
SG : Masami
PG & PF : Takenaka twin.
Not specified in the novel, but I think your line up accurately reflects their roles and play style in the game.

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And for Masami, we know that she can shot the farthest in all member. But how much her accuracy is?
Her accuracy is good enough that Saki can't leave her open.

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And which are the strongest, Tomoka or Mimi? who is The Ace?
Mimi had conceded that Tomoka is better than she is - I guess it's mainly because she considers her drive to be her strongest weapon and not her middle range shooting thus when she couldn't drive past Tomoka for the second time and had to resort to the turn around jumper (which she landed anyway) she consider herself to have lost the match up, but really they are so close that you could consider them to be the twin aces of the team.
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Old 2012-11-07, 07:04   Link #283
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Thanks for the answer!!!

For confirmation!
Tomoka chosen as SG because of her high accuracy right?
Because by Distance : Tomoka < Saki < Minami.
And by Accuracy : Minami < Saki < Tomoka
Is there any 3 point at mini basketball?
I though that there are just 2 point.

BTW, Is Airi ever dunk shot?
Airi get private lesson by her brother and Aoi.
So, is it just Tomoka that get private lesson from Subaru?

And so far, how much the affection of the member to Subaru?

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Old 2012-11-07, 11:30   Link #284
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Thanks for the answer!!!

For confirmation!
Tomoka chosen as SG because of her high accuracy right?
Tomoka is SG is mostly because she has the overall best scoring ability in the team. I think Maho is supposed to have the second highest scoring percentage with Airi following.

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Because by Distance : Tomoka < Saki < Minami.
Tomoka at this moment can shoot further than Saki, since in the very first game against the boys Tomoka had shown that she can score easily at almost the 3 point line, whereas Saki began her training inside the 3 point line. Masami on the other hand wanted to better Saki so she began her training from outside the 3 point line.

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And by Accuracy : Minami < Saki < Tomoka
I'm not sure how you can measure this as each player specialises differently. Masami for instance is very accurate for her distance, the only problem is she's too specialised that she can't shoot anything else (no inside game for example). Saki plays PG so she has to specialise in a different area, Tomoka again specialises in her own area.

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Is there any 3 point at mini basketball?
I though that there are just 2 point.
Yes, no 3 pointers only 2 points. But since Masami practiced using the 3 point line she just got good at that distance.

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BTW, Is Airi ever dunk shot?
Airi get private lesson by her brother and Aoi.
No dunk for Airi.
Airi's style is closer to Aoi rather than Banri so it's a little less physical as Aoi was small for a centre so she concentrated on perfecting her fakes and fade away shots whereas Banri is a giant so he prefers to use his physical advantage to the full. However as Airi's personality is inherently timid/shy she gravitated more towards Aoi's play style than Banri's.

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So, is it just Tomoka that get private lesson from Subaru?
Yep, they train together every morning.

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And so far, how much the affection of the member to Subaru?
As Saki observed it seems that while everyone likes Subaru only Tomoka seems to really love him in a very romantic boy/girl kind of way. Girls like Maho and Hinata doesn't display that kind of love.

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I really like Masami's design so I'm putting it here
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Old 2012-11-20, 05:09   Link #285
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Hmm... I should say the recent summary this is good enough material for Season 2. Can't wait for a Keishin vs Suzuridani rematch!

Say, the current line-up sounds more like 2012 OKC Thunder. What do you think?

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Old 2012-11-20, 08:57   Link #286
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I really like Masami's design so I'm putting it here
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Who is this? Saki?

