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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 13 Rating
Perfect 10 49 39.20%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 31 24.80%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 26 20.80%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 10.40%
6 out of 10 : Average 6 4.80%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2011-12-27, 23:16   Link #161
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yeah, pretty much how i'd imagined it

pity that there wasn't much descriptions for the anime-only watchers. They probably thought that it's just a few generic dead bodies instead of Art
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Old 2011-12-27, 23:23   Link #162
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yeah, pretty much how i'd imagined it

pity that there wasn't much descriptions for the anime-only watchers. They probably thought that it's just a few generic dead bodies instead of Art
Oh, come on. Guro is art now?

Art for a small minority and disturbing for all the rest.
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Old 2011-12-28, 00:27   Link #163
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Oh, come on. Guro is art now?

Art for a small minority and disturbing for all the rest.
How dare you insult Ryuunosuke's art? Are you even human?!

Well gores in manga doesn't horrify me because it's in black and white and static, but if it is animated in full colours and screams, then yes, I might get nightmares from that Maybe ufotable will take a step further than the manga when concerning the gores.
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Old 2011-12-28, 01:03   Link #164
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Oh, come on. Guro is art now?

Art for a small minority and disturbing for all the rest.
Art, not pop. As any form of art it is hard for the masses to appreciate, and need popularized off-shots, like Hollywood films for cinema.
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Old 2011-12-28, 03:07   Link #165
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Art, not pop. As any form of art it is hard for the masses to appreciate, and need popularized off-shots, like Hollywood films for cinema.
Indeed. Only a select few can comprehend true beauty and harmony. To the vast majority of philistines beauty is nothing but a target for destruction.

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Oh, come on. Guro is art now?

Art for a small minority and disturbing for all the rest.
Gore and violent imagery is art if it's meant to elicit an emotional response. Often it's point is in being disturbing to the audience.

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Old 2011-12-28, 23:43   Link #166
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If Saber's hand was healed she could probably annihilate that entire summon with Caster. Excalibur is an anti-castle NP after all.
What are you basing that on?

Her hand is like that because she lost to Lancer, fair and square.

She is not the strongest servant, never has been. She just has "Main Character" powers.

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Old 2011-12-29, 00:02   Link #167
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Indeed. Only a select few can comprehend true beauty and harmony. To the vast majority of philistines beauty is nothing but a target for destruction.

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Nice idea, I was wondering with what to replace Astaroth@Haganai in Facebook, and Cater/Zero seems to reflect my avatar there (nonetheless as an avatar) perfectly

Now on the subject, the vast majority of philistines begin by ignoring and discarding, move to being annoyed and try to counter, to inevitably end up burning and destroying... it is the philosophical basis of their fundamental societal structures that manifest as theology and abrahamic-imposed morality.

Thus implyeth Caster, if I take out of the last episode's context
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Old 2011-12-29, 00:27   Link #168
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What are you basing that on?

Her hand is like that because she lost to Lancer, fair and square.

She is not the strongest servant, never has been. She just has "Main Character" powers.

This is true, she's no longer the main character in Hollow Ataraxia and all plot armors fade away.

Saber is the strongest class overall (by stats), but Arthuria is not the strongest Servant.
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Old 2011-12-29, 10:34   Link #169
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This is true, she's no longer the main character in Hollow Ataraxia and all plot armors fade away.

Saber is the strongest class overall (by stats), but Arthuria is not the strongest Servant.
You know, I have wondered about that. Isn't Berserker the strongest class stats wise? Obviously using Berserker is incredibly dangerous, but it still stands.
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Old 2011-12-29, 12:11   Link #170
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What are you basing that on?
Excalibur is an A++ anti-fortress NP, that's what he's basing that on

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Her hand is like that because she lost to Lancer, fair and square.

She is not the strongest servant, never has been. She just has "Main Character" powers.

and that has absolutely nothing to do with what he said...
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:07   Link #171
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She is not the strongest servant, never has been. She just has "Main Character" powers.

