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Old 2012-09-27, 21:10   Link #1441
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Therefore, I think Chisato also told herself to hide her problem--because deep-seated psychological issues aren't solved with a good hug--and as soon as another situation arises where Chisato is reminded of the accident, her craziness is going to flare-up again.
I don't think.. it's better to say she now recognized her situation, and accepted it.... About her "craziness" if that's hat you call, it needs another traumatic experience to make that happen... Hmmm... people do then to be crazy to be "crazy like" when they see a loved one in a near death situation are we?

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But as you note, Chisato stopped Mifuyu from overcoming her insecurity, which is hardly the behavior of someone who has just had their own breakthrough.
Nope, just trying to wear the dress is enough sign that she is overcoming her problem...

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Or, I should say, that he did have feelings for her in the past, but he met someone else and he developed feelings for that other person, and this was partly brought on by the fact that his original feelings had to be kept on hold because of the situation with her brother. It's not like one person can only ever love one other person in their lifetime.
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I didn't watch the last episode yet but... That's sounds really romantic.
It does... it's the director's execution that was a messed. Personally, I find it satisfying, not in the technical part... or so was it?

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Old 2012-09-27, 22:19   Link #1442
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Old 2012-09-27, 22:21   Link #1443
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And the anime never explained just WHY Oojima was the ONLY one who could see weird things on certain people...
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Old 2012-09-28, 00:51   Link #1444
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Old 2012-09-28, 02:34   Link #1445
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And so, another series ends. I'm glad I rewatched it at right after episode 8 aired, since it was that good. However, after that things went downhill, and quicker than I could process. This series had so much potential, and they built everything up very well. However, starting from episode 10 on, the extreme shift in direction, thought, and execution made this one of the worse shows possible. They just threw everything in the viewers' face and expect people to just accept it. Unfortunately, it made the 2 ending main characters looking much worse than they should have.

So much was still not explained, like why Yuuki can see people in weird shapes, and why Michiru can see auras around people. If they were going to show something supernatural, at least explain what it is.

As for the love portion, the show really did just shoved everyone to the side and forced their choice. There were no further developments or even acknowledgements from any of the other heroines. It was Chisato, and that's it. Just like Chisato, everyone just have to accept it. No reaction from anyone else. Just pretend everything did not exist, and this was Chisato's story from day one. Unfortunately, it really wasn't Chisato's story until episode 10, and execution suffered for it.

Speaking of Chisato, she started from an okay character, to a psychological nutcase, and ending as damsel in distress. No other character shifted so much concerning what she was, and she definitely had an identity crisis. The way Chisato was shown in the anime made it unsympathetic for most viewers including myself. Then again, game players mentioned that she was actually more bearable in the anime than she was in game. The bad direction coincided with the Chisato focus; hence, it is understandable why many viewers will blame Chisato for "ruining" the story.

In truth, it is the writers and production team's fault for how the story ended up, and blame should be solely presented there. If they chose to tie up the story better, we might not be having this much rage right now.

All in all, Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate had a great premise, promising storyline, great initial execution, but utterly poor ending execution that destroyed everything else they accomplished. It was going to be one of my favorite series, but now, it will probably never be watched again.
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Old 2012-09-28, 02:40   Link #1446
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And the anime never explained just WHY Oojima was the ONLY one who could see weird things on certain people...
That was also never explained in the game though.
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Old 2012-09-28, 02:58   Link #1447
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Old 2012-09-28, 03:21   Link #1448
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So much was still not explained, like why Yuuki can see people in weird shapes, and why Michiru can see auras around people. If they were going to show something supernatural, at least explain what it is.
Yuuki being able to see some things were never explained in the game. Maybe it was used a few times as a comedy, but otherwise it was completely useless.
As for Michiru,
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Then again, game players mentioned that she was actually more bearable in the anime than she was in game.
Heck no.
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As for the rest , i agree and it's similar to what i thought in the games thread except slightly more positive. (without any long comparisons with the game )

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My tentative conclusion (need to rewatch some episodes again) is that Koichoco started out as a promising eroge adaptation but it ended up being different from what i would have expected. The lack of romance and the problems that i had how the story was told keeps me from really liking this anime, but at the same time this anime not that bad. It could have been alot worse, but it also could have been alot better.
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Old 2012-09-28, 03:24   Link #1449
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And picking up exactly where we left off last week, we now have the grand finale of SuperFoodFriends, starring the Dark Knight OojimaMan and Krypton's Last Psychodere Chisato!

