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Seishiro · 2004-04-05, 16:10

I can't keep downloading tokyo underground eps 17-19...

harudasakurada · 2004-04-05, 16:29

It seems like more than just Anime-Empire is down; I'd like to know what's going on, too...

***GHDpro*** · 2004-04-05, 17:36

Right after you posted your thread I noticed something very weird happening on
the side of AnimeSuki's backend server which is retrieving the info from all the trackers.

It was reporting that practically no-one was downloading at all from the Scarywater,
AnimeSuki and Ani-Kraze trackers (and possibly more that I haven't noticed).

The odd thing was that it didn't report them to be down: the trackers themselves (and
that was including AnimeSuki's own tracker) simply reported there was no-one downloading.

For a couple of minutes I stayed confused at what the hell was going on -- I had just
uploaded all scripts of the back end site again fresh -- had a bug crept it?

My current theory is different. The server on which the AnimeSuki and the Scarywater
tracker are hosted have on thing in common: they're both hosted at ThePlanet/ServerMatrix.
(they're a web server provider)

I think that due to a DoS attack on possibly Scarywater (or one other tracker hosted on
port 6969 in the same network) has caused the admins of ThePlanet/ServerMatrix to block
all traffic to port 6969.

This would explain why no-one can at the moment contact these trackers and download
from them AND it would explain why AnimeSuki itself can still access them -- access from
within the same network isn't blocked. As the trackers can't be accessed but are still operational,
they're now reporting that simply no-one is downloading to AnimeSuki.

When will this status resolve? I don't know. If my theory is correct I just hope that the
block will be lifted very soon -- what happens now can be deadly for torrents which were
already poorly seeded.

Well, that's just my 2cts on the current situation.

Edit: (from IRC)
[15:36] <mxs> the Scarywater tracker is experiencing difficulties right now.
Working on fixing it as fast as I can -- but it's out of my control
[15:36] <mxs> (port 6969 incoming has been blocked by the colo provider)

Edit 2:
Please note that it's out of my and mxs's control what is happening here.
Plus the server provider must have their own reasons too -- blame whoever
caused them to force to block port 6969 (and we can only dread the reasons).

JustAnotherFan · 2004-04-05, 18:05

FYI: The Fullmetal Alchemist 26 torrent uses another port and should work fine, even when the other torrents still can't connect.

mxs · 2004-04-05, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHDpro

Well, that's just my 2cts on the current situation.

Edit: (from IRC)
[15:36] <mxs> the Scarywater tracker is experiencing difficulties right now. Working on fixing it as fast as I can -- but it's out of my control
[15:36] <mxs> (port 6969 incoming has been blocked by the colo provider)

Unfortunately, your theory was wrong. theplanet is VERY quiet on the issue, but when I called, they said (and I quote) "it is highly unlikely that his port will ever be unblocked", citing some kind of "security problem". Believe it or not, but that's all I got; waiting on an update on the support ticket right now, but no explanation has been forthcoming.
I will try calling again, as I have now waited another two hours without any update, and frankly, that's just plain unprofessional behavior. Would-be dedicated server customers beware : ThePlanet/ServerMatrix is not a good bet.

ttyl,
mxs

***GHDpro*** · 2004-04-05, 18:22

Let's just hope the guy you spoke to was just mis-informed and sort of making
things up. But uh... that would mean unpreoffessional behavior regardless.

PocariSweat · 2004-04-05, 18:27

Well, at least the trackers can use another port, but people would have to fiddle with or re-download the torrent files. The real problem would be if the coloc just started blocking any ports the tracker started using (of course the tracker *could* just use port 80 which would give them a bit of a problem

)

***GHDpro*** · 2004-04-05, 18:41

Exactly. Or well that are mxs's thoughts.

The thing is we could move ports forever, but that might lead them to take
the other solution to stop BitTorrent trackers (if they really have issues with
BitTorrent trackers in their network): pull the server (ie. cancel the contract).

And that would really cause problems obviously

uzmynem · 2004-04-05, 19:05

yeh man this is some serious shit, I hope its only temporary or else naruto and all those other good episodes will be no more, save for jubei-chan which is actually working really well.....

Kasshin · 2004-04-05, 19:17

Some group has released licensed anime on IRC. No torrents for now.

Lill · 2004-04-05, 19:36

Server News
04/05/2004
The tracker is unreachable right now. The ISP seems to have blocked incoming port 6969, for whatever reason. Trying to figure out a solution; please be patient.

UPDATE : The ISP (servermatrix/theplanet, if you need to know) has decided that port 6969 is a security risk and have therefore blocked it on their network border. No further explanation was given, even after asking specifically.

Well, I guess that explains something. Question is...what now -_-

PocariSweat · 2004-04-05, 19:51

Yes, the real danger is they'd make running a tracker against their terms of service. However, that could backfire as BT is starting to take off as a general way to distribute large files. I know game companies are looking at it for demos. It could become as common as HTTP and FTP eventually.