That's funny because I personally hold the opposite opinion: That she is the strongest servant but is always held back due to plot demands (By either lacking a good master or lacking Avalon).
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:10   Link #172
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That's funny because I personally hold the opposite opinion: That she is the strongest servant but is always held back due to plot demands (By either lacking a good master or lacking Avalon).
Strongest Servant is serious Gil, this is straight form Nasu the Overgod of Type-Moon Universe
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:22   Link #173
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Citation needed. DX
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:26   Link #174
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Citation needed.
i don't have it, go ask in the game discussion.
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:28   Link #175
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Spoiler for I don't think it counts as a spoiler since we all know Gil is hax by now, but:
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:34   Link #176
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I think what Haak was saying was that Saber + Avalon could beat Gil, which is arguably true.
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Old 2011-12-29, 14:47   Link #177
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Anyway, I never got round to giving my impressions on this episode.

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First of all, comparing F/Z with Rakkyou is baseless, not only the adaption had different format (26x20-minute TV episodes vs. 8 variable length movies), and most importantly different structure (linear vs. unordered chronologically) and scope (10-15 main characters vs. 2 developed through 5 antagonists).
I can't believe the pacing of KnK was compared favourable to Fate Zero. The pacing of KnK is freaking atrocious! Well each film had decent pacing (except for the first film) but as an entire series...

It's not the pacing that makes the dialogue the problem. It's simply a matter of perspective. Some guys simply want a little less conversation and a little more action. Imo I think they wouldn't have a problem with the dialogue if they were as invested in the characters as we are to begin with. I can't be entirely sure but it wouldn't surprise me if all those that consider the dialogue excessive haven't played the game or aren't type moon fans. So it's only natural really.

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Also it might be the censoring, but deRais and Uryuu are very simplistic as villains. Nitro+ and Gen have written way better insane, controversial, and antipathetic characters... for 2011 examples... Kyubee and Moeka. Still I find it also simplistic to be in the center of bad criticism because they are "evil", instead of not being well written.
When i first read Uryuu, I found him pretty generic too but deRais being obsessed with Saber kinda put a good spin on it and I actually found their psychobabble this episode kind of interesting (in a messed up kind a way). Plus there was a certain "musical instrument" scene in the LN that I'm actually glad got censored...

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Rin's episode was totally out of place, and the only thing it managed was to make Uryuu more ridiculous.
I'm going to officially consider it the "KnK Fairytale moment" of Fate/Zero.
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Old 2011-12-29, 15:29   Link #178
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I think what Haak was saying was that Saber + Avalon could beat Gil, which is arguably true.
It really depends if Gilgamesh can access or not to his full Ea output in power (which as we saw in Ataraxia, is very impressive and nothing like he did in Fate Stay Night, when he was serious out of a whim aka the plot allows him to be). Let's not forget that even if Saber can use Avalon, she has limits in using Excalibur to attack. Under Rin who has more prana than say, Shirou or Kiritsugu, she could only use it twice (this was before Rin also got into a 'contract' with Shirou in UBW) without going immediately bye-bye. Also, IIRC, she can't attack from within Avalon, she has to emerge from it. It's not as if she can spam like Gil seemly does. Anyway, we're getting out topic but all Servants are shafted somehow. Saber's not a special snowflake

Iskandar has Waver as Master who can't provide him all the prana he needs.
Zero Berserker gets Kariya. 'Nuff said. Just think about that for a moment.
Diarmuid has issues with his Master(s) in different ways but we can't discuss due to spoilers.
Gilles is spending the time of his life with Uryuu, but his summon was really awful and didn't provide him the best stats.
Cu Chulainn is arguably the most affected to go at full potential... You know why, he's not allowed to fight at his full potential, he's affected by many geis and constantly trolled by Kotomine who lowered his real stats.
Medea can't use her EX Noble Phantasm either.
Herakles would have fared better if he wasn't a Berserker (Archer Herakles anyone?).
Medusa has worst issues with prana than Saber when she's stuck with Shinji.
Kojiro's lacking a NP, but his technique is ridiculously strong.
Zero Assassin was being used as mere cannon fodder.

I am forgetting anyone?
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Old 2011-12-29, 15:36   Link #179
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