We begin with the enacting of Lex Luthor's grand plan to steal the election for his carefully masked son. In this grand endeavor, Luthor has called upon the aid of his Injustice Gang ally Circe, who has used her dark magics to take on the name and image of a girl named Oosawa.

Ah, but "Oosawa" didn't count on running into the daughter of Solid Snake and Yuki Nagato! Michiru's DITE-based powers revealed the true dark magical nature of Oosawa, hence enabling Kana to keep the evidence that would eventually see Oosawa go to jail.

Our great electoral hero, Bruce Oojima, sprints through town, thinking that there's no better place to find a kryptonian than in a public telephone booth. Sure enough, he found that kryptonian's disclosed civilian clothes, but given how they were badly messed up he knew that this was SRS BSNS.

Thankfully, our brilliant President-to-be is always one step ahead, and so he has incriminating evidence on Mouri on his FoodComputer (tm)! So Mouri now feels obliged to do all he can to help out Oojima and give him a fighting chance to win the election while also saving Chisato!


Chisato is later found on a bed of red sun-irradiated flowers, hence weakening her powers, but not her deep spirit of Truth, Justice, and the Food Club Way! Chisato intones Oojima to not give up, and to fight on to win the election since he is carrying all the hopes of this multi-billion dollar school on his back!

So Oojma is whisked faster than a speeding bullet to the place where the candidate speeches are being delivered, and he proceeds to put forward a speech more powerful than a locomotive, allowing him to leap Moheiji's approval ratings in a single bound!

Oojima is elected President, and Satsuki gets the consolation price of being the wonder woman of this newly elected justice league for the school. Luthor, Circe, and Luthor's son are all soundly defeated. The Food Club rests easy at night on a bed of yaoi sticks, and while covered in Oojima Rolls, knowing that Oojima is on the case of fighting criminality and discrimination wherever he might find it (when he's not stealing chocolatey kisses that is! ).

And so ends this exciting tale of love, elections, and chocolate!


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In all seriousness, I'm relieved that Oojima won the election in the end. This anime at least managed to do some justice to its main politics plot when it's all said and done, imo.

The less said about its main romance the better, but then romance actually ended up just being a side-attraction in this story.

I guess you could do worse than a very good main plot, and a bad side-attraction.

On the whole, Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate is probably worth a 7/10.
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Old 2012-09-28, 03:55   Link #1450
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I think the fundamental problem with Chocolate is what I'd call the One Cour syndrome. That's when you have a plot with too many plot threads and too many plot elements to properly warp up altogether. I recall very strongly that early on, I predicted that the chance of an end-game trainwreck was high.

And yes, I think by some counts, it was a Trainwreck ending. Was this disappointing? Yes, no doubt. Surprising? No. There were too many demands put on Chocolate, too much material to cover, and by the time we left the Super Route, more rapport was built up with Satsuki than Chisato from an anime only viewer Point of View.

Basically

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The haters of Chocolate are correct. More Senkyo and less Love would have made Chocolate a far superior product, but the only problem is the complete lack of time.

I think given the time issues, it was rather clear that either they went Satsuki, after episode 9, they didn't go for a romantic ending, or we'd get a trainwreck. We got a trainwreck of a shoehorn romance concerning Chisato, from the anime viewer perspective.

Why are people so surprised and outraged then? Sure, if this was Two Cour, I'd say you do have a case, but this is one Cour, so I think outrage is a little unfair. Disappointment, definitely, but I think that should have been expected. Had the Director been able to do a well done final three episodes, I would have regarded him as a top class director.