Really, as good as it is to have a server like scarywater willing to run a mega-tracker everyone uses, it might be better if all the eggs weren't in the same BT basket.
All I can think is it's DDoS attacks on the servers that's causing the colocs to consider the port somehow a "security risk". Otherwise it's a bit of a silly statement - port numbers are just a convention and one is no more "risky" than another. If that's the case, it's a lot easier to DDoS one big tracker than a bunch of smaller ones.

***GHDpro*** · 2004-04-05, 19:59

Current plan is to move the trackers to port 443. Since they are a web
server provider, it would be very stupid of them to block that port.

Port 443 = https (needed for secure sites like online stores)

Lill · 2004-04-05, 20:18

mhm, Good luck on that. Oh will that eventually be available animesuki.com/torrents.php? If, nothing goes wrong that is.

A Lamer · 2004-04-05, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHDpro

Current plan is to move the trackers to port 443. Since they are a web
server provider, it would be very stupid of them to block that port.

Port 443 = https (needed for secure sites like online stores)

Would azureus have any problems with that? Its supposed to forward all torrent uploads/downloads to a single port, but I have no idea if thats within a reletively large range, or if its for ALL ports.

Green² · 2004-04-05, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHDpro

Current plan is to move the trackers to port 443. Since they are a web
server provider, it would be very stupid of them to block that port.

Port 443 = https (needed for secure sites like online stores)

Assuming that this port block was due to some form of DoS attack, what would be the likely course of action that the service provider would take should port 443 be targeted for DoS?

fujisawa · 2004-04-05, 20:27

Well, if anything, if enough people work for it, they will end up working again. This sounds a little like the attack on Mircx a while ago...seems someone(s) out there REALLY don't like anime.

mxs · 2004-04-05, 21:00

Replying to myself, but what the heck ...

No answer from them is coming, so I'm starting to move all torrents to announce on port 443. Everyone will have to redownload their .torrents, sorry -- You know whom to blame.

And there I was, thinking of actually sleeping tonight. Silly me.

Kiro · 2004-04-05, 21:02

about fma ep 26. i'd really like to watch it and someone said, that messing around with the torrent files can help. what do i have to do to get around that port-block and be able to download fma?

edit: oops. posted at the same time. i guess, i'll just wait. thx for your effort!

Soyokaze · 2004-04-05, 21:12

ummm, you mean modify all torrents? isn't that like a lot of torrents? would ppl already in the tracker lose connection? and have to download the new .torrent file?

2004-04-05, 16:10	Link #1
Seishiro Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003	Problems with Scarywater, AnimeSuki, Ani-Kraze torrents I can't keep downloading tokyo underground eps 17-19...

2004-04-05, 16:29	Link #2
harudasakurada Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 25	It seems like more than just Anime-Empire is down; I'd like to know what's going on, too... __________________ "Imagine that, the body - in all its delicious detail - fading away leaving a skeleton with iron legs." Alba Bewick, ZOO Anime Blog!

2004-04-05, 17:36	Link #3
*GHDpro* Administrator AnimeSuki Site Staff Moderator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 34	Right after you posted your thread I noticed something very weird happening on the side of AnimeSuki's backend server which is retrieving the info from all the trackers. It was reporting that practically no-one was downloading at all from the Scarywater, AnimeSuki and Ani-Kraze trackers (and possibly more that I haven't noticed). The odd thing was that it didn't report them to be down: the trackers themselves (and that was including AnimeSuki's own tracker) simply reported there was no-one downloading. For a couple of minutes I stayed confused at what the hell was going on -- I had just uploaded all scripts of the back end site again fresh -- had a bug crept it? My current theory is different. The server on which the AnimeSuki and the Scarywater tracker are hosted have on thing in common: they're both hosted at ThePlanet/ServerMatrix. (they're a web server provider) I think that due to a DoS attack on possibly Scarywater (or one other tracker hosted on port 6969 in the same network) has caused the admins of ThePlanet/ServerMatrix to block all traffic to port 6969. This would explain why no-one can at the moment contact these trackers and download from them AND it would explain why AnimeSuki itself can still access them -- access from within the same network isn't blocked. As the trackers can't be accessed but are still operational, they're now reporting that simply no-one is downloading to AnimeSuki. When will this status resolve? I don't know. If my theory is correct I just hope that the block will be lifted very soon -- what happens now can be deadly for torrents which were already poorly seeded. Well, that's just my 2cts on the current situation. Edit: (from IRC) [15:36] <mxs> the Scarywater tracker is experiencing difficulties right now. Working on fixing it as fast as I can -- but it's out of my control [15:36] <mxs> (port 6969 incoming has been blocked by the colo provider) Edit 2: Please note that it's out of my and mxs's control what is happening here. Plus the server provider must have their own reasons too -- blame whoever caused them to force to block port 6969 (and we can only dread the reasons). Last edited by GHDpro; 2004-04-05 at 18:11.

