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Old 2012-06-09, 14:11   Link #1821
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I am asking for the reason it, I know it is effective for some reason. I am just asking what makes the word Onii-Chan so effective and where did it first pop out of?
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Old 2012-06-09, 22:16   Link #1822
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I am asking for the reason it, I know it is effective for some reason. I am just asking what makes the word Onii-Chan so effective and where did it first pop out of?
If I had to guess, there would be three reasons
  1. "Onii-chan" gives off a feeling of dependence on the person being called that, and everyone likes being relied on
  2. Since it's a little sister character being invoked, you have the whole "forbidden love" fetish
  3. Listen to it. The word is freaking cute.

That's just my guess though. I'm not too familiar with "otaku culture".
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Old 2012-06-10, 05:22   Link #1823
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XFire @ From what I know it's more or less the 3 point you just told.
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Old 2012-06-10, 15:38   Link #1824
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj6Bt...12D463500E7FBF

epic onii-chan moment

but i kinda forgot how we ended up talking about this..
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Old 2012-06-13, 01:15   Link #1825
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New updates. Kamito spoils Est sweet (she's moe so you can't call it spoiled rotten)

Other girls jealous, Claire is tsundere.... about her friendship with Rinslet (lol)

I love this series



Jio is an ass
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Old 2012-06-13, 09:14   Link #1826
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New updates. Kamito spoils Est sweet (she's moe so you can't call it spoiled rotten)

Other girls jealous, Claire is tsundere.... about her friendship with Rinslet (lol)

I love this series

Jio is an ass
why care so much for jio?? he is just a stepping stone for Kamito to dominate his harem anyway.
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Old 2012-06-13, 09:40   Link #1827
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@dragon1412 because he basically brought up an NTR possibility. Regardless that Restia could probably take him apart if he tried, even the mention of that kind of scenario sets me off. Read the old DxD thread, you'll see what I mean.
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Old 2012-06-18, 07:52   Link #1828
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Is it just me or Claire is so annoying, arrogant, cowardice and detestable?

I just finished Vol 1 btw.

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Old 2012-06-18, 08:50   Link #1829
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Is it just me or Claire is so annoying, arrogant, cowardice and detestable?

I just finished Vol 1 btw.
Claire is a kuso bakayarou.
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Old 2012-06-18, 09:38   Link #1830
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Is it just me or Claire is so annoying, arrogant, cowardice and detestable?

I just finished Vol 1 btw.
Hey hey... Me too !
She just make bad reputation for my true tsundere (such as Hitagi, Biribiri, Kurisu-tina...).
Anyways, Claire is second, ah... um first heroine appear in STnBD. Who know she will be what !
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Old 2012-06-18, 09:48   Link #1831
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Claire is a kuso bakayarou.
I have to check Google for it.
So do you like her or do you hate her?
Because someone may like this type of character(and i don't know why...).
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Old 2012-06-18, 09:59   Link #1832
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I have to check Google for it.
So do you like her or do you hate her?
Because someone may like this type of character(and i don't know why...).
I think he called her a "piece of shit". It's what Sera calls Ayumu (KoreWa), right?

And as for why her character type is liked, I have a theory about that. "Yamato Nadeshiko" the ideal Japanese woman, was supposed to be a quiet, submissive, yet strong-willed woman. So I think the whole "loud, independent, and hides her true feelings" type (tsundere) caught on because of the contrast.

And it was a good excuse for authors to do mean things to their MC's (lol)
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Old 2012-06-18, 10:01   Link #1833
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I think he called her a "piece of shit". It's what Sera calls Ayumu (KoreWa), right?

And as for why her character type is liked, I have a theory about that. "Yamato Nadeshiko" the ideal Japanese woman, was supposed to be a quiet, submissive, yet strong-willed woman. So I think the whole "loud, independent, and hides her true feelings" type (tsundere) caught on because of the contrast.

And it was a good excuse for authors to do mean things to their MC's (lol)
In Japanese, it's something to the lines of 'sh@tty idiotic bastard'. It's one of the words in Japanese that borders to profanity but not actually included. It's also some of the words that you reserve for people you dislike strongly.
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Old 2012-06-18, 10:57   Link #1834
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I think he called her a "piece of shit". It's what Sera calls Ayumu (KoreWa), right?