9/10 for the first nine-ten episodes. 6/10 for the last episodes.

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Old 2012-09-28, 04:03   Link #1451
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It was an okay ending, but they should have spent more time on Chisato if they were planning on choosing her route...
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Old 2012-09-28, 04:20   Link #1452
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Old 2012-09-28, 04:49   Link #1453
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Why are people so surprised and outraged then? Sure, if this was Two Cour, I'd say you do have a case, but this is one Cour, so I think outrage is a little unfair. Disappoint, definitely, but I think that should have been expected. Had the Director been able to do a well done final three episodes, I would have regarded him as a top class director.
This is the sort of eternal question of who is responsible for what aspect of a production (and we don't really know what happens behind the scenes or who has much control or influence over what), but if I have to point the finger anywhere (which I generally hesitate to do), I guess I would have to say the main issue is less the direction, but more the structuring of the story (a.k.a. "series composition"). Perhaps, as you imply, a really good director could save it, but trying to blend so many plot threads into a single timeline in such a short period of time is indeed something of a suicide mission. I'm honestly a bit impressed at just how many plot elements the story planner managed to blend, even if this came at a price. There was a conversation in another thread where we talked about "ambition", and I would say that this was an "ambitious" story plan. If you had asked *me* to plan the story (based on the original source material), I honestly don't think I would have been as "ambitious"; I would have trimmed back a lot of the plot threads to just focus on a single core story (and add a few little snippets of other routes where I could). But you never know what instructions they were given by the people paying the bills, so that's why I try not to place too much blame.

I guess I agree with the general consensus that, if you focus primarily on the politics and the school-related intrigue, it's a pretty fun and interesting anime, and I think that is really the part where the story planner had to (and did) work the hardest to create some sort of a timeline and sequence that made sense.
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Old 2012-09-28, 07:44   Link #1454
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finally all the drama & conspiracy on this over.

so yea tomoya 2.0 going running wild messed clothes on wild phone chase to rescue chisato give yea someone is ruin it all.

give it all revealed due michiru seeing the aura of evil aka yuina-kugi was behind all of it from hit-run on kana, kidnap chisato, etc yea she did it all!!!

after arrest her tomoya 2.0 found chisato get back & was allow give his speech was so well yea he became the new pres, satsuki is vice pres, all clubs are safe, etc & tomoya 2.0 with chisato had choco-kiss ending.

ok now all that done end is all check give now hmm if plan to do Ima Sugu Oniichan ni Imouto da tte Iitai! anime just as long no put conspiracy on it really if again like choco anime this said it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2dbBWsfdM
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Old 2012-09-28, 08:36   Link #1455
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I think given the time issues, it was rather clear that either they went Satsuki, after episode 9, they didn't go for a romantic ending, or we'd get a trainwreck. We got a trainwreck of a shoehorn romance concerning Chisato, from the anime viewer perspective.

Why are people so surprised and outraged then?
People are surprised because through the first 9 episodes or so of this anime, this was a very well-done show. Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate was in the very jaws of victory, simply needing to continue to smoothly execute the plot direction it had already been building up for the last few episodes. With some shows, you can tell that the last three or four episodes just aren't going to be enough time to satisfactorily handle what the show has left to cover. But with Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate, it was clear that the time was there... as long as the show went with a Satsuki-Oojima ending.

And this ties into why some people are outraged.

Switching main heroines mid-stream can be a bit upsetting to viewers simply on the face of it, as some of the viewer reactions I've read to Mashiro-iro Symphony makes clear. But at least Mashiro-iro Symphony handled that pretty well. Certainly the final romance itself was strong and compelling in Mashiro-iro Symphony. It's understandable that some shippers would be pissed, but from a more objective point of view, the final romance of Mashiro-iro Symphony was quite solid and satisfying.


