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Old 2012-08-09, 23:46   Link #281
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That was a very different episode.

(lots of pics below)
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At beginning I tought the girls were doing some RP playing Detective.
But in the end it was a play, but then again it was just Akechi's nightmare in where... she killed Nobunaga, you bastards!

I didn't see it coming.
The story may progress now.
(or not, because there are still lots of girls in the opening to introduce)

Next ep a direct continue, like we had with Ambitious princess.


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Hi there everybody. My name is Cyprene, and I'm the translator for Sengoku Collection. I hope you're all enjoying the show. When I was working on the latest episode, episode 19 "Vengeful Fangs-IS", it occured to me that parts of it might be difficult to follow for a western audience, especially one who's not familiar with the tropes its using. Some of you, I'm sure, understood it all, including the things that we couldn't really get across in the translation. For the rest of you, I'd like to give you some background information, along with a few other little notes that might be of interest.

Spoiler for Episode 19 Spoilers:
Grats, you're doing a great job ^^

The japaneses were putting these info about the movie/series that based each episode in the japanese sengoku collection wikipedia.
But it's like they deleted that stuff and aren't submitting it anymore.

I saw some info on japanese blogs though, but I don't know japanese so I'm not sure.
Ep 15 for example, I think they were talking something about a movie called Death Ship.

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Old 2012-08-10, 03:13   Link #282
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(or not, because there are still lots of girls in the opening to introduce)
yes there are some girls for example Kojuro for his episode I think (and hope) we will also see Date Masamune
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Old 2012-08-10, 05:10   Link #283
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There were actually a bunch of references I missed, as I thought.

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That's a lot of stuff packed into 20 minutes!
It also confirms my suspicion that somebody on the animation team is a David Lynch fan. That strange sequence in episode 10 was definitely a reference to a movie he did called Rabbits.
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Old 2012-08-10, 21:14   Link #284
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That was a little massed up ending but it good to see Ieyasu again
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Old 2012-08-10, 23:00   Link #285
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it is to look for it films or books ect come the reference to an episode ... but ... it allows a number of fun at his
... xD lol
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Old 2012-08-11, 02:45   Link #286
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WOOT Ieyasu and the rice girl are my favourite characters in the series.
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Old 2012-08-11, 02:53   Link #287
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WOOT Ieyasu and the rice girl are my favourite characters in the series.
My Favorite characters is Kenshin , Kanetsugu and Date Masamune
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Old 2012-08-11, 09:41   Link #288
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yet 19eps already in give 7eps left got wonder near how wrap it all up?

give wonder if series had version of Incident at Honnou-ji til some twist cause them travel to modern world?

or unless yea if that talking dog appear must indeed another world cue ONORE DECADE on it.
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Old 2012-08-11, 13:09   Link #289
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Holy shit, ep. 19 was fucking amazing. The complex layering of murder mystery on top of Mitsuhide's amnesiac dream/play on top of Sengoku era historical references on top of pop cultural movie and detective-mystery series references made this by far the tightest episode this series has aired yet. What makes it particularly noteworthy is also that this is pretty much the first episode which has seriously dealt with this series' Sengoku era inspiration/setting/background, i.e. dealt with PLOT. As someone who got lulled into the usual rhythm thinking that this would just be some random story featuring a genderbent character who happened to be called Akechi Mitsuhide, that ending was a total mindfuck, lol.

Anyway, on top of the extensive and greatly informative list of references already provided by Cyprene (great work btw), lemme just add two more bits of further information:
  • The significance of Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, and Ieyasu being siblings wasn't just in them being great generals of the Sengoku period, but rather that they were the three successive Daimyo whose rules eventually lead to Japan's unification as a country. Hideyoshi was a general under Nobunaga, succeeding him after death; Ieyasu too served as an ally under Hideyoshi, rising to claim the Shogunate after Hideyoshi's death. The age of the Hototogisu siblings was ordered accordingly.
  • Mitsuhide's role as a "great detective", or more specifically "Great Detective Akechi", was a reference/play on another classic great detective in japanese literature who shared her(/"his") surname, Akechi Kogorou.

