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Old 2012-07-03, 00:47   Link #61
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Great wall was needed, due to attacks from northern "barbarian", although whether the sacrifice was worth it or not is very much arguable(the northern land citizens do lose their lives from northern barbarian attack if the wall wasn't errected). The burning book and scholar burying on the other hand was born from paranoia, probably come from first emperor's rough childhood, although some expert theorized that the first emperor an Li Si did that to force the citizens to use the new standardized letter.

Beside that though, his policies was mostly revolutionizing such as standardization of letter, measurements, irrigation system in Sichuan, Lingqu canal, etc. Still, the first emperor image is mostly bad in modern people and it intrigues me a lot that the manga writer decides to make him the protagonist.

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Old 2012-07-05, 13:49   Link #62
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Okay - just watched ep 5, and... it's back to the cgi. Changing back and forth between cgi and standard animation style is kinda jarring for me. I wonder what the point of doing that is? Weird.

Anyhoo - the story continues to be engaging for me. Officially added to my "committed" list.
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Old 2012-07-05, 14:11   Link #63
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To my eye the CGI in #5 seemed to be used mostly in battle scenes and scenes with a lot of movement, and didn't bother me as much. Where it really threw me was when it was being used in the conversational scenes and small-scale stuff, where it truly looked awful.
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Old 2012-07-19, 04:31   Link #64
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I thought I was getting used to the CG, but... uggghhh... the CG in the non-battle scenes just through things off. Also, Xing screaming all the time has its limits.

That said, the latest episode was interesting. I like the backstories they give, and the apology in the end was very well timed. I'm sure that Zheng will eventually convince the mountain people to help him. He has no other options right now.
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Old 2012-07-19, 10:16   Link #65
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I agree with Forsaken_Infinity that it's hard to say what "might have" happened. But Cao Cao was a strong and capable personality, so he might have been able to set up something that lasted. Or not.

And as for the First Emperor, we do have to give credit (and blame) to minister Li Si. I find the burning books and burying scholars hard to justify, and the deaths of so many people in constructing things like the Great Wall. But unity was clearly a problem, and the Great Wall at least had some defensive value. As kuroishinigami says, without his "leadership and wile" he couldn't have unified China.

I've read that when the First Emperor sent officials from the new capital to rule the regions, the local aristocratic families were upset. They wanted to continue running their local areas themselves. So they supported rebellions against the Qin. He was ahead of his time, since the country wasn't ready for a real bureaucracy yet.
To be fair, there is never a good time when setting up a new cultural norm or ruling regime. It took a Civil War just to get slavery abolished and what Qn Shǐ Huang was trying to accomplish were not just sovereignty but to standardize virtually everything at time.

Not to mention that he was only Emperor for 11 years and with the speed and method he unified the land he needs more time to settle everything down. Personally, I still contribute Qin's quick demise to Zhao Gao and Li Si considering that Fusu was described as a capable and well-respect men and was suppose to be the successor with the aid of Grand General Meng Tian.

As for Cao Cao, he was a capable man, but did not establish Wei, his son did and he himself was know for massacres and city burning. It is hard to say Cao Cao himself will done better considering all three kingdoms had vast advances along with revolutionary policy implementations during that period. Besides, Shu was the kingdom with least internal strife during that period. (But at same time they can't afford to have constant discord the way Wei court did).

Besides, one of the biggest problem Cao Cao had was appointing his successor. If weren't because Cao Pi being a decisive and similarly capable leader the same thing that happened to Yuan Shao and Lui Biao would had happened again. Cao Pi was forced to take power away from his own clan (though he did keep Xiahou Clan's power to maintain central control). But it still led to the rise of Sima clan. Sima Yan learned the lesson and keep the power within the clan similar to the way Cao Cao did but ironically, it was precisely that reason the Jin dynasty lost it's power. The family feud became the cause of Jin Dynasty's down fall 25 years after his death that forced Jin to give up northern territories to different tribes that forms the 16 States. But with that been said, Jin still lasted about 150 years.


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Great wall was needed, due to attacks from northern "barbarian", although whether the sacrifice was worth it or not is very much arguable(the northern land citizens do lose their lives from northern barbarian attack if the wall wasn't errected). The burning book and scholar burying on the other hand was born from paranoia, probably come from first emperor's rough childhood, although some expert theorized that the first emperor an Li Si did that to force the citizens to use the new standardized letter.

Beside that though, his policies was mostly revolutionizing such as standardization of letter, measurements, irrigation system in Sichuan, Lingqu canal, etc. Still, the first emperor image is mostly bad in modern people and it intrigues me a lot that the manga writer decides to make him the protagonist.

Though to be fair, most of the walls were already erected by then, he only ordered the connection of those walls.