But with Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate, this trainwreck ending (at least on the romance side of things) really does feel like an "unforced error". Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate didn't have to change the main heroine in the last few episodes. It could have stuck with Satsuki and played that smoothly out to a thoroughly satisfying conclusion.

To your credit, you put it very succinctly: "I think given the time issues, it was rather clear that either they went Satsuki, after episode 9, they didn't go for a romantic ending, or we'd get a trainwreck. We got a trainwreck of a shoehorn romance concerning Chisato, from the anime viewer perspective."

Yeah, I think a lot of viewers saw exactly what you saw. After Episode 9, this anime had three options:

1) Satsuki end.

2) No clear-cut romantic ending.

3) Trainwreck.


And they freely chose trainwreck. I mean, I'd like to think that Koi's production staff are at least as perceptive at this sort of thing as we are, so I'd like to think that they also realized that a Satsuki end was the smoothest way to go after Episode 9. So why did they switch to Chisato in the last quarter, given it would cause a trainwreck on the "Love" side of things? "Just because"?

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it when it causes the sort of problems it did here.

From a creative standpoint, there's no particular reason why they couldn't have went with an Oojima/Satsuki end. So they had a perfectly viable option available to them that we clearly can see would have avoided all of this mess, so naturally some fans are going to be upset that they didn't simply go with that smoother option.

Long story short, if you're going to execute a main heroine change somewhere in the middle portions of the show, you better execute it at least as well as Mashiro-iro Symphony did or viewers are naturally going to be upset.

It's obviously going to be particularly upsetting to Satsuki shippers, because not only does our girl lose, she loses for the sake of a not-so-great romance.
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Old 2012-09-28, 09:15   Link #1456
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first, I want to say something to GenjiChan.... YAY! For Chisato ending... lol

just like I said in my post before.... I'm happy to see a good adaptation of VN again

although this series has LOT OF POSSIBILITES... they can even explore each route like Clannad
but unfortunately they don't do it...
someone like Oojima Yuki is needed in our politics world right now... this anime seems like want to put some critique to how politics are working especially on Tatsumi Moheji when he's shown wearing a mask with nice face but nasty personalities...
I personally like this finale because of Oojima's speech and how they settle everything very well...

although I like Chisato's ending.... I would like to see Satsuki's ending, Michiru's ending, or that poor girl's ending who don't even get chance to be explained.....
I'm expecting an OVA to answer my curiosity....
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Hahaha and just one week ago some of you still tried to persuade that its not about shipping wars... And being dissapointed ofc have nothing to do with Satsuki loosing her chance to win in episode 10... Just pathethic...


Triple_R hahaha tell me when Satsuki was main heroine in this anime? Just when? Creators give us hint EVEN in opening, before anime started that she will not be one... [mod edit: remove personal attack]

And that all title symbolism crap, just whats this? Its that hard to understand that there is nothing "special" behind it? Just simple love, chocolate and election... Its not that kind of art.
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Old 2012-09-28, 09:34   Link #1458
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So the series ends with a girl suffering from untreated PTSD and her schizophrenic boyfriend engaging in erotic food play in front of her dead brother's grave. It's original at least.
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Hahaha and just one week ago some of you still tried to persuade that its not about shipping wars... And being dissapointed ofc have nothing to do with Satsuki loosing her chance to win in episode 10... Just pathethic...
I totally agree..
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Hahaha and just one week ago some of you still tried to persuade that its not about shipping wars... And being dissapointed ofc have nothing to do with Satsuki loosing her chance to win in episode 10... Just pathethic...


Triple_R hahaha tell me when Satsuki was main heroine in this anime? Just when? Creators give us hints EVEN in opening, before anime started that she will not be one... [mod edit...]
Don't be so extremely hostile. Despite that i liked Chisato slightly more than Satsuki, i am not pleased how the anime handled Chisato in the last 3 episodes. I can understand why some people prefered Satsuki over Chisato, especially in the anime version.

As for my own shipping preferences, the characters that i liked the most had no realistic chances after the first few episodes : Isara and Mifuyu.

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