2004-04-05, 18:05	Link #4
JustAnotherFan /(bb\|[^b]{2})/ Join Date: Nov 2003	FYI: The Fullmetal Alchemist 26 torrent uses another port and should work fine, even when the other torrents still can't connect. __________________ #AnimeSuki IRC channel: #AnimeSuki@irc.synirc.net

2004-04-05, 19:17	Link #10
Kasshin Kasshin X Kasshin Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC	I knew what you were talking about just by the group and numbers. Some group has released licensed anime on IRC. No torrents for now. __________________ Remember to leave your BitTorrent windows open. : ) Last edited by NoSanninWa; 2004-04-05 at 23:36.

2004-04-05, 18:22	Link #6
*GHDpro* Administrator AnimeSuki Site Staff Moderator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 34	Let's just hope the guy you spoke to was just mis-informed and sort of making things up. But uh... that would mean unpreoffessional behavior regardless.

2004-04-05, 18:27	Link #7
PocariSweat ポカリが？どんな動物ですか？ Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: あんたの頭の中	Well, at least the trackers can use another port, but people would have to fiddle with or re-download the torrent files. The real problem would be if the coloc just started blocking any ports the tracker started using (of course the tracker could just use port 80 which would give them a bit of a problem )

2004-04-05, 18:41	Link #8
*GHDpro* Administrator AnimeSuki Site Staff Moderator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 34	Exactly. Or well that are mxs's thoughts. The thing is we could move ports forever, but that might lead them to take the other solution to stop BitTorrent trackers (if they really have issues with BitTorrent trackers in their network): pull the server (ie. cancel the contract). And that would really cause problems obviously

2004-04-05, 19:05	Link #9
uzmynem Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: holland MI and geneve Suisse Age: 28	yeh man this is some serious shit, I hope its only temporary or else naruto and all those other good episodes will be no more, save for jubei-chan which is actually working really well.....

2004-04-05, 19:36	Link #11
Lill Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 27	Server News 04/05/2004 The tracker is unreachable right now. The ISP seems to have blocked incoming port 6969, for whatever reason. Trying to figure out a solution; please be patient. UPDATE : The ISP (servermatrix/theplanet, if you need to know) has decided that port 6969 is a security risk and have therefore blocked it on their network border. No further explanation was given, even after asking specifically. Well, I guess that explains something. Question is...what now -_-

2004-04-05, 19:51	Link #12
PocariSweat ポカリが？どんな動物ですか？ Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: あんたの頭の中	Yes, the real danger is they'd make running a tracker against their terms of service. However, that could backfire as BT is starting to take off as a general way to distribute large files. I know game companies are looking at it for demos. It could become as common as HTTP and FTP eventually. Really, as good as it is to have a server like scarywater willing to run a mega-tracker everyone uses, it might be better if all the eggs weren't in the same BT basket. All I can think is it's DDoS attacks on the servers that's causing the colocs to consider the port somehow a "security risk". Otherwise it's a bit of a silly statement - port numbers are just a convention and one is no more "risky" than another. If that's the case, it's a lot easier to DDoS one big tracker than a bunch of smaller ones.

2004-04-05, 19:59	Link #13
*GHDpro* Administrator AnimeSuki Site Staff Moderator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 34	Current plan is to move the trackers to port 443. Since they are a web server provider, it would be very stupid of them to block that port. Port 443 = https (needed for secure sites like online stores)

2004-04-05, 20:18	Link #14
Lill Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 27	mhm, Good luck on that. Oh will that eventually be available animesuki.com/torrents.php? If, nothing goes wrong that is.

2004-04-05, 20:27	Link #17
fujisawa Reindeer King Join Date: Mar 2004	Well, if anything, if enough people work for it, they will end up working again. This sounds a little like the attack on Mircx a while ago...seems someone(s) out there REALLY don't like anime.

2004-04-05, 21:00	Link #18
mxs that guy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Germany	Replying to myself, but what the heck ... No answer from them is coming, so I'm starting to move all torrents to announce on port 443. Everyone will have to redownload their .torrents, sorry -- You know whom to blame. And there I was, thinking of actually sleeping tonight. Silly me. __________________ http://a.scarywater.net/

2004-04-05, 21:02	Link #19
Kiro chocolate overdose Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Germany/Berlin Age: 30	about fma ep 26. i'd really like to watch it and someone said, that messing around with the torrent files can help. what do i have to do to get around that port-block and be able to download fma? edit: oops. posted at the same time. i guess, i'll just wait. thx for your effort!

2004-04-05, 21:12	Link #20
Soyokaze ACE Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere in the Grand Line Age: 29	ummm, you mean modify all torrents? isn't that like a lot of torrents? would ppl already in the tracker lose connection? and have to download the new .torrent file?