I also love the art use on this novel.
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Old 2012-11-20, 09:12   Link #287
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Who is this? Saki?
No that's Saki's rival Fujii Masami of the 5th graders. Yes I know it's confusing because the big profile describes Saki but the box of text at the bottom talks about Masami's relationship with Saki. It's exactly the same for the other 5th graders full body artwork which maps them to their respective 6th grader rival profile ie. Tomoka's profile has Mimi, Airi's has Kagetsu, Maho/Hinata has the Takenaka twins plus a box of text describing their relationship. I got thrown off too at first so it's pretty poor design of the novel's part, or it's possible that it's a misprint where they intended to have profiles for the 5th graders and was supposed to use an old template of the 6th grader as foundation but someone screwed up and forgot to edit the text.
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Old 2012-11-20, 12:40   Link #288
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So you've already got Mimi's surname by now? I'm under the impression that it's rather hard to transliterate it into English since it's a French surname transliterated into Japanese.
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Old 2012-11-20, 21:01   Link #289
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Spoiler for So the lineup becomes something like this now?:
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Old 2012-11-21, 00:28   Link #290
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So you've already got Mimi's surname by now?
No, it's still written in katakana, so no idea how it translates. Not even sure if the surname is even based on a real name or just made up crap.

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Old 2012-11-21, 04:55   Link #291
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It makes perfect sense why Subaru would train Kagetsu as a C. She can play as the C off the bench so Airi can rest.

If I might ask, why not Masami for crunch time? Is she not that confident with her long range shot yet?

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Old 2012-11-21, 05:13   Link #292
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If I might ask, why not Masami for crunch time? Is she not that confident with her long range shot yet?
Two points:
1) There's no 3 pointers in mini-basketball, so no point advantage
2) She's not a rounded player, she has no other skills outside of long range shooting and her defence is not particularly strong either (unlike both Hinata and Maho whom are good stealers/interceptors), during offence if the opponent's defence is man on man she cannot do anything to break away or create play. Tomoka can shoot almost as far as she can, has better shooting form than she does so Tomoka can be shooting from the outside too. I put Mimi in because she is almost just as good as Tomoka as a forward so she would draw defence just as well as Tomoka thus you what both of them on the court at the same time IMO when it comes to crunch time.
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Old 2012-11-21, 05:27   Link #293
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Pretty much that. Given that Mimi and Tomoka are hands down the Twin Aces of Keishin, any coach, much less Subaru, would WANT to trick the defense into handing the ball to either of them.

That said:

1. Is it possible for Subaru to use Phil Jackson's famous Triangle Offense, now that Keishin has a much deeper line-up than before?
2. So Mimi is the better shooter and Tomoka is the better slasher?
3. Who's the fastest player in the story? Is it Chibi-Ribbon (even Tomoka has problems with her speed) or her rival who ends up being one for the Takenaka Twins?
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Old 2012-11-21, 06:20   Link #294
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1. Possible, I guess we will just have to wait and see. Part of the revelation in volume 11 for Subaru is that he hadn't been training the girls up to do more variation in offensive plays, so we might get some more of that in the future. The other part is whether Subaru would try or how to integrate the two teams together, so the possibilities had just opened up now and waiting to be developed in the future volumes.

2. I would say they are both slashers, but Tomoka has an edge over Mimi due to her much stronger team play awareness whereas Mimi had only just learnt that recently.

3. Probably the Chibi-Ribbon rival - even Natsuhi don't have confidence that he could win against her and we haven't seen him like that even against Tomoka.
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Old 2012-11-21, 23:08   Link #295
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Hmm... Since it's more likely that Kage would play the C off the bench, that should give Maho plenty of room to improve herself as a PF. But given she had played PF all throughout the anime...

I haven't seen her doing post moves, but I know some PF's who is not known for post moves but rather for speed or long-range shooting. Once such long range shooting PF is Dirk Nowitzki (7-foot-flat, has a 13-foot jump, so opposing players can really only pray he misses the shot).

Maho would be more likely to be known more for her speed like most modern-day PF's than post presence like most old PF's.

EDIT: And yeah, Subaru really is beyond help. Next time he screws up, we really should call Chris Hansen in.
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Old 2012-11-23, 01:10   Link #296
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Say, does anyone have scans or pics of the 5th graders' player profiles, similar to Masami's as houko posted earlier? I thought I could have asked for the 6th graders' player profiles, as well, but the anime has already covered that, so I might as well rewatch it and capture those via screenshots.

