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Old 2012-06-08, 20:33   Link #601
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I've notices the use of I believe "Sen-cho" of late rather that what they use to use "Can-cho" (or at least that is how it sounds in my ear) for the Captain of a ship.
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Old 2012-06-09, 05:34   Link #602
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They still use Kan-sho. At least Kodai and Yuki do.
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Old 2012-06-09, 23:23   Link #603
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Uchikata hajime(撃ち方始め)in the most precise translation is Gunnery squad commence.
Sento Junbi(戦闘準備)again in the most precise would be prepare for battle.
In Naval terms these would be "Commence Firing" or "Open Fire" and "Action Stations" or "Battle Stations".

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They still use Kan-sho. At least Kodai and Yuki do.
That would be "Kancho", literally "Ship Chief".
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Old 2012-06-10, 07:03   Link #604
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In Naval terms these would be "Commence Firing" or "Open Fire" and "Action Stations" or "Battle Stations".
Or in layman's terms "Shoot the mother fuckers!"
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Old 2012-06-10, 18:24   Link #605
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The first Game test of the Battle at Pluto (2199) using as much information as I can pick out on the Earth and Gamilus ships went well.

After five turns of combat, six Earth ships escaped. including both the Kirishima and Yukikaze. Four Cruisers and a pair of destroyers ran distraction runs at the end. Two cruisers managed to speed away past the Gamilus ships to rejoin the Flagship and her three destroyer escorts. Kirishima was damaged by about 50% Both cruisers were nearly destroyed, but still able to escape. The three destroyers were untouched.

However, they only managed to destroy four Gamilus destroyers. Two of those were destroyed by debris from an exploding Earth Cruiser. The Earth ships had a rough time beating the Gamilus shielding. They managed to damage two Heavy Cruisers, five destroyers, and do 21% damage to the Gamilus flagship (some of Kirishima's missiles manage to hit the target).

I intend to remake some of the ships and adjust the shields again to make the game more fun and slightly less detailed. Losing 15 ships for 4 can look a little off. Espicially if the four are really small.
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Old 2012-06-10, 20:14   Link #606
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Welcome to the Cosmo Navy fighting the Gamilus for the last 8 years!
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Old 2012-06-10, 20:34   Link #607
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One change that should help is that we noticed tha physical attacks seem to go right past the shields. So missile attacks should get through.

Also weapons of a certain size seem to bypass the Gamilus shields entirely. Though the only weapons that will qualify might be the Gamilus Flagship's main guns, and the Earth Cruisers and Battleship's Bow Cannons (which were suppose to be prototypes for the later Yamato's shock cannons). We will probably find out more about that once we see Yamato in action inthe next episodes.
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Old 2012-06-10, 21:54   Link #608
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Is that a fact?


given how ineffective the earth ship beam weapons were, you'd think that the Earth would just convert all of their ships to missile boats.
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Old 2012-06-10, 22:33   Link #609
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Missiles can be shot down (and usually are). Most Gamilus ships have something that is likely an close in missile defense system behind the bridge superstructure.

All we have to work with is what Yukikaze and Yamato manage to do with physical weapons against Gamilus ships. Yukikaze's torpedoes took out a destroyer with no seeming effect from that ship's shields, and Yamato's Fusion Shells took out a Carrier with a single turret firing. Also the preview has what looks like a gamilus destroyer being hit by several shells from Yamato's secondary turrets (the "light shock cannons") with not visable shield effects.

But our knowledge of this system is new. All I have to work with is the Battle at Pluto, some previews, Yamato engaging a Carrier, and Yamato's survival of the Giant Missile via use of her own Shielding.

That and some backstory that the new bow cannons are what helped win the Second Battle at Mars. I imagine they had more battleships then. Too bad we didn't see them use the weapon in the Battle at Pluto...though it is hard to fire a bow gun when you are in a broadside action.

As for the idea that Gamilus Flagship's weapon might be able to beat their own shields...I'm under the impression that the slashing beam we see in that Battle is from their Flagship as they seemed to show the single pulse like blasts of the destroyers and the usually triple shots of the other two ship types turrets together. But then there was a quick slashing weapon we'd see from time to time that was quite devistating (one took out one of the Cruisers with a single slash and then later took out a Gamilus Heavy Cruiser with a single slash ("friendly fire incident") when attempting to hit the Yukikaze. We never saw what fired that beam, but the only ship unaccounted for was the Flagship's weapons.

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Old 2012-06-11, 07:49   Link #610
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Missiles can be shot down (and usually are). Most Gamilus ships have something that is likely an close in missile defense system behind the bridge superstructure.
Fair enough, but unshielded ships armed with beam weapons (with a lower effective range than Gamilus beam weapons) can also be shot down.
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Old 2012-06-11, 14:08   Link #611
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True. But when you really don't have anything else...you use what you have.

Plus the notes say the ship's bow guns can defeat the Gamilus. But considering the lack of power (no wave motion engines), these weapons on the Earth ships would act more or less like Wave Motion Guns...in terms of how often they can be used in a fight. a right powerful weapon that can damage or destroy single Gamilus ships at range...but you would only get one shot per ship. And the enemy would have to be directly in front of you whle you fired a narrow beam at them. (We don't see them use it at Pluto, but you can seen the weapon mounted on the bows of all the cruisers and the flagship.) Now it might be like that weapon on the Gamilus Carrier...but I tend to think of it more like one of Yamato's shock cannons.

That would show an amount of techology difference. Yamato has multiple shock cannons in turrets that it can fire about as much as they want. A ship like Kirishima has one of those shock cannons in the bow that it can probably only fire every once in a while during a battle.


