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Old 2012-08-14, 15:40   Link #301
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I think the top two pictures constitute the reference, the close-ups show who is going to be playing each role.
Based on what? The closeups don't have much in common with the movie pics. Heck, look at Salieri's picture. The guy is frowning, while Mitsuhide is obviously smiling/grinning. One gotta be blind to think that shot of Mitsuhide references Salieri.
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Old 2012-08-14, 15:51   Link #302
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I do not see why not take these two men as references ... because they are rival one killed the other?
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Old 2012-08-14, 16:44   Link #303
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Based on what? The closeups don't have much in common with the movie pics. Heck, look at Salieri's picture. The guy is frowning, while Mitsuhide is obviously smiling/grinning. One gotta be blind to think that shot of Mitsuhide references Salieri.
I can't see what the problem is. Whoever made that picture, I don't know where it came from, you'll have to ask Kitsu Breaker, believes the top two pictures demonstrate an Amadeus reference, and then shows which roles might be assigned to Nobunaga and Mitsuhide. Why should they have to look like Mozart and Salieri?

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Old 2012-08-14, 17:01   Link #304
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ho ok I see
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Old 2012-08-14, 17:05   Link #305
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I can't see what your problem is. Whoever made that picture, I don't know where it came from, you'll have to ask Kitsu Breaker, believes the top two pictures demonstrate an Amadeus reference, and then shows which roles might be assigned to Nobunaga and Mitsuhide. Why should they have to look like Mozart and Salieri?
Because how would you tell who fits which roles if it's not by the physical resemblance between those shots?

The problem is that if you look carefully you'll note there's no much resemblance at all, specially between Salieri and Mitsuhide, who show totally different expressions. I don't know but whoever made that picture was grasping at straws IMO.
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Old 2012-08-14, 17:28   Link #306
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it's not just because of their respective rivalry? After competing in the movie world there are probably a lot ... no?

Then I'll be honest why people trying to look for reference to the duo Oda / Akechi ...? and therefore has as much to make their original historical character as referance you disagree? Instead of looking for complicated ...

As for other "episode" the person seeking his referance of this film is ok but for the Oda and Akechi not you find other characters to referance to them ...? much do the same things with other character like Hideyoshi, Masamune Date ect ect ... <.<
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Old 2012-08-14, 17:31   Link #307
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Because how would you tell who fits which roles if it's not by the physical resemblance between those shots?

The problem is that if look carefully you'll note there's no much resemblance at all, specially between Salieri and Mitsuhide, who show totally different expressions. I don't know but whoever made that picture was grasping at straws IMO.
Personality; in the film Amadeus, Mozart was a rude, obnoxious genius who rubbed the more refined but less talented Salieri up the wrong way. At the end of his life Salieri confessed to having murdered Mozart. (He almost certainly didn't but that's beside the point). The historical Nobunaga is said to have been rude and insulting to Mitsuhide. Mitsuhide reckoned himself a poet, Nobunaga is supposed to have made fun of his poetry which kind of ties in with Salieri's music being outshone by Mozart's.
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Old 2012-08-14, 17:37   Link #308
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Personality; in the film Amadeus, Mozart was a rude, obnoxious genius who rubbed the more refined but less talented Salieri up the wrong way. At the end of his life Salieri confessed to having murdered Mozart. (He almost certainly didn't but that's beside the point).
Ah then the reference was to the last episode and not to what's coming next. After all Mitsuhide already did confess to having killed Nobunaga, right?
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Old 2012-08-15, 15:36   Link #309
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Oda absolutely want to go back to his time to find Akechi? and / or conquer the world of Sengoku era as was expected?
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Old 2012-08-16, 12:58   Link #310
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Sengoku (Present) 20 - All The Men and Women, Merely Players

When last I saw this story play out, Hidaka's Hideyoshi and Toyoguchi's Nobunaga's almost romantic relationship triggered the murderous tendencies of Kitamura's Mitsuhide. But this time, the story is different. It's focusing on Mitsuhide. It's said that the story is most sympathetic to whoever the camera is turning its focus on, and that holds here. Even if Nobunaga had good intentions, Mitsuhide's inferiority complex was tough to watch. Again, excellent work by Yoko Hikasa, and all the cast members from previous episodes who returned.

This Sengoku World lacks the naturalistic feel of Nobuna's, or the world out of sync of Otome. It's a parallel world in every sense of the word, a wonderland where the architecture is more about concepts than physical structure. It fits with the tone the show has been going for. A slightly mysterious, fantasy place. Where Honooji isn't just a temple, but a massive pillar of flame that shoots into the sky.