Since the Takenaka twins and Masami don't have default positions yet, is it okay to designate them as SF and SG, respectively? This is for my Version 2 of Keishin's roster. I have already posted Version 1 somewhere around this topic.

EDIT: Seriously, the RKB Wiki needs some updating. But, I don't know how to start...

DOUBLE EDIT: From re-watching the anime, I'm under the impression that Chibi-Ribbon isn't playing PG, as there's someone else in that spot (Suzuridani #7, the green-haired one), it must be that she plays an SG (best scorer on the team and the fastest, as well, even Mokkan had a hard time keeping up with her), but somehow she gets matched up with Maho (PF) quite often in their first match. But well, switching happens all the time, so it simply doesn't mean Chibi-Ribbon plays PF, but rather SG/SF. So, any ideas?

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Old 2012-11-23, 11:20   Link #297
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As for why Maho seems to match up with Chibi-Ribbon I think it has something to do with the fact that after Tomoka Maho is the only one who has the speed to match Chibi-Ribbon. Also Maho at that game looks to Chibi-Ribbon as a rival so it's natural Maho gets up in Chibi-Ribbon's face a lot.
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Old 2012-11-23, 15:33   Link #298
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Whee... Okay, thank you VERY much. I can't really say anything else. My mind was blown.

EDIT: Wait. The profiles state the 6th graders, but the pics show the 5th graders. Oh well, it doesn't matter.

DOUBLE EDIT: I actually feel bad for Masami. No extra point for long range shots means it's much better to try getting fouled on a counted basket for a three-point play than making jump shots from very long range. But at least long range shooting is very useful against teams employing zone defense.

Some other things I'm worried about Keishin:

1. The 4-1 Offense can be beaten by a man-to-man defense, but of course it requires the defenders to outmatch everyone from the attacking team. If even just one defender gets outplayed by her match up, the defending team is screwed.
2. It's not that effective against teams that have more bigger players. Given this is grade school basketball, I don't think the author would create a lot of teams like that. Just one would be needed, though, in keeping with sports stories' underdog theme.
3. Stamina problems. While it's not a problem if your team just plays basketball for fun, that could be in serious competition. Fortunately, a 10-man team would curb that problem to be manageable.

Of course, knowing Subaru and Saki, they can adjust the game plan depending on the situation.

TRIPLE EDIT: Just got Vol.11. Though I can't read Japanese, I'm under the impression that the fifth graders are actually pretty strong, being able to lead the sixth graders by six points. This is the team that gave a pretty powerful team like Suzuridani a run for their money.

And as you mentioned above, houko, Aoi did a pretty good job of reading Subaru/Saki's tactics and utilizing the fifth graders' strengths to the fullest (how about an awesome pick-and-roll pair in Kagetsu and Mimi?)

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Old 2012-11-24, 04:50   Link #299
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Keishin don't have much stamina problems. Subaru had trained the 6th graders pretty hard for along time and upped the load to build their stamina for the competition and same with Aoi due to her plan to use the run&gun strategy against the 6th graders, so all of them have good stamina. Also the 5th graders except Masami were all pretty athletic to begin with (Mimi was already a competition level basketball player, Takenaka twins practices with Natsuhi, Kagetsu was a marathon runner), and even for the 6th graders only Hinata was the weak one. On top of that now they have a full team so they can change players so things will only get better.

As for the 5th graders yes they are pretty good and Subaru acknowledges that they have as much potential as the 6th graders, which was why he was pretty eager to get them on board to train together as well.
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1. Who's that girl playing with Tomoka in that picture?

2. Miyu's rival peaked my interest. How do you think would she fare against Tomoka or Mimi?

3. I could only hope they include the 5th graders in the upcoming Season 2 of the anime. It's the best way to balance things out IMO.
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