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Old 2011-11-30, 21:48   Link #41
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So when Ginjo is eventually defeated will Ichigo get his Fullbring back? And be a Vizard/Shinigami/Fullbring
I don't think Ichigo will need it really (but it would come in handy). Desn't Ichigo still have some of his fullbring, just not all of it if i'm remembering what Ginjou said correctly.
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Old 2011-11-30, 21:50   Link #42
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Old 2011-11-30, 21:52   Link #43
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Don't the flashbacks mean anything to you
Just because flashbacks add new context to past events does not in any way mean that context was there originally. So no, the flashbacks don't mean anything to me. While it's possible he planned some of this out chapters in advance, he definitely didn't plan them out to the degree you're suggesting.

As for the chapter, ehh. I'm mostly ambivalent to Ichigo's new Bankai (I preferred the simplicity of his old Bankai, but I don't outright hate this one), and there wasn't much else to be said for this chapter. Bankai, conversation that all but nullified the reveal from last weak, and another Bankai. Meh.

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Old 2011-11-30, 23:29   Link #44
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Damn, Rukia looks so frkn cute in each panel.
You can say what you want about Kubo, but he knows how to draw female faces. :O


She always has haha
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Old 2011-12-01, 01:00   Link #45
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Nah, LoP..Kubo's planning always amaze me (I'm more inclined to believe that he had planned some of them implicitly), but what amaze me the most is how those fans managed to dig out some past chapters' scene, connect those to what's happening in the current arc and theorize on how he had planned all of them from the start

The main problem of Kubo's writing is that he likes to give small hints that looks insignificant so that we don't realize it, but they're there. That is, of course, if you like to believe that they're actually hints that Kubo gave us
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Old 2011-12-01, 01:07   Link #46
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I dont think its because they "couldnt" break it. I think it has something to do with the Captains pride. You know the one where they fight one on one. Maybe the Captains respect for Ichi is such they that believe he can handle this on his own. Besides the Shinigami have been on a training overhaul the last 17 months so power wise I think they are right on par with the current Ichi as he hasent trained for 17 months til his FB training and dont forget they have a restriction on their power when they leave SS and enter the human world.
i agree, i think they could have broken it. But didnt out of their pride and ichis pride. maybe they also wanted to see if he fully got his powers back (banki)
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Old 2011-12-01, 02:58   Link #47
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is it me or Ginjo's Bankai lacks originality?
look at the captain's bankai...mostly original...
much like Ichigo, Ginjo's bankai...enhances his features i would say. you have fur on your coat? let's make it longer! you have a sword? let's make it biger!
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Old 2011-12-01, 05:51   Link #48
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Shounen Heroes will always have their signature move and will only create variations of it, it's the universal rule.

Case in point to Kubo's lack of planning: He's admitted to having to go back and re-read past chapters.
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Old 2011-12-01, 06:14   Link #49
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Stop posting so much gif because some people have slow/limited Internet access.

Ichigo's new sword looks better, outfit isn't bad. As for the chapter the element of plot development was certainly erased by Ichigo's attitude to info about Ukitake.
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Old 2011-12-01, 07:52   Link #50
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Holy wall of GIFs...

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I was referring to, unless I'm mistaken and you said no such thing, your insinuation that he planned last week's reveal far in advance. That is what you meant when you referred to the flashbacks, isn't it?

Because if it isn't, I really have no idea what you were trying to say in your last post.
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Old 2011-12-01, 09:21   Link #51
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LoP if your entire point is that "he's actually thought things out but not all the minor details" well then you've just shot yourself in the foot. It's the small details that determine how good the planning is. It's not black and white. It's not either "hint or no hint". Hints and foreshadowing can vary in their degree of quality.

The three main hints are:
1) Chad saying the sign looks like disapproval - Bad hint. It's taken as comedy so no suspicion is raised
2) Ishida thoughtful about the badge - Vague hint that you would generally use as a start. Raises small degree of suspicion
3) Afro dumbass not heard of the badge - Bad hint. It's taken as comedy so no suspicion is raised.

This is all really really vague stuff that Kubo intentionally left so he had room to do anything he wanted with it, if at all. And to top it off it's only 3 hints through 240 chapters. That doesn't suggest good planning. A good hint would've been Ichigo or someone else inquiring into previous substitute shinigami or into the badge, or someone acknowledging that the badge has actually done something plot affecting. Plot affecting hints are generally the best ones.