That makes two people who have rejected having their treasures taken. And while Mitsuhide is no longer in focus, she's on the run. (Also like Masamune.) It is through the eyes of others that the story will conclude. And tying it all together was the wonderful, classical background music that gave the episode a dignified air. This show will stand as one of my all time favorites if it keeps this up.
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Old 2012-08-16, 13:19   Link #311
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Old 2012-08-16, 15:43   Link #312
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yes the background music are those of the Mozart ect ? and therefore it is the incident that caused all Honnuji his is lying on his whole kingdom and then taken him throughout the world today I understand everything ...
Beautiful episode

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Old 2012-08-16, 21:38   Link #313
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this week ep.20 explain more what happen with sorta feel take a page of other sengoku series aka otome still missing talking dog & yep more to go.

Mitsuhide wake up from her dream & run away.
Ranmaru search for Mitsuhide while meet Nobunaga explain what happen.
Mitsuhide now remember cue big flashback of what happen.
give during with Mitsuhide don't have a treasure at that time.
during with Mitsuhide & Nobunaga got some issues.
then til Hideyoshi got her treasure cue depress sad confuse Mitsuhide.
to the point she growing her own treasure give dark side version.
then it keep point where got jealous due to Nobunaga with Hideyoshi & everything.
cue gun shot to make the Incident at Honnou-ji which turns travel to modern world.
after flashback Mitsuhide meet tea master Rikyu then Nobunaga is alive.
enter Nobunaga get Mitsuhide's treasure cue 3 miko.
but denied Mitsuhide said not yet & escape.

so i guess how it all happen yet continued to another story cause next ep another fresh character.
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Old 2012-08-16, 22:16   Link #314
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When are we going to see her knowing that she also wants to kill Oda ...
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Old 2012-08-16, 22:41   Link #315
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Episode 20


It's funny how much yuri is implicit in this episode

I think we have a new champion.

Like...

Mitsuhide likes Nobunaga.
Nobunaga starts liking Hideyoshi more, and that makes Mitsuhide mad.
(love triangle)

But in real, Nobunaga likes Mitsuhide more, and wants to be by her side in the end...
but is a frigging tsundere and prefer to hide that from her.

Then, like a mad cheated girfriend, Mitsuhide put fire in everything, but something goes wrong and ends up killing Nobunaga.

When they encounter each other again, Mitsuhide says:

"It was my fault, my body is ready(only for you)"

But also goes all tsundere, changes her mind and run away.

And Rikyuu enters in the middle and says she could die for Mitsuhide.
(a love square now)

Well, kinda interesting way to tell Sengoku history...


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I found this pic with the movie reference of each episode for now
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Thanks for sharing \o

I need to translate it somehow...

Now I know the best episode(18) is based on Dancer in the Dark.

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this week ep.20 explain more what happen with sorta feel take a page of other sengoku series aka otome still missing talking dog & yep more to go.
I'm still missing the Potato Chip Guy, I have a feeling he'll make an amazing comeback someday.

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Old 2012-08-16, 23:40   Link #316
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Episode 20


It's funny how much yuri is implicit in this episode

I think we have a new champion.

Like...

Mitsuhide likes Nobunaga.
Nobunaga starts liking Hideyoshi more, and that makes Mitsuhide mad.
(love triangle)

But in real, Nobunaga likes Mitsuhide more, and wants to be by her side in the end...
but is a frigging tsundere and prefer to hide that from her.

Then, like a mad cheated girfriend, Mitsuhide put fire in everything, but something goes wrong and ends up killing Nobunaga.

When they encounter each other again, Mitsuhide says:

"It was my fault, my body is ready(only for you)"

But also goes all tsundere, changes her mind and run away.

And Rikyuu enters in the middle and says she could die for Mitsuhide.
(a love square now)

Well, kinda interesting way to tell Sengoku history...
yes but explain to jealousy then it's like Sengoku Otome (Akechi was so jealous Hideyoshi that she prefers believing that there kill Oda Hideyoshi liked it more) Sengoku Collection for the way you explained so well is the same ....... jealousy .....

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Old 2012-08-17, 14:24   Link #317
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Is there enough episodes for Mitsuhide to return?
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Old 2012-08-17, 15:42   Link #318
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I do not know I think so ... Finally, I hope
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Old 2012-08-17, 16:04   Link #319
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Is there enough episodes for Mitsuhide to return?
5 more I think... they can use her two conclude the show in the last 1-2 episodes.
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Old 2012-08-17, 22:06   Link #320
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For sure we will review it as Akechi and Nobunaga are really related and especially between Them is not complete so ...
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