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Old 2013-09-15, 06:38   Link #701
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Note that most of their faith are still over the barren lands of the Mideast. It is like some sort of family quarrel that lasted two millenia.
Reading the Bible, it's all Abraham's fault or was it God's?
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Old 2013-09-15, 06:51   Link #702
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Doesn't help that Islam itself has split into two factions that are likely to be even more irreconcilable with each other. And it isn't even based on a religious debate, but on who gets to be Muhammad's successor. All because he didn't have a child.
He did had at least one child, Fatima, but she was not a son so ...
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Old 2013-09-15, 07:00   Link #703
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Doesn't help that Islam itself has split into two factions that are likely to be even more irreconcilable with each other. And it isn't even based on a religious debate, but on who gets to be Muhammad's successor. All because he didn't have a child.
Muhammad made it clear that he will not have any successors after him. Also it seems, Allah did not allowed him to have any male child thus preventing a legitimate successor.

The so called successors are just chosen by their own respective clan/group etc to keep the organization together. Look what happened to the Huns after Attila's death.
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Old 2013-09-15, 08:41   Link #704
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U.S.-Russia Syria deal: Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham slam agreement
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...805.html?hp=l2
Not much of a surprise here as the deal reduce much the probability of the war they seem to want so much. Do those guy get money for each live bombs than the US drop anywhere ?
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Old 2013-09-15, 11:14   Link #705
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Probably not one dropped, but maybe from new ones sold, depending on what company is in their districts or states.
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Old 2013-09-15, 15:45   Link #706
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Coporations appear everywhere, huh?

The Downside of Capitalism: Everyone got their heads spining because of money.
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Old 2013-09-15, 21:21   Link #707
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Syrian official: Chemical weapons deal a 'victory'
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-15-18-26-57

Iran commander: West opposes Assad over Israel
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-14-07-37-37
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Old 2013-09-16, 15:08   Link #708
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Turkish official: Turkish jet shot down Syrian military helicopter in Turkey’s airspace:

"A Turkish fighter jet shot down a Syrian military helicopter on Monday after it entered
Turkish airspace and ignored repeated warnings to leave, an official said.

The helicopter strayed 2 kilometers (more than 1 mile) into Turkish airspace, but
crashed inside Syria after being hit by missiles fired from the jet, Turkey’s deputy prime
minister, Bulent Arinc, told reporters in Ankara."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...647_story.html
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Old 2013-09-19, 09:00   Link #709
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U.N. Data on Gas Attack Point to Assad’s Top Forces
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/wo...op-forces.html
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The inspectors, instructed to investigate the attack but not to assign blame, nonetheless listed the precise compass directions of flight for two rocket strikes that appeared to lead back toward the government’s elite redoubt in Damascus, Mount Qasioun, which overlooks and protects neighborhoods and Mr. Assad’s presidential palace and where his Republican Guard and the army’s powerful Fourth Division are entrenched.

“It is the center of gravity of the regime,” said Elias Hanna, a retired general in the Lebanese Army and a lecturer on strategy and geopolitics at the American University of Beirut. “It is the core of the regime.”
Armes chimiques en Syrie : le rapport de l'ONU ( Article in French )
http://www.liberation.fr/monde/2013/...e-l-onu_932344

Russia Calls U.N. Chemical Report on Syria Biased
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/wo...ast/syria.html
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Old 2013-09-19, 09:56   Link #710
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What I don't get is why is everyone making such a big fuss about it now? What exactly was Syria planning to with the gas?
Eh, I dunno, I think the fact that they actually used it on their civilians, rather than sitting in a pile in an armory somewhere is somewhat relevant?


I do find amusement in Assad's blatant two-faced lying by going "Chemical weapons? What chemical weapons? I don't have any" then two weeks later "OOOOOH you mean THOSE chemical weapons, yeah I guess I have them but it'll take over a year and billion bucks to get rid of it. 'kay?"
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Old 2013-09-19, 20:29   Link #711
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Eh, I dunno, I think the fact that they actually used it on their civilians, rather than sitting in a pile in an armory somewhere is somewhat relevant?


I do find amusement in Assad's blatant two-faced lying by going "Chemical weapons? What chemical weapons? I don't have any" then two weeks later "OOOOOH you mean THOSE chemical weapons, yeah I guess I have them but it'll take over a year and billion bucks to get rid of it. 'kay?"
Politician, they're the same everywhere
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Old 2013-09-19, 21:15   Link #712
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Politician, they're the same everywhere
Politicians, all are the same, hypocrites and liars. Maybe not today, but tomorrow or the next day, or the next day, or the next day, or the next day......
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Old 2013-09-19, 21:49   Link #713
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Politician, they're the same everywhere
Well, sure, just like lawyers.

But I think there's a fine line between:

A: Dirty two-tongued populist who talks the talk for his own sake
B: Dude who actually pushes the "gas the people" button

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Old 2013-09-19, 22:07   Link #714
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I was commenting on your second paragraph actually, where you seem to be surprised about Assad's blatant two face lying of owning chemical weapon, not the first paragraph about using said weapon. Sure this time it's a lot worse because said politician has a chemical weapon instead of dirty money, but being a blatant two-faced liar sleaze-bag seems to be the standard for politician everywhere nowadays, which is why I'm kinda surprised to see you seem surprised about him lying about having a chemical weapon

But you have a point I guess, there's a fine line between two-face liars who lied about owning weapon and one who lied about owning dirty money/other things, beside that they're all two-face liars and being politicians of course

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Old 2013-09-19, 22:17   Link #715
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Well, it's kind of weird to see there aren't much politician coming from the lower class...
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Old 2013-09-19, 22:46   Link #716
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That is because they are genetically inferior, and thus are incapable of managing a country.
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Old 2013-09-19, 23:35   Link #717
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When I said lower class, I don't mean scums. He could be just a normal middle-class, farmer,...Someone could understood what his fellow countrymen need, not the cooporation.
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Old 2013-09-19, 23:39   Link #718
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Old 2013-09-19, 23:40   Link #719
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When I said lower class, I don't mean scums. He could be just a normal middle-class, farmer,...Someone could understood what his fellow countrymen need, not the cooporation.
We need more Abraham Lincolns in this world.
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Old 2013-09-19, 23:50   Link #720
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Politicians, all are the same, hypocrites and liars. Maybe not today, but tomorrow or the next day, or the next day, or the next day, or the next day......
Glad to see my view on politicians is spreading throughout the world.

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