Y'know, after the first couple episodes of Sengoku Collection I'd basically just put this series down as a series for bored people, and even after I caught onto the parodisiacal aspects of the episodes and movie themes I still didn't really feel like it had any concrete appeal or narrative. Even if there were individual episodes which stood well on their own and were engaging and interesting, I could have barely entertained the notion of "Sengoku Collection is good anime". Episode 19 gave me a very real feeling of being able to approach that sentiment.
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Old 2012-08-11, 13:24   Link #290
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I've enjoyed it since the early episodes, once I caught onto the anthology nature of it. Anime could do with a really good anthology series, and this looks to be a top contender for that title. For people used to a more serialized narrative, it might help to think of it more as a series of short films, but they're all interconnected, mostly implicitly. The appeal of anthology is that it's not just one story. It's one hundred smaller stories happening at the same time, each of them in equal importance to another. I like the sound of that very much - nobody is really a background character, in that regard.
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Old 2012-08-11, 22:53   Link #291
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Dunno if I ever will consider Sengoku Collection a "good anime"...
It's difficult for me to recommend it for somebody.

But it has some clever aspects I would never imagine in a story about 'cute girls doing cute stuff'.

It's like the people doing this anime are having a lot of fun.

I think this is the feeling that keep me watching the anime wondering what is gonna happen next, or if the episode will be funny, sad, serious, or just crazy.
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Old 2012-08-12, 15:22   Link #292
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I'm kind of disappointed the character songs for this show only cover the first ten episodes. At the rate the releases were going, I was expecting everyone to get a song. So much potential for music that's vanished into the aether. Mitsuhide, who's pretty important in the grand scheme of things, won't get a chance for music, and I would've loved to hear a slow ballad by Yoshitsugu. Ryuubi could've gotten a nice, upbeat number too. (And it would be Yui Horie singing, people love that.) A man can dream.
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Old 2012-08-13, 22:19   Link #293
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I found this pic with the movie reference of each episode for now
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And this one I donīt undertand, lol!
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Old 2012-08-13, 22:26   Link #294
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I found this pic with the movie reference of each episode for now
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so good
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Old 2012-08-13, 22:34   Link #295
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And this one I donīt undertand, lol!
The movie is Amadeus. Apparently, Nobunaga is Mozart, and the other one Salieri (a nearly unknown rival).
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Old 2012-08-13, 22:37   Link #296
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The movie is Amadeus. Apparently, Nobunaga is Mozart, and the other one Salieri (a nearly unknown rival).
ha ok I see ...
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Old 2012-08-13, 23:00   Link #297
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The movie is Amadeus. Apparently, Nobunaga is Mozart, and the other one Salieri (a nearly unknown rival).
I don't really see the reference there though. Those are just closeups. It could be a reference to anything, or to nothing at all...
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Old 2012-08-13, 23:05   Link #298
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Made and who did it? A person working with those who make the movie ...? Or a single person who knew all these films and who put those references ...
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Old 2012-08-14, 14:45   Link #299
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I don't really see the reference there though. Those are just closeups. It could be a reference to anything, or to nothing at all...
I think the top two pictures constitute the reference, the close-ups show who is going to be playing each role. I'm guessing this is going to be the next episode. Should be interesting, and quite appropriate.

I really enjoyed this episode despite only getting a small fraction of the references. (I wish I'd known that hototogisu meant cuckoo, that would have given me a good laugh). Mitsuhide's outfit was pleasing, some nice detailing without being too fussy and a colour-scheme that complimented her hair and eyes. Talking of eyes, did anyone else notice that she only ever developed pupils when she was having a moment of realisation?

Well, it looks like we'll find out what the issue is between her and Nobunaga next week. I don't believe either of them is a bad person at heart. If the ED animation is to be believed they'll make up eventually; where does that leave Ranmaru?

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Old 2012-08-14, 14:50   Link #300
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For Nobunaga and Mitsuhide... I hope it will end like in Sengoku Otome ...
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