And all of that only hints at a suspicion with the badge. There's pretty much no hint whatsoever that Ichigo actually thought about it. That was completely out of nowhere.
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Old 2011-12-01, 09:29   Link #52
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To honest I think Ichigo's bankai looks gay. The old one was nice and simple.

And i'm not impressed by anything Ichigo said since it really does feel Kubo has just made up this previously non existent drama purely for the sake of it.
i laughed out loud with this one! it does look gay, doesn't it?

but the sword looks interesting. i wonder if it could do other attacks, other than the perennial getsuga tenshou. hmmm... i still prefer the old look though. it was simple and practical. i liked the old bankai sword better too. it was sleek, clean and quite badass.

i think kubo made that whole thing about ukitake as a traitor to drag it out for another chapter, as if he didn't write hundreds of dragging chapters already! brilliant move though, if you're kubo and you're thinking you need to milk it for all it's worth.
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Old 2011-12-01, 09:37   Link #53
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The new Bankai seems more like a one hit finisher type sword, it would be unseemly to see it clash as often with other blades.
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Old 2011-12-01, 10:12   Link #54
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With the box destroyed, couldn't all the captains go at Ginjo? Or is there another plot element here?

If they can't go after Gin because he's strong, why hasn't there been any mentioning of him? They would all challenge Aizen but not him!? Bleach has gone down the deep path of making no sense anymore
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Old 2011-12-01, 10:23   Link #55
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I see no reason why they can't gang up on Ginjou now, unless I too am forgetting something. I doubt they will of course, but we'll see.
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Old 2011-12-01, 11:03   Link #56
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Plot element? Momo is not there, so they won't gang up on Ginjo.
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Old 2011-12-01, 11:10   Link #57
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can anyone explain to me what the fuck happened between Riruka and Rukia?
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Old 2011-12-01, 11:36   Link #58
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can anyone explain to me what the fuck happened between Riruka and Rukia?



We don't know what happened yettt :O! Stay tuned for the next chapter
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Old 2011-12-01, 12:12   Link #59
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Stop posting so much gif because some people have slow/limited Internet access.
My bad. I don't have slow or limited internet . So I forgot that others do. Since it's foreign to me

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As for the chapter the element of plot development was certainly erased by Ichigo's attitude to info about Ukitake.
You think so? I don't think that was supposed to be the focus. Ginjou's going bankai with Ichigo's power and Ichigo having visible signs of the others powers and both can Fullbring is supposed to be the main focus

But it could be me. You've seen one conspiracy you've seen them all so that's not important to me. Their development as substitutes, Shinigami-Human hybrids with hollow powers and an ability to manipulate the souls of other objects interest me more

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Shounen Heroes will always have their signature move and will only create variations of it, it's the universal rule.
Yeah but only Ichigo and Naruto seem to use the same one for 10 years or more

The others usually add more moves to their repertoire

I.E Samurai Deeper Kyo his signature moves were actually just parts of his true signature move. So it seemed like he had more than one.

Please god I want to see a newer move...
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Case in point to Kubo's lack of planning: He's admitted to having to go back and re-read past chapters.
Your point?

Again that shows that he doesn't plan EVERY DETAIL. No...I think that it shows that he wants to make sure that new reveals aren't total ass pulls and retcons not that he lacks planning. I think that's a good thing and it's not a mark against him. It's covering his ass. I think that is a very good example of him actually "thinking" about his story

Kishi also admitted that he's forgotten some things he wrote about 10 years ago no?

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Old 2011-12-01, 12:14   Link #60
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The three main hints are:
1) Chad saying the sign looks like disapproval - Bad hint. It's taken as comedy so no suspicion is raised
2) Ishida thoughtful about the badge - Vague hint that you would generally use as a start. Raises small degree of suspicion
3) Afro dumbass not heard of the badge - Bad hint. It's taken as comedy so no suspicion is raised.

A good hint would've been Ichigo or someone else inquiring into previous substitute shinigami or into the badge, or someone acknowledging that the badge has actually done something plot affecting. Plot affecting hints are generally the best ones.
Hints can't be given in a form of/with a joke? Are you kidding? o.O

As for No.3, it's 50/50 - either Afro wouldn't know that there's a possibility of someone being appointed as Substitute Shinigami, or he'd know about the badge. Also, there's a chance that there're no such things as "Substitute Shinigami" in SS "law", and that position was "created" with entirely different goal, other then hunting hollows and guarding city.
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