But I'm loving this, with the main character being one of Yng Zheng's main generals who was over-shadowed by the more famous and celebrated Meng Tian. Though the two of them (and their peers) had quite a pressure on them with their predecessor Wang Jian and his predecessor Bai Qi both being considers among the top 4 generals during the latter period of Warring States. (other two been Lian Po and Li Mu, both of Zhao)

Li Xin is an interesting choice also because his clan survive into well into Han Dynasty and continues to be a well-known military family has produce multiple known generals. His most well-known descendant is Li Guang, The Flying General. (and yes, Lu Bu's nickname comes from that guy.)
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Old 2012-07-19, 12:15   Link #66
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I am thinking the same thing. I hope the owl suit kid is a girl, it will give this show some gender balance ^
But this is an era with gender inequality. Females do not have good outcomes here. I hope this is a guy for his sake.

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Old 2012-07-19, 13:46   Link #67
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I thought I was getting used to the CG, but... uggghhh... the CG in the non-battle scenes just through things off. Also, Xing screaming all the time has its limits.

That said, the latest episode was interesting. I like the backstories they give, and the apology in the end was very well timed. I'm sure that Zheng will eventually convince the mountain people to help him. He has no other options right now.
I actually found that there was less CG in the non-battle scenes than in the lost couple of eps...
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Old 2012-07-19, 22:09   Link #68
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Yeah - still have not watched ep 7, but was quite surprised to see the kid in the owl suit called a "she". I thought it was a young lad. -_-

Ah well.
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Old 2012-07-20, 02:06   Link #69
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Yeah - still have not watched ep 7, but was quite surprised to see the kid in the owl suit called a "she". I thought it was a young lad. -_-

Ah well.
Who called him a she? AFAIK the anime has acted as if he's male.
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Old 2012-07-20, 05:49   Link #70
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Be warned, there ARE several gender-swapped generals in this series.

One of them will kill you with her natural adorable charm.
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Old 2012-07-20, 06:38   Link #71
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I actually found that there was less CG in the non-battle scenes than in the lost couple of eps...
It was at the beginning of the episode, where the group were discussing what to do next at the retreat. The mouths were moving slowly, while the dialogue was too quick, which reminded me of early 80's cartoons, with the inconsistent mouth movement versus dialogue.
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Old 2012-07-21, 19:02   Link #72
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With how this series is, anyone here also reading The Ravage of Time? That is another awesome series features, blood, sweat, deceit, assassination, and glorious battle!!!!!
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Old 2012-07-21, 20:35   Link #73
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Just found this series. Like the story, but the animation is so unbelievably ugly that its hard to watch at points.
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Old 2012-07-23, 15:03   Link #74
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Just found this series. Like the story, but the animation is so unbelievably ugly that its hard to watch at points.
Normally I would agree with you but this series has so much potential and such good story telling, that one can simply look past the aesthetics of the animation.

What I find most jarring is how Ichigo just yells the entire time. He doesn't know how to sound rough around the edges -- he just flat out yells.

Even with that, I forgive it. I'm really enjoying it right now.
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Old 2012-07-23, 20:12   Link #75
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This is the best anime I'm watching currently. Ep 8 has so many awesome moments but the best is when king of mountain realm takes of his mask and makes his declaration. It's just full of awesomeness.
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Old 2012-07-23, 21:53   Link #76
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Well, from what I read in the manga, the story is quite good, especially to a history junkie like me. It's also amusing that they decide to use the highly controversial figure qin shi huang as a hero instead of the mre conventional one such as Liu Bang or Ming dynasty Zhu Yuanzhang which usually portrayed more heroical than Qin Shi Huang
Simon lee is usually the only Chinese Emperor ro be portray in a good light. Both Liu Bang And Zhu Yuanzhang are mostly known for killing off people that help them found their dynasty.
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Old 2012-07-23, 22:09   Link #77
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The first half of this series is mostly Xin's childhood adventures.
The latter half of the series is completely War Epic.
Stick around with this, the story just gets better and better.
It's popularity grew to be one of the most popular manga running in Young Jump now.

The original manga did something similar to Gurren Lagann, by showing Xin all grown up and leading an army at the very start of first episode, before scene changing back to his childhood.
It was very similar to the starting few minutes of Gurren Lagann.
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Old 2012-07-24, 18:59   Link #78
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just saw ep 1 and want to nitpiock a bit.

Calvary in time period mostly consist of Chariots. There were very few horse riding troops. Mostly scouts, messengers and the Top generals.
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Old 2012-07-26, 01:01   Link #79
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Be warned, there ARE several gender-swapped generals in this series.

One of them will kill you with her natural adorable charm.
Yeah, I just saw ep. 7.
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