It is worth noting that there is a chance the Earth Fleets had other types of ships depending on the nationality. The First Fleet seemed to be entirely a Japanese based force. But there are other surviving nations on Earth still by the time Yamato leaves. Eight years is a long time. It is stated that the Earth Fleets managed to stop the Gamilus direct assualt at Mars (under Okita). So at least at some point during the war, the Earth Fleets were either large enough, or have more types of ships that could counter the Gamilus vessels. But over those eight years the Earth Fleets have been wiped out. Most victories have been costly. But their have been a few victories. Hence the Planet Bombing. At least that is how Yuki's backstory tale seems to picture things by 2199.
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Old 2012-06-11, 15:12   Link #612
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Oh indeed! The Yamato is definitely a far more advanced warship. Even if it didn't have the wave motion engine, it's got far more firepower than any other ship in the earth fleet.

Even if earth could build Yamato ships without wave motion engines, they'd have probably would have been able to push the Gamilons out of the solar system. Rather than be an enemy that the Gamilons primarily used Auxiliaries to fight.



One thing to consider about the Shock cannons, is that they might not have as good of range as the laser beams. Since allot of the fleets shots were missing, then the shock cannons would probably have all missed. And it's possible that since the objective of the operation was to distract the Gamilons, trying to get closer for the kill wouldn't have been a good idea. Especially if the Gamilons tried to keep distance, and the earth ships ended up burning allot of fuel chasing them.
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Old 2012-06-11, 15:35   Link #613
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The accuracy of the shock cannons would probably be slighly better than the pulse lasers (or phasers I think one translation put it), but with such a narrow field of fire (bow only) the Gamilons can evade the front end of the Earth ships. And if he Earth ships miss, it will be a while before they can fire those guns again.

If the Earth built ships like Yamato (without the Wave Motion Engine) they would be using two or three engines like on Kirishima to power it. They might have good turreted guns at that point, but they still would lack shielding. Since it would be dangerous, the Gamilons would likely focus fire on those if they arrived in a battle. Such a ship would be expensive and result in devistating loses once destroyed.

While the Kirishima type is nearly equal to the larger Gamilon cruisers, it is may not be considered as much of a threat since there are relatively few of them (or in this case one). The rest of the Earth ships seem to blow up relatively easily for little in return. The Kirishima type, while likely on a even (minus shields) footing with the Gamilons, is just one ship. And it seems to be standard tactics in this universe to take out the escorts first, then focus on the flagship (unless one is trying to take them all out at once with a Wave Motion Gun).

Of course as you mentioned, if the Earth Fleet was every a real threat, the Gamilons would have sent a front line fleet to deal with them rather than a second rate fleet crewed by second class citizens (or a conquered species under the Empire's rule...depending on how the social structuring works).
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Old 2012-06-11, 23:07   Link #614
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Ithekro, the next time you do one of these games, would you mid posting some pics? I'd be very interested to see how it turns out.

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Old 2012-06-12, 00:56   Link #615
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(BD player acquired. Subtitles confirmed for being good sized and easy to read)
I already confirmed that back in April!

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Old 2012-06-12, 01:07   Link #616
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Well I did take pictures: If one wants a semi-detailed battle report, that can be arranged.

(Hopefully the images work, or I will need to upload them elsewhere.)

Earth's First Fleet entering the Pluto Area
(Note: Yukikaze is the little destroyer on the red stand)
(Note 2: Since there is presently no UNCF Cruisers in miniature, we used Comet Empire era (2201) Earth Battleships in their place.)



Gamilon Pluto Base Fleet moving to intercept the Earth fleet.


Turn Two:
(Earth Fleet is asked to surrender. "Nuts". First ship lost was a Gamilus destroyer.)
..

Turn Three:
(Gamilas vessels start to inflict damage on the Earth Fleet. One cruiser and six destroyers lost. No Gamilas loses.)
..

Turn Four:
(Earth Fleet dares the Gamilas Lines. Kirishima and the Enemy Flagship exchange fire. Three Earth Cruisers and one destroyer lost in exchange for three Gamilus destroyers.)
..

Turn Five:
(Earth Fleet regroups. The remaining Cruisers start to make daring dives at the Gamilus Fleet. The Gamilus commanders disobey orders and "waste" over 100 missiles to take out two Earth Cruisers.)
..

Turn Six:
(One more Earth Cruiser and two Destroyers make a daring stab at the Gamilus to buy the Kirishima more time. The two destroyers are lost, but the Cruiser survives the charge.)
..

Turn Seven:
(The remaining six Earth ships accelerate and escape the Pluto Area having accomplished their mission. Kirishima, Yukikaze, two Cruisers, and two Destroyers survive to make it to Mars to pick up Kodai and Shima some three weeks later.)
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Old 2012-06-12, 06:08   Link #617
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The accuracy of the shock cannons would probably be slighly better than the pulse lasers (or phasers I think one translation put it), but with such a narrow field of fire (bow only) the Gamilons can evade the front end of the Earth ships. And if he Earth ships miss, it will be a while before they can fire those guns again.
Slightly better accuracy doesn't help if like, 50%+ of the shots from the pulse lasers/phasers miss These aren't really weapons you can use to drastically use turn a battle unless you use them at point blank range. And since holding up the Gamilons for as long as possible was the objective in the battle for pluto...



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Well I did take pictures: If one wants a semi-detailed battle report, that can be arranged.

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Awesome! Looks like it was fun.

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Old 2012-06-12, 20:47   Link #619
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Thank you.


As for the fanart...well...that is something you really couldn't do on the old show. Simply do to a lack of female personel.

(Symmetrical docking)

I know the one on th eleft very well...but want to get to know the one on the right (though give the nature of this show...I doubt she'll survive to reach Earth again.)
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Old 2012-06-12, 20:58   Link #620
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Not into gaming, but it looks cool. While I know this is a digression, what does it have to do with YAMATO: 2199, exactly?
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