And as for why her character type is liked, I have a theory about that. "Yamato Nadeshiko" the ideal Japanese woman, was supposed to be a quiet, submissive, yet strong-willed woman. So I think the whole "loud, independent, and hides her true feelings" type (tsundere) caught on because of the contrast.

And it was a good excuse for authors to do mean things to their MC's (lol)
I don't think they are "independent". In fact, they are "very dependent" on MCs in every works i see. Be it "zero no tsukaima" or "Hidan no Aria" or "Toradora" ...
"Loud" is inadequate as they never speak their true thought. "Violence" and "rude/impolite" are more suitable.
"Bad at communicating" is better than "hides her true feelings". Because they don't intentionally hide their feeling for any purpose, they just can't express their feeling due to their own incompetent and pride.

"Yamato Nadeshiko" is submissive (subtle/quite as well are part of their art to please their husband), supportive("behind every success man, there is a woman"), strong-willed/independent(when needed like raising children alone when her husband dies) woman.

If there is a type of character that is opposite "Yamato Nadeshiko", that is "assertive" character with: aggressive/out-going(>< submissive), wild/open (do whatever she like>< supportive) and strong-willed(the same).

BUT "Tsudere" is not the main theme for Claire. (Or i thought so...)
It's more of the bonus characteristic IMO. And it is not the main reason why i hate her.
She is a freaking "damsel in distress".

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Old 2012-06-18, 13:38   Link #1835
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Man, Fiana and Est are the best.
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Old 2012-06-18, 13:45   Link #1836
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I don't think they are "independent". In fact, they are "very dependent" on MCs in every works i see. Be it "zero no tsukaima" or "Hidan no Aria" or "Toradora" ...
"Loud" is inadequate as they never speak their true thought. "Violence" and "rude/impolite" are more suitable.
"Bad at communicating" is better than "hides her true feelings". Because they don't intentionally hide their feeling for any purpose, they just can't express their feeling due to their own incompetent and pride.

"Yamato Nadeshiko" is submissive (subtle/quite as well are part of their art to please their husband), supportive("behind every success man, there is a woman"), strong-willed/independent(when needed like raising children alone when her husband dies) woman.

If there is a type of character that is opposite "Yamato Nadeshiko", that is "assertive" character with: aggressive/out-going(>< submissive), wild/open (do whatever she like>< supportive) and strong-willed(the same).

BUT "Tsudere" is not the main theme for Claire. (Or i thought so...)
It's more of the bonus characteristic IMO. And it is not the main reason why i hate her.
She is a freaking "damsel in distress".
Eh, all the girls except Restia and the Principal fit the "Damsel in Distress" thing. Which makes sense, because they are essentially "normal" characters mixed up with a "monster" character like Kamito.

P.S. "monster" means strength beyond what a human could achieve, not his personality.
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Old 2012-06-18, 16:46   Link #1837
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I have to check Google for it.
So do you like her or do you hate her?
Because someone may like this type of character(and i don't know why...).
Hey, I like Claire
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Old 2012-06-18, 20:35   Link #1838
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Eh, all the girls except Restia and the Principal fit the "Damsel in Distress" thing. Which makes sense, because they are essentially "normal" characters mixed up with a "monster" character like Kamito.

P.S. "monster" means strength beyond what a human could achieve, not his personality.
I refer to this definition "http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DamselScrappy"

"Sometimes one character (usually a Love Interest or a relative of another character) seems to have no discernible purpose besides serving as the Designated Victim. If the character is popular with the audience, this can be effective. Other times, well....let's just say that the audience starts wishing that the Big Damn Heroes would get stuck in traffic, just so they won't have to put up with her anymore. "
(For Claire, it would be the latter case.)


"Most of the time, this character's plight is due entirely to her own stupidity. She doesn't just pick up the Distress Ball, she runs it into her own endzone and gets tackled for a safety. And she keeps on doing it, again and again and again. This may be due to being The Ditz, or a severe case of crippling genre blindness."


This definition is exclusive for Claire and Claire only. No other girls has it.
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Old 2012-06-18, 20:38   Link #1839
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Hey, I like Claire
See?
I knew it. I knew it.
No matter how absurd and unrealistic a character is, someone still like her.

Your reference. What can i say?
(Still don't know why some people may like her.)
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Old 2012-06-18, 20:38   Link #1840
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Hey, I like Claire
I like her too, man. She has a charming personality when she starts reading ero-books.

Though actually, truth is that it's rather that I don't HATE